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I Headr a GTX1080 and 23GB is godlike
That would ba a Quadro P6000 with 24GB of VRAM
The GTX 1080 has 8GB, the GTX 1080 ti has 11GB and the Titan Xp has 12GB of VRAM
...most of the affordable ones are through Newegg and have W10. One of the ideas of going with an older system is to avoid "Nadella's folly".
They may have windows 10 installed, but the bois should be internaly keyed to auto activate either windows 7 or 8 depending on what it shipped with from the factory. If you can get the seller to give you the service tag for the computer you would like to buy, you can look it up on Dell's website and see what the original shipping configurations was.
@JamesJAB : Buying a used workstation is a good idea in theory if you can get a good bargain
For somebody accustomed to open a computer and changing components, no problem
For the OP, I don't know. For people who don't have enough tech knowledge, it's preferable to buy a premade
With these workstations, and the presumable target of using them for games and iray there are few thing to check before :
- is there enough room for a long GFX card
- is the PSU powerfull enough?
- is the CPU appropriate for playing games ? Most Xeon have low clocked and most are not overclockable
These workstation are really a good choice for CPU rendering or building a multi-GPU render station.
ASRock X399 Gaming; H80i; I don't, the extra cash isn't worth it imo; I use an 850 pro 500GB as C drive, and a 2TB SSD for docs - not Samsung; not worth the extra really, although I was tempted. :)
...that's kind of what I am looking at one for, but more of a multi core dual CPU, high memory render station as prices for GPU cards are just too insane. True it will never be as fast as GPU rendering but better than what I am currently dealing with. 36 - 48 processor threads is a significant leap over 8 even if the base core clock speed is slower than what I currently have. It may mean 2 - 3 hours to render a scene in Iray instead of 6, but would be ridiculously fast in 3DL/Carrara. That would be more than welcome.
Several of the ones I looked at had either dual 750 W PSUs or a single 1,200 - 1,300 W unit.
The way the original post read, my impression was it would be a homebuild as those were all individual components from different vendors.
Installing an HDD, a CPU, memory, or a GPU card is not really all that difficult and there are lots of tutorials available.
...most likely it would have been W7 or 8.1 Pro (the latter for that 256 GB one I saw) considering these are Sandy Bridge or earlier refurbished systems. An OEM of either OS would be an additional 140$ - 150$.
Until MS stops treating everyone like newbies, no W10 for me.
Again, I'm not sure why you're so down on Windows 10. Yeah, I hate Windows, but honestly I don't see the problem with 10. I know you once mentioned not liking the automatic updates, but those are easily disabled by disabling the service (a few mouse clicks):
https://www.easeus.com/todo-backup-resource/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-automatically-update.html#part1
That link shows a few ways to do it. However, it can be dangerous to not automatically get updates, as we saw on Saturday when Malwarebytes caused millions of computers to lock up or crash until the update was downloaded.
And if you want remote access you can get some amazing (and free) apps that do an incredible job of allowing remote access and control over network PC's, like TeamViewer, possibly the greatest remote access app ever written.
And you can get a very cheap and legit Windows 10 license for only like $20 or something.
Oh, and I forgot to mention...
You can use a full version of Windows 10 for free...forever. You just have to put up with an occasional notification at the bottom right of your screen, which I never found to be annoying at all.
...apologies, but until they make a nice basic unobtrusive OS again, I'll stick with W7.
No need to apologize, I'm certainly not a Windows fanboy or anything, so I don't really care. It just seems like sooner or later there won't be much choice and you'll have to move to Windows 10, so why wait? And apparently the latest updates will allow you to select to disable a lot (or all ) of the telemetry/privacy stuff, not sure when that will happen though. Personally I have an app that turns off all that stuff anyway. though I'm not sure it's really necessary nowadays.
I think there are other apps that are way better for IT Pros
It's OK for non IT People
I would certainly hope so. Presumably IT "Pros" need a whole lot more features, and since they do it for a living are willing to pay big bucks for those features. I think apps like TeamViewer are written for individuals and small businesses who only need more limited features. Kind of like DAZ Studio versus some of the expensive professional apps like Maya. Designed for different user bases.
...yeah been keeping up with this over on ZD Net. Still have to hack the registry to peranently get rid of Cortana as it continues to run in background even if turned off. Just give me the old simple search function instead. Also still not thrilled about bundled updates even if in Pro Edition you can delay installation.
I've been using Classic Shell for many years so I don't have to deal with all those fancy new mobile features and desktop stuff that I despise. Classic Shell gives you the old Windows start menu and Windows Explorer options that I'm used to. Cortana is pretty much invisible. Though if you're expecting MS to suddenly come out with a new OS that doesn't receive any data whatsoever about you then I think you're dreaming. It ain't gonna happen. That data is how they get revenue. Along with Google, and Amazon, and Facebook, and Twitter, and on and on and on. Your data is out there.
...if I went to 8.1 I'd definitely use classic shell for sure. Those "live tiles" make almost me nauseous as they are so garish (I called it the "Fisher Price UI").
I sorely miss the days of advert free computing, and when ad blocking actually worked. One of the reasons I no longer enjoy going to the cinema is having to pay for watching adverts before the feature.
Best we table this particular discussion though as it becoming a tangent with no real conclusion and little bearing on the main topic of a replacement for an aging system.
kyoto Kid, it's not about them, it's about US.
We are the ones who demand free software and free operating systems. They don't care. They only care about giving us what we want. But they need revenue because that's why they exist. To make money and pay employees so the employees can pay rent. So the only way they can do both is to get us to pay in other ways. By getting our data and using it to make us buy other stuff. That's the new world.
And that ain't gonna change anytime soon. We are less and less willing to buy software, so most software developers need to provide all those months and years of development work for free, and find other ways to make us pay.
But we will pay. And it's our fault.
...I'd rather pay for an OS that did what is is supposed to do without all the extra "fluff" than one that is "free" but with strings attached. Done so in the past. I have no inclination to purchase anything all that advert spam keeps throwing at me as I am on an extremely tight budget due to being on a fixed income, so they are getting no extra revenue from me (other the say 150$ or 199$ I plop down for an OEM) anyway. For that particular plan, I am a losing proposition for them.
Funny, I actually bought Daz 3.0, Pro, and Carrara 8.5, and Bryce 6, and Hexagon 2.5 and Poser 6, 7, 8, Pro 2010/2012 and Paint Shop Pro when they actually had significant price tags, even for upgrade channels. Didn't get into Daz 4 Pro until it went free, not so much because of price, but the fact it wouldn't run on the 32 bit duo core notebook I was still working on at the time (the free 32 bit version frequently ran out of memory and crashed even during scene setup).
Also many pro grade software providers have been moving to subscription plans which makes it easier for them to get new customers who cannot afford put down 1,000s in a single lump sum for their products.
However, again we are drifting from the topic here (yes I am guilty as well) so let's just agree to disagree and let the thread move on.
Actually I agree with you. I much prefer the days when you buy a piece of software, own it forever, it resides on you computer, it's yours, no adverts, life was simple. But I think now many prefer to believe they're getting all this awesome free software, and just ignore all the insidious stuff going on in the background.
Maybe some day people will realize all of this internet stuff is actually more hassle than it's worth. It actually crossed my mind to totally disconnect my internet this weekend when my computers got trashed by this Malwarebytes fiasco. Who knows, a few more of those types of events and the Equifax insanity and maybe people will start changing their minds. But I'm not counting on it...
Cool...enjoy your ripper man!
Is liquid vs air cooling really an important thing? CPU cooling specifically.
No, liquid is only needed if you overclock. There's a common myth in the tech world that "cooler is better", but as long as you operate normally you're fine, and liquid cooling won't make any difference. I did a continuous render for 24 hours on my piece of junk laptop and it stayed at very safe temperatures the entire time.
Is there any point using two 8gig graphics cards rather than one 11gig graphics card?
Also is it possible to have the power supply to run at lower power when not rendering?
Would it be an idea to have thunderport 3 so you can add an external gpu too?
The power supply automatically supplies whatever power the computer needs at the time. Right now my computer is drawing 110 watts from the wall outlet (I have a meter going all the time), but when it starts rendering it ramps up to over 400watts.
As far as a Thunderport, I haven't seen any tests done using an external GPU over Thunderport, but it seems like a great idea.
And as far as two GPU's versus one, it depends on what you need. If you have big scenes and need a lot of VRAM in your GPU, then more is better. But if 8GB is fine (which it generally is for my scenes) then two GPU's is also fine.
BTW, this chart gives you relative performance of various combinations of GPU's on a benchmark Iray scene. It might help decide if one or two GPU's is better. But right now the prices of GPU's is beyond insane...
How would something like this (maybe adding more Ram when I get a chance) be? I found pretty much the same one for like $200 less a couple of places but I tend to trust the return policy for damaged stuff more at Amazon. It doesn't have the greatest CPU I seem to remember, but it does have a 1070.
Edit to Add: Would help if I left the link huh? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N5QV9MM?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-a0027-win10-other-nomod-us000-pcomp-feature-pcomp&ref=bit
...if you're going to settle on a 4core/8 thread system the 7700K would be better performance wise at 4.2 GHz (4.5GHz Turbo). Just that much more processor speed should a render job dump to the CPU.
true to a degree, but you do need to think about air temp inside the case. Water cooling a CPU makes it run cooler (obviously), while this does not increase performance (as long as temps stay below thermal throttling threshold), it does generate less heat that then dissipates inside the case. More hot air inside the case can cause other components to heatsoak and potentially start thermal throttling, CPU included.
Having a good case with good airflow helps this to a degree, but when you are like me and you have 3 large GPU's crammed in there and 6 internal hard drives, they all generate more heat inside the case, and it also affects the airflow going through the case so ambient temp inside can get quite hot, making components hit thermal throttling thresholds.
That is why i ended up buying a liquid cooler for my CPU - i dont overclock so not strictly needed as such, but under full system load ambient temp inside my case was getting extremely high, all 3 GPUs and the CPU were thermal throttling, so i bought the liquid cooler for the CPU, so that at least doesnt get near thermal throttling limits and contribute to other components getting hot. This is with a case that is designed for good air flow, and has 5 good case fans to help with that
...liquid cooling the CPU, yeah I could see that, particularly if you are primarily doing CPU rendering or other CPU intensive tasks. If you only have a single 1070, and one or two drives, not really that necessary for the GPU.
With the case I have which has 7 fans and a hefty aftermarket CPU cooler, the CPU temps generally stay in the 58C - 68C range during rendering.