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You can do it easily in that budget :)
...this scene took about five and a half hours to compete at 1,600 x 1,200 on my five year old system with a first generation 2.8 GHz 4 core/8 thread i7 and 10.7 GB of available three channel DDR3 1333 memory (after Windows and system utilities). The scene when open in Daz takes 8,9 GB of memory just in idle mode. The rendering process went into much slower swap mode (most likely what is happening on your system) as I only had 1.8 GB of physical memory available for rendering. Yeah it probably would have taklen half the time or less on a 1080 Ti, but even before the price spike, that was more than I could afford.
The fog effect is not postwork, but acutally part of the scene.
It has already been stated that it is better to have a dedicated GPU for the monitor and AMD's APU will be way superior to any Intel IGP
You wouldn't complain that Intel's IGP are not usable for Iray would you?
Seems the advice of buying prebuilt PC is good. The question would be how much do you want to spend for the monitor
https://www.newegg.com/global/fr/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABFS5NH6207&cm_re=gtx_1070_ryzen-_-9SIABFS5NH6207-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/global/fr/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABFS5NH6211&cm_re=gtx_1070_ryzen-_-9SIABFS5NH6211-_-Product
https://www.amazon.com/Flagship-Lenovo-IdeaCentre-Quad-Core-Bluetooth/dp/B076G4YVVM/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1516904860&sr=1-1&keywords=i5+gtx+1070&refinements=p_n_feature_five_browse-bin:13580790011
https://www.amazon.com/880-150t-Gaming-Desktop-i5-8400-GeForce/dp/B077MT4C5W/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1516904860&sr=1-2&keywords=i5+gtx+1070&refinements=p_n_feature_five_browse-bin:13580790011
Or, if you don't mind ebay and getting a recertified PC, this HP Omen on ebay is a really good deal (Ryzen 7 1800x, GTX 1080, 32Gb RAM for about $1,579).
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Omen-Gaming-Desktop-880-Ryzen-7-1800X-32GB-512GB-SSD-2TB-8GB-GeF-1080-5-Mon/362223523631?hash=item545634572f:g:GFYAAOSwODFaag6u
I would; the alternative really, is 32GB.
I often go over 50% RAM (have 64GB), although not often by a lot. It is expensive though. Quite simply, it allows one to do more, and if (when actually) a scene does drop to CPU, it doesn't cause issues.
I haven't had a lot of luck with ebay refurbished electronics.
The Amazon pcs are definitely worth considering, with the main problem there being I need at least 2tb harddrive as the 1tb I currently have is so full I had to delete all my games.
64gb of ram I found for about $600, mainly because it was two sets of 32gb for $299 each.
...if you are rendering on the CPU, more memory comes in handy. Yeah if you don't plan on doing do much else while rendering, or tend to create large scenes and render in large resolution format, you could go witn 32 GB but to get the efficeincy advantage of four memory channels you would need to install a 4 x 8 GB memory kit which takes up those 4 slots.
Well, using that same logic why not recommend 128GB of RAM on a dual CPU motherboard, 4 x 1080ti's and a 1200 watt power supply? Cuz that's MUCH better
Personally, the whole "drop to CPU" option is totally unacceptable, for me at least. Takes my PC 10 times as long to render using my 8 core Ryzen. I'd rather spend a little time optimizing the scene and doing a lot in post work.
...with 4 1080 Ti's yes, you probably wouldn't need 128 GB physical memory (unless you render in very large resolution format) however those 4 cards right now would run you about 5,000$ at current market prices....if you could find them. May as well go to Nvidia and buy two 16 GB Quadro P5000s and get 16 GB VRAM for rendering saving about 1,000$ in the process. Keep in mind VRAM does not pool for rendering even with the new Volta NVLink cards.
What I was suggesting was designing the system for best CPU rendering performance for now until prices for GPU cards became reasonable again. Crikey even my 5 year old 12 GB system renders much faster than the OP's failing notebook, and with the forthcoming upgrades will be just that much better. Also it is just a "suggestion", one option to consider all or in part, not telling somone this is what they should do to the letter. She sould easly go with 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) to support four memory channels which is more efficient than 2. Crikey a Threadripper 1900 with 16 threads at 4 GHz (boost) would be pretty effective paired with 32 GB and would leave my system in the dust.
The only other option to the current setup that Daz Iray and Octane have would be a total crash of the process like occurs in LuxRender. Not sure I would want that (dealt with it more than enough tmes than I wsh to count when I was working on my old 32 bit notebook to where I couldn't use either UE or Uber lights). At least the dump to CPU "failsafe" lets the process continue. For animation yes getting the shortest render times with the best quality one can achieve is extremely important (again this is why major studios have warehouse sized render farms). For single frame scenes it is definitely preferable, but not as "critical" for production purposes.
Some of us would also rather spend less time optimising and working in post as well as there still is a trade off.
Make sure that the two 32 bit sets won't each use up all of the slots on your motherboard, which would mean you could have only one installed.
..you are not the only own who has experienced difficulty with "refurbished" electronics on ebay. Even refurbished systems from Amazon are not the greatest.
Memory prices have gone up, however, when I originally built my current system I considered going with the maximum of 24 GB, until I saw the 785$ price tag. My12 GB kit (6 x 2 GB) cost me 389$. Compared to that 299$ for 32 GB (2.75 x the memory I have for 90$ less) is a deal. Memory prices today, even with the shortage, are still much lower for what you could get then they were 4 - 5 years ago.
...the second system looks to be the best value of the four (1,628 USD) however I am concerned about it having only a 500W PSU as that seems to be cutting things pretty close, and severely limits any future expansion. I wouldn't go with less than 750W as the extra overhead translates to less overall stain on the unit. The PSU is the heart of the system and if goes south, it can take the rest of the system with it. Not sure why this is being handled though a Newegg European outlet (France) when it says the system ships from the US. Was not able to find the same system offered here in the States.
ETA
OK, the link took me to their French site and for some reason reset my country slection to that for anything else I looked at. When I set it back to US I got the US price of 1,625$
Here is the US link
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABFS5NH6211&cm_re=gtx_1070_ryzen-_-9SIABFS5NH6211-_-Product
Again probably the best deal of the four though I still question the "small" PSU as it is right at the minimum edge of the recommended PSU rating for the 1070 according to the Nvidia site.
Just for comparison, my system has a Ryzen 7 1700, 64GB RAM, 4 case fans, a GTX 1070 and a GTX 1080ti, and when everything is cranking out a render the max power my computer is drawing from the wall is just under 390 watts. In fact I have a render going right now and the largest reading I see on my power meter is 387 watts. So yeah, if you want to plan for the distant future and think you might buy some more GPU's then more than 500 watts might be nice, but I think NVIDIA and other manufacturers leave a LOT of often unecessary margin when they recommend power supplies in case some users decide to stick some more GPU's and fans and lights and hard drives and cards and other peripherals in their box. With only a 1070 you'd maybe be at only 50% of the 500 watt rating, which gives you a whole lot of room.
...less load vs. capacity equates to improved longevity. The PSU is probably one of the hardest working components in a system next to the CPU. Also unlike GPU, cards memory, or CPUs, PSUs are really not all that expensive for the extra overhead.
...if they are both 2 x 16 GB (which most 32 GB kits tend to be) then they'd be OK on a Ryzen board. Intel X99 and AMD Threadripper X399 boards have 8 DIMM slots
That's like the all-too-common "less heat is better" argument/myth.
If you operate any equipment within it's continuous rating it's fine, and will last for it's "design life".Only when it gets beyond that is there a problem.
It is 2 x 16 yes.
About that last link, is the x1600 good for what I need? (Since there is a fairly good chance of it dumping onto CPU if it only has the one gpu to run everything)
And what do we think of this one?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883102271
...the Ryzen 5 1600 gives you four more CPU threads than the I7 7700K, which would come into play should the render process dump to the CPU. Both consume the the same amount of power at peak performance s that is not much of a factor.
Unless you create really epic level scenes like I do, there should be little worry of most fitting in the VRAM of a 1070. VRAM also handles file sizes differently than system memory so that railway station scene I posted last night would probably fit in 8 GB in spite of the 8.7 GB of physical memory it takes up. Of course I'm running in W7 which has an almost insignificant impact on VRAM compared to W10 which reserves 18% (for the 1070 that's 1.3 - 1.4 GB). Again, the way to get around this is either install a low end GPU card (like a 2 GB 1030 - around 90 - 95$) or use the onboard graphics chipset to drive the displays and dedicate the 1070 to rendering only, that way you will have the full 8 GB to use.
I do apologise in that I tend to be a fan of overbuilding (a trait of someone who comes from an old school "build it to last" background).
Personally I am sticking with CPU rendering for the time being until (hopefully) this cryptomining rush goes bust and prices get back to where they should be again. Maybe by then I'll have enough saved up for a 1070 (or whatever its successor is). This is also why I am upgrading to a 6 core CPU (the highest core count my MB can support) along with increasing system memory.
If you plan on using Iray, actually you shouldn't really care for the CPU unless you plan to get more than one GPU and need well chosen CPU/motherboard. Don't think about CPU rendering, it would be way slowlier. If you buy a good GPU, the goal is to use it right ? And there are many ways to optimize your scenes so that they fit the GPU memory
I recommend to get as minimal memory three times the GPU memory => 3 x 8 GB with a GTX 1070 makes it 24 GB which means 32 GB is good enough unless you plan on heavy multitasking (having DAZ + Internet browser + 2D Imaging tool + whatever tools). 64 GB is nice to have but not required
The Ryzen 1600 or 1600x are 6 core processors and are more than suitable for your needs and better for multitasking than Intel's 4 Core. Consider using more than 4 cores if you really plan on regular CPU rendering with Iray or 3delight. I personnaly consider CPU with lots of cores only for 3Delight
The computer in your link is very good and suits your needs
I wasn't sure if the AMD would work okay for the games either honestly. I only ever really hear people talking about Intel for that and while rendering is the primary focus I do need to be able to do some gaming with my fiance (he's the one buying the thing lol) Which would mostly be like Skyrim/Fallout 4/No Mans Sky/Borderlands type games.
If it does and has the ability to add a cheap GPU for monitors etc than I would be perfectly happy with that one. If not then I would need to lean towards the Intel even if it's not as good for Daz.
Also I have no problem with overbuilding I do that when I work on furniture lol. If I can afford it I would rather build for the future.
Oh heavens!
If anything slows down my Celery 440 @ 2.0GHz any more than it already is slowed down, I'll go back to pencil and paper. :P
...one thing I notice in both systems there are no top exhaust fans ,just the single rear 120 mm one. Also the link I provided apparently uses the same case from the Electrum series (older generation [DDR3 era] and smaller in size).
Here's another I found in about the same price range from IBuy power (through Newegg) It doesn't have the 240 GB SSD but includes Intel's new Optane memory boost which speeds up trasnfer rates of conventional HDDs it also has a top panel exhaust fan
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227769
One other thing is that this April AMD are releasing their Ryzen 2 CPU's and sometime this year Intel are to release their 8 Core Coffeelake CPU's.. But the main problem as always is ram prices which are really high and GPU prices which are over the top insane..
Oh I kind of like that one. I've been afraid of iBuypower for a while because of bad reviews but that was a while ago.
...the major change for Ryzen2 will primarily be increased overclock boost. Other than that no expanded core counts are expected (so no 22 or 24 core Threadripper...yet).
True, memory prices are higher than last year, however still not as bad as 5 years ago as I mentioned above. When today I could get 32 GB of memory for 90$ less than I paid to get 12 GB five years ago it is still a good deal (back then then a 32 GB kit would have been around 1,050$ - 1,100$). We just got too used to the price per GB falling over the last couple years until it bottomed out to where one could get a 128 GB four channel DDR4 kit for as low as 780$.
Would you say more cores or faster Ghz is more important? If something is 4 cores but 4.2Ghz is that better or worse than 6 cores at 3.5Ghz?
GPU and grahics cards including old ones from 5 years ago are crazy expensive right now.
The RX580 was $260 in Oct 2017. Now it's over $500. WTH?
...6 cores at a base clock of 3.2 GHz would perform better for rendering than 4 at a base clock of 4.2 as you have 4 more processor threads working on the same task Basically multiply the core/thread count by the base clock speed for the total effective performance. For example a 3.0 GHz Rizen 1700 (16 threads) has an effective total clock speed of 48 GHz while the 7440K will only have 33.6 so the 7700K falls short in spite of each individual core being clocked higher. Even the 6 core 3.2 GHz Ryzen 5 1600 will outperform the 7700K (38.2 vs. 33.6). During CPU rendering Daz Iray and 3DL will use all CPU threads availble for rendering though I'm not sure what the cap is
I also work in Carrara and there you can actually see the effect as each coloured render tile corresponds to a specific processor core/thread. So with the 6 core Xeon I will be upgrading to that would yield 12 render tiles on the screen. The Xeon has a same clock speed as the current I7 I have (2.8 GHZ) however the extra four threads give it the advantage (33.6 vs. 22.4).
..Yikes 02:20, need to turn in.