Community Designed Sci-Fi Suit...You make the call
Slosh
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***I have changed the title of the post to be more descriptive. I want to appeal to the masses by getting you to do the design work for me, and I do the modeling and texturing. Sound lazy? Not really. How many times have you bought an outfit only to think, "I wish I could have suggested something here, because this is nearly perfect but I wish it could have ________." So, my new concept is I make what you want, not what I want. Sure, I could design a suit that I think is cool and put it on the market, but I wanted to give this concept a try. The rest of this post is from my original post, so it may be confusing like I am not sure what I am doing. Not the case, just wanted to do things a different way.
I have an idea, one that, to my knowledge, has not been done so far. I recently decided that I wanted to design a SciFi Suit for the male characters in Genesis. There are a few good ones out there already, but mostly they are abundant for the female characters.
So, knowing that I needed a base to start with, I modeled a bodysuit for Genesis, shown in the attached image. This is where I got stuck. I, with my limited SciFi imagination, could not think what to do next. I looked at other scifi suits, took a couple of days to daydream and imagine some things, but really ended up empty handed. The few things I tried just seemed repetitive of most of the other suits, and frankly left me bored.
This is where my new concept comes in. In my next post, I will put pictures of the front and back of the current body suit. I want to design something that the masses would find useful and interesting. I invite you to use these renders and maybe sketch in some ideas for a scifi suit that you would like to see available for the Genesis male figures. I will leave these images up for some time and try to incorporate as many of the ideas and suggestions as possible into the final product(s). Please suggest details, color schemes, material zones, whatever you wish to see in the scifi suit.
So what's in it for you? Well, anyone whose idea is used in the final product will receive a copy of the product as a thanks for your contributions. I honestly don't have an ETA on this, since I do have a day job and RL responsibilities, but I am serious about making this bodysuit.
As it stands, I have material zones set up, but they can be changed. I have zones for legs, briefs, sleeveless top, short sleeved top, and long sleeved top. The straps on the feet don't have to stay, they were just an idea. I will also consider making boots, belt(s), backpacks, masks, helmets, guns, etc. as suggested.
The image in this post is the plain bodysuit with the Hardcore Utility Shader "Green Nylon" applied.
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Here are the front and back images that you can modify for ideas. If anyone needs a different angle rendered, or some other change to these images, let me know. I have the scene saved and will modify as needed.
Thanks for looking, and I hope I can come up with something great for all involved!!!
Wow, I wish I could make a bodysuit like that.
To answer your question, it depends on what the sci fi suit is for. Will it be for combat? Dailywear? Maintenance? Dress uniform? Casual? Formal?
After you that then ask what style of sci fi. Like Dystopian, Post Apacolyptic, Retro(70s-80s), Pulp(40s-50s), Modern, Superhero.
I'd google images for sci fi clothes or something and see anything that may inspire you.
I did Google, and I liked some things I saw, but nothing jumped out at me. As you have pointed out, there are so many subgenres that make it difficult. Which is why I have gone this route. I am open to any of those ideas. I may even produce more than one suit, depends on the amount of interest and variety of suggestions.
Pockets everywhere. All of the pockets. For when you just have to have that Liefeld!look.
I kid, I kid.
I personally would like to see a helmet that protects the face with a glass front (and a spherical one with glass all around), rather like an astronaut's helmet or hazmat suit, only more sleek and sci-fi, maybe along the lines of this. There are so few options out there that look like they're for exploration or working with hazardous materials rather than combat. And on that note, maybe a face shield similar to the sort of thing you can find a welder wearing, only with a more futuristic twist. I'd love some heavy industrial work or biohazardous research-looking addons. They're impossible to find.
I know a lot of peopel are looking for sci fi uniforms over at the PC forum I'll see if they can come over to help with some ideas.
If we get Pockets I would like to suggest one little thing not many do. Morphs on them so we can have Something in the Pocket. Pretty please.
Body suits are very versitile so you definately want as many material zones as you can concieve of. The ones you have listed are good but maybe think even more.
Bodysuits are good for bathing suits, for wet suits, leotards, and the like. (yes even for males) So if you want my opinion on material zones.
starting at the neck, round neck, v neck,
Sleeves Long sleeves (to the wrist) short sleeves (to elbows) short short sleeves (just about mid bicep) then no sleeves.
Torso Half top (bares midrif) - 3/4 top (just above the belly button) then long top.
Pants area (bathing suit) then mini shorts, then knee length, capri, then pants
But that's my wishlist for material zones lol
Jen
I get an empty page following that link, Agent. Helmets and face masks are a must, I agree. Would be interesting to make a morphing helmet that can be any/all of these. Something for me to think about, for sure.
That would be great, Angel. I want lots of ideas, and hopefully some sketches, too.
Such a simple, but very useful request. I think so many people miss such things. I have a pillow I made for a motel set I am making that actually has some morphs in it for the head impressions. The bed has body impression morphs, too.
Body suits are very versitile so you definately want as many material zones as you can concieve of. The ones you have listed are good but maybe think even more.
Bodysuits are good for bathing suits, for wet suits, leotards, and the like. (yes even for males) So if you want my opinion on material zones.
starting at the neck, round neck, v neck,
Sleeves Long sleeves (to the wrist) short sleeves (to elbows) short short sleeves (just about mid bicep) then no sleeves.
Torso Half top (bares midrif) - 3/4 top (just above the belly button) then long top.
Pants area (bathing suit) then mini shorts, then knee length, capri, then pants
But that's my wishlist for material zones lol
Jen
I know there are bodysuits out there (SuperSuit, for example) that have multiple material zones. I can't see making a bodysuit without them. The reason this one has only those I mentioned is because it is a starting point for me to make more clothes. I know that the few I have are the bare minimum for a good bodysuit. The ones you mention, that I don't already have, will make their way into the final. One thing to mention, however, is that depending on what the final look is, some of those zones might not work out. For example, if the suit has padded thighs, one would not really be able to put in a "shorts" material zone as it would cut the padding off. Same with the neck zones. Most SciFi Suits seem to have protective padding or armor on the chest.
I'm not really trying to recreate the SuperSuit with it's plethora of zones that really make using it (for me) a nightmare. There is such a thing as "too many options." It's like going to a restaurant with a 6 page menu. Ugh, just give me the chicken and veggies. Reading is for the library.
That being said, I am not at all disputing your suggestions. Maybe the multiple zones would be good for another product. Maybe for the "space suit long-john underwear", LOL.
1. Pockets
2. Abilitiy to get in and out (so fasteners, seems, or zippers implied is ok)
3. Different types of footgear
4. Belt or attachments for communications gear, weapons, odds and ends
5. Rank insignia)
6. Morphs for sleeveless/rolled up look
7. Coverall/Overalll look.
8. Reinforced areas, so places which are more prone to wear might have thicker patches, like elbows, knees etc.
1. What SereneNight said. All of it.
2. Belts, armbands of all sorts, epaulettes, insignia, cravat(s) and ties, fancy collars and cuffs, pads, armor plates, etc..., can be included as invisible material layers built on to the outside of the suit.
galactica1981 said:
Hope this list might help inspire some ideas. katfeete posted this awesome set of useful links in the Members-only section and let me repost the list here. The majority of links are from katfeete unless otherwise noted. Also, I'll add in the additional links from the thread.
For Genesis**
GIS*
Supersuit and the Supersuit Boots and Belt*
Space Age Behemoth
Marauders* (armor)
Galactic Corps Defender (armor/spacesuit)
The Time Traveller
Creation Engineer
G.O.D. Bodysuit (free!)
Suggested by scorpio64dragon:
Future Wilderness
For G4
The New Adventure V4 (the bodysuit being the useful bit, I suspect. There’s some kind of M4 expansion as well)
Complicated Eve V4
Cyberpunk M4
Spacedweller M4*
Suggested by SereneNight:
Captain Runner its for m4/h4. It is quite generic but versatile. This might not suit a female officer since the groin region is more of masculine fit.
The New Adventure Continues This is the male version of new adventures, plus I prefer the cut of the female top in this in the renders I’ve done.
Mas bodysuit by Xurge"
suggested by zigraphix:
ToolBoi Complete M4 at RDNA (pretty pricey)
M4 Air Crew Set
From Poserworld***:
- Galactic Oligarch M4
- Space Fleet Officer V4 (borderline, but with a pair of pants it could be an acceptable tunic)
- Catsuit V4
From Royloo:
- T2 Armor for M4 and V4 (free!)
- Trooper V4/M4 (armor)
From EvilInnocence:
- Security Officer M4 / V4
- Commander V4 / M4
- Admiral V4 / M4
- Lunar Research Scientist V4(stick some pants under this and it would work pretty well)
- Communications Officer(needs pants. Badly)
- Nurse V4 (FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PANTS)
- Code 51 Shirt V4 (yes, I know—but check the third promo; with the opacity map off the front it’s actually quite modest)
For G3
DE Mariner Uniforms
MOS Liberator V3 / MOS Invasion M3 (armor)
Major Cache M3 (armor)
Marauders M3 (armor)
M3 Space Suit*
M3 Sci-Fi Outfit
Orion-735 M3
Starbrigade Elite D3
DP-Colony Nyji Pack for A3
When Tomorrow Comes V3 (there’s a V4 version as well, but for some reason the cleavage on that one is much more ridiculous)
Links suggested by SereneNight:
The Scout For M3 The scout is an interesting uniform, might be useful for a dry hot planet. This is a m3 item, I would love ported to Genesis. It has a nice look, but lacks detail when rendered.
Xurge3d also has some great outfits for Vicky and Michael. AdamR has done some tremendous job of editing them to have some daz material presets.
From Poserworld***:
- Intergalactic Commander M3/V3/Apollo
- Comic Book Spaceman M3
- Space Fleet Officer M3
- Flightsuit 2005 M3/V3/D3/S3/Apollo
- M3 Fantasy Outfit
- Space Fleet Officer V3/A3 (again, a decent tunic at least)
- Scifi Officer V3
- Jade Escada V3
- V3 Scifi Suit
From Royloo:
- Trooper D3 / A3 (armor)
- JA01 (Jacket only? Probably) for A3 / M3 / V3 / D3 / S3
- JA02 Jacket, Pants, and Boots V3 (there are S3, D3, A3 and Girl versions of all three pieces too but there is a limit to my linking patience)
- Explorer Jacket V3 / A3 / D3 / M3 / S3
- EMW R-Gear M3 (there’s a V3/S3 version as well, but the girls did not rate pants)
Notes:
* indicates a PC or Value item (yay!)
** If you are using Genesis I highly, highly recommend picking up SickleYield’s Rigging and Morphing System. Aside from the increased quality of conversions for the lower two-thirds of this list, it’s amazing how much better and less, um, unprofessional outfits for the ladies look with her breast bridging morphs in place. Seriously worth your money.
*** For those that don’t know, Poserworld is a subscription site—pay a flat fee, download all you like. There’s a bunch of modern day military/medical/cop uniforms from them that I tend to rob for parts as well.
Oh boy, I hope this isn't going to sound ungrateful. I think the point of this thread is being missed. I am not merely "uninspired". I own many of the products listed above, and I have looked at every one of them, as well as some concept designs via Google. I just wanted to make something new and fresh that includes things that we all want in a SciFi bodysuit, but that may not be in many of the ones we own.
I was really hoping someone would grab the images I provided and maybe color in a cool color scheme, or maybe draw a belt on it, or some bracers or a helmet. Maybe say, "straps should go here", "I would like to see pockets down this leg", etc. Specific details that the user wants to see on his/her suit. "How about making a laser gun like this..."
The female characters have some really great scifi suits, with straps and buckles, padded areas, belts, boots, etc. But the males are pretty much limited, as in all areas of clothing.
My favorite suit, so far, is Shadowcaster by Arki and Kaleya. I want something with the same style and sleekness, but for the male characters.
Heh, doing this right now.
It is like paper dolls ^^"
If I did all that, I'd end up doing my own suit, as likely as not... Pull up one of JoeQuick's modelling base suits in Sculptris or Hex or something, and kludge it up for a few hours, and ... well, Bob's-yer-uncle, an UberSuit!
If I did all that, I'd end up doing my own suit, as likely as not... Pull up one of JoeQuick's modelling base suits in Sculptris or Hex or something, and kludge it up for a few hours, and ... well, Bob's-yer-uncle, an UberSuit!
And you definitely could do that. But not everyone knows how, or has the software to do model their own suit. I just thought this would be fun, for me and for those who would like to contribute to designing an outfit that they would like to own but can't do on their own. This way, those who contribute get it for free without having to do the work and then there is a suit available for others who are interested in owning it, or designing texture packs or what have you.
It's not for everyone, and if you believe it's a waste of your time, I understand. Who knows, it may not even happen if enough interest is not found. It was just an idea that I thought would be worth attempting. How do you know my Uncle Bob? ;-)
I like sides of body lacings, and maybe straps at the joints that join say sleeves to shirt and, across the chest to hold a tabard with interesting sockets where hoses plug in. Zippers everywhere.
Here's a space suit which is baggy, not heroic http://www.hightechscience.org/strizh_buran_spacesuit.htm but it shows straps down the chest and sockets, and the side lacings for pressurizing down the arms, torso and leg sides. Straps and buckles around the chest, the waist and the thighs, upper arms. I think those details could be adapted to the sleeker base.
It would be nice if the details could be in places for wear and aging, some wrinkles and crinkles even tears at the elbows, arms or battlescars, etc. The Shadowcaster has a corset with lacings in the back, and the surfaces look nice with the "embossing" but with the different zones I'd like to see more leathery or else more techno textures. For a helmet, I'd like to see interesting rivets or bolts to the suit, and some kind of hoses coming out the back. And yes, pockets that hold stuff, too!
Slosh, while working with renderings of your bodysuit, I think the collar of the bodysuit is way too low and restrictive, more like T-Shirt collar. Is there a way to add a high-collar or two?
Also, if I may ask why is bodysuit considered to be clothes for masses?
Even onesies aren't that tight and they weren't/aren't worn by many. Bodysuit, especially tight bodysuit, isn't very practical, IMHO, and people who aren't slim-muscled athletes would not wear it all that often, so I don't see how it would have a mass appeal.
Slosh I have the files on my drive but was in no hurry to just jump right in. A good suit needs some planning. Give your thread a bit of time, it's still very young and Weekends are the SLOW part of the forums week.
A higher collar is definitely doable. This one actually has a higher collar, but I hid it for the render.
For your second point, you make a very good case. This is precisely why I started this thread, so I will definitely take that into consideration when designing the suit. Do keep in mind, however, that in real life, sci fi suits don't even exist, so this is shear fantasy here. Yes, tight suits are impractical and not flattering on most real people, but I do like them myself.
Given enough options and ideas, there is no reason this thread has to lead to only a single outfit. A looser fitting garment, especially maybe worn as everyday clothing not designed for battle or military use, is certainly something to try. Thanks for your suggestion.
Excellent point, Jade. I just wanted to make sure I was steering it in the right direction, more of a show and less of a tell. A list of ideas is so abstract and can quickly overwhelm a suit if one tried to apply all ideas at once. Since I know this project will take some time, I am not in a big hurry for input either. I predict that most people will even forget about this thread before any substantial WIPs are presented. Once I start posting those, even more ideas will start to come in, I'm sure.
A higher collar is definitely doable. This one actually has a higher collar, but I hid it for the render.
For your second point, you make a very good case. This is precisely why I started this thread, so I will definitely take that into consideration when designing the suit. Do keep in mind, however, that in real life, sci fi suits don't even exist, so this is shear fantasy here. Yes, tight suits are impractical and not flattering on most real people, but I do like them myself.
Given enough options and ideas, there is no reason this thread has to lead to only a single outfit. A looser fitting garment, especially maybe worn as everyday clothing not designed for battle or military use, is certainly something to try. Thanks for your suggestion.
I'll need a bit of time to post WIPs but this game is more interesting than it appears at the first glance. New fashion is a blind spot of humanity, as I think, because they can't predict technological and social changes that would change both form and function of new clothes.
It's always harder to design for males but I'll try to come up with something. :)
Any outfit to be worn in space should have lots of pockets and ring fasteners... But then, I'm old school about my SF and I assume either free fall or centrifugal "gravity," unless the ship is under acceleration. ;)
I'd prefer a slightly looser fit, as well, unless this is meant to be worn under a space suit.... The wrists and ankles might fasten to keep them from riding up, but I'd expect to see wrinkles everywhere else, especially around the joints.
I'd be happy enough to mark up your image, but if this isn't the kind of outfit you're thinking of, there wouldn't be much point....
Would you be interested in integrated life support and telemetry?
Maybe it would help if you gave some sense of the sub-genre of SF you want to work with. Shiny happy Star Trek looks quite different from Aliens Space Marines or Star Wars Empire officers. Not to mention anime sources like Leiji Matsumoto's Space Battleship Yamato or Captain Harlock....
Modern military uses a flexible grid mesh to attach a variety of pockets and bags to pretty large surface as needed instead of making a separate pocket and fastener for each. Won't it be more useful?
I see the OP shows a body suit, so I'm not really sure if what I'm suggesting makes sense or is even possible with that kind of mesh, and in the context of the OP,probably not where most people would be going with the concept of a futuristic space outfit, but... Back when I first saw Star Wars as a kid, one of the many things that I liked about it was that the outfits looked believable... Why was it that up till then everyone in the future wore skin tight mylar tights or nano skirts?
Personally I think the future won't be all that different from the present... we might have smarter fabrics that can do stuff, but really I don't think it would look all that different from today... or maybe the 80s if it went really bad.
Having said that... I personally would like to see something that is believable... and perhaps has parts that can be turned on/off or morphed... like the MFD... for example, if it is a military uniform, maybe the shoulders could morph broader or more "padded" and or include epaulettes... military uniforms often have reinforced areas where badges, name, rank or unit patches can be sewn or attached. Collar and sleeve cuff morphs... covered pockets and fasteners flaps for equipment... stuff like you see on real military uniforms... but without that Starship Troopers neo-fascist look.
I think the more versatile the outfit is, the more broader the appeal... how many time does one see an outfit and think... "Cool, but too bad the collar isn't lower or less pointy"... or something like that... I've seen a lot of stuff that looks like Star Trek body suits, HALO battle suits, Logan's Run sillywear, Futurama's DOOP uniforms and assorted anime-esque 40s German military dress uniforms... I think a lot of people try to appeal to genres too specifically... the ability to tweak elements of the outfit would be cool.
Good luck.
There are no new Fashion in the Future
But I don't think it is completely right assumption. Yes, the fashion is pretty much (re)cyclical, with current trends, for example, mimicking 80s in more aspects that I'd like to, but new fashions and trends actually appear, even if often they aren't very smart. Who would predict a sagging waistline? And socks with heels? And yet they mark the time too.
Designing fashion for future is hard because fashion is driven by changes in society and technology we can't really predict and barely can project from current situation and other assumptions are barely speculations. For example, I believe that in time of crisis and economical distress, females with more voluptuous proportions are more popular than anorexic models of times of plenty. So, is this future society is currently in the time of distress or plenty?
What about aliens? Assuming that aliens exist, are we in war with them or in peace? Wartimes will bring an influence of military clothes into common fashion - everything from patterns to cuts and materials, - and military uniforms of future will be driven more by technology/function. If nanosuits are new BDU, how it will translate to the fashion for a college student?
If we are in peace, are they superior to us in any sense, so masses would like to imitate their style? Or in a cold war, when we'd mock and oppose it, highlighting the humanity? What are drastic differences between alien and human body and mind?
What about fertility of future? In new colony the fertility - and trends that highlight fertility zones on the human body - would probably be encouraged/more accepted, while in overpopupated world they won't.
What about modesty? Considered that meggins and see-through blouses already exist, but not widely acceptable yet, can we project those trends into future so man can also wear a bright fabrics, for example, instead of somber colors that considred to be "appropriately manly" now? Or the fashion is currently in a full swing back (as fashion always does) to more enclosed forms. Maybe even thanks to some recent changes or laws that prohibit some parts, such as, say, neck, to be exposed because it is "immodest".
What about conservative fashion, the one that worn by bankers and lawyers? Even now they aren't wearing Victorian suits, so it would be strange to assume that 200 years ahead they'd wear contemporary clothes or wear entirely dark tones. They'd wear a 'previous generation' style probably, but as future is so vaguelly defined, there is no content for what is "previous generation" is right now.
Robotics. If cyberimplants are common norm, how clothes would accommodate them? 'Deus Ex: Human Revolution' where protagonist can toss fire from his implants while keeping his stylish coat undamaged, designed the coat around fire-shooting holes, for example. What about transformative implants, like an arm that turns into machine gun?
What about genetical engeneering. If everybody is geneered into a perfect human shape, how people will access their sense of visual self-identity? What would be non-conformist fashion (for example, would they wear artificial fat folds)?
Or, if robots are servants and considered to be items, won't humanity's high classes highlight organic motions rather than plastics, chrome and metal to distance themselves from 'lower caste' and middle classes following them (or rather, having high fashion smoothed for mass consumption like it is going on now) while lower classes who deal with robots on the regular ground would be forced by status or functional necessity to wear more robotic-like clothes, for example, enforced to protect them from solar radiation because they live in less protected areas? Will there be sumptuary laws?
Functionality of tools and communication. Will clothes be embedded with internet and electronics from the start, so you don't need an actual computer gadgets at all and gadgets you'd wear would probably block communication for privacy rather than make it available? How zero-gravity would influence the need to reach for certain items on the human body or prevent the crumbling of bones?
Is this zeerust universe where aestetics are intentionally outdated (by current criteria)? Or maybe an intentional projection of Victorian aestetics into space technology, creating even stranger mix?
What about new materials, like bodyfoam sprays and memory fabrics? Fabrics with a power of invisibility cloaks? Mobile zippers? 'Mood ring'-like mesh that changes texture and colors depending on your mood? If we have nanosuits, can we wear very impractical clothes because we can 'fold' nanites back into slim-shape any moment the need arises?
Alternatively you can forgot those questions and just have fun making clothes :)
Just some pages you might find to help in design:
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/crewgear.php
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacesuits.php
The entire siite those two pages is on is definitely worth looking at.