Why so many female content releases?
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I am a woman who prefers rendering men... and I’m not the only one. So I’m not really sure that all women just want to render women. I also know quite a few guys who prefer to render males.
Right, nobody knows, that's why I called it a guess. I agree the forums could have more professional users.
At which point I will be finished and they can entice some other poor slob into buying. LOL
Laurie
We need a lot more people like you;)
If you purchase Marvelous Designer 7 through Steam, it is curently on sale for $208 (USD)
The Steam version does not qualify for major version upgrade discounts, but version 7 just came out so I wouldn't expect a major update for a year or two.
(And history showed that they caved in to user demand and offered an upgrade discount for Steam users to go from v6 to v7)
I recently purchased marvelous designer but the software is unstable on my machine constantly seizes up and crashes on my computer.
Agreed... that is why these discussions seem to go in circles...
It's not a circle. I already suggested
1) Daz Originals- make more male stuff from the in-house developers. If you (Daz Originals) can give away an entire moon base for free and design a wicked women's outlander suit for $1.39, somewhere in that chain, They could have had a full tee-shirt top and voila- a men's outfit for the desert. Men's clothes can be made because your customers want it. It's got nothing to do with market overall. You go to a soda shop, they got the best selling flavor and some rare ones.
2) You don't have to create (only) male clothes. You can make you skimp wear and also make THAT outfit with a few more pieces to 'manify' it. If a vendor wants to chime in that- that is also too much work- than yeah.
Obsidian is an example. I asked for coupled clothes, a set came out and all together, it was a great package. Bought it. Maybe I'm the only one. lol
I said figures should ship with the hair (mostly that great piece from the promos. EVERYONE said it couldn't happen. I explained how it could. 1 week later, it happened and everyone raved and started sharing the renders. I bought it.
Customers said where are the black figures. Same talk again- 3 weeks later a black character was my first G8 figure purchase. That thread was nuts with hype.
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3) There's lots of things that we don't have empirical data for. But for the things we know (Male content doesn't sell that well), we also have specualtive data --- DAZ DOES THIS, DAZ does THAT, DAZ customers are -- and there you have it.
So before someone misreads what I mean. No, I'm NOT saying someone is lying but again we are mixing Vendor supplied experiences with speculation about Daz. Don't smack ideas down with guesses and inferences.
The forumites ARE NOT- I don't know, representative of the Daz customer? Another attempt to smack down opinions.
You're actully using this to suggest we are CONTRARY to the customer base, because it seems impossible that the opinions or desires COULD EVER LINE UP. It's always "No, they (in mass) don't share that stance.. etc.
I already wrote a huge piece about the different types of customers. So yeah, if you've been doing this for 12 years and have every single thing already, yeah you probably spend very little. And there's someone who's new and BUYING EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT. Sinking all they got into this new interest. And there's professionals- people who buy based on need. And hobbyists and collectors...ya ya.
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So let's bring balance to the force.
If the PROFESSIONAL is the bar for customers, lets add that bar to the PAs.
Ugh, I wonder how many PAs are professionals and the professional PAs aren't really on the forum.....
So THOSE (PAs)THAT USE THE FORUM don't represent the majority of Daz PAs so the same way forum users are not the Daz customer, the PAs active on the forum are not the average Daz Vendor. Sheesh.
And if you are a PA and making stuff(s) for the Daz store is NOT YOUR ONLY job then you are a hobbyist too and we should look at your experience(s) differently. lol
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Maybe, just maybe Daz needs to do some polls and actually send out questionaires about their business/business model, customer satisfaction, etc....
No, not on the forum- to those that are customers. Send out a mass survey and get some real metric data.
---- And before someone who doesn't actually run a business chimes in-
I know you were there about to type " Daz already has data in its sales numbers so they already know this" lol
No, they don't. Those are not the numbers you use.
I haven't seen a survey since I've been here - so that means it's overdue.
I need clothing for Jungle Book style clothing so I look forward to that.
You can't grab barbarian clothes? Some of them have loin cloths and animal skin undergarments.
Besides, you'll probably need multiple pieces or texture sets (if you don't re-shade them yourself)
I can't mention the name or link to in the forums but I can call out a Patreon software engineer with support solicitation page on Patreon I am supporting at $10 a month and right now his dynamic clothing system (created with Unity 3D by the way) only can create dresses and t-shirts and only for Genesis 3 Male and Genesis 3 Female.
We are requesting that he expand it to unclude Genesis 8 Male & Female and also give us the ability to create 'Simplicity' style clothing patterns (for those of you that ever had a mom sew with clothing from a Simplicity pattern it is basically real-life Marvelous Designer going back in concept since ancient times).
In my gallery I created and draped the last of the 3 rendered Mother Mary clothings with the results of the Pateron projects output. Trivially simply to do; I actually had more trouble creating a babuska using a DAZ Studio plane primitive than using the Patreon project dynamic clothing creation program.
It's not a program though that using DAZ Studio, Optitex, Poser, Marvelous Designer, or any other clothing models but you use it's clothing pattern templates and slightly modify them (it's very limited to how you can modify the basic patterns for now).
Like dForce itself you need a Intel CPU / GPU that is at least Gen 3 (aka supports GPU HW drivers directly DirectX 11 / openGL 4.0 / openCL 1.2) or a discrete video card instead that supports those same 3D software stacks just mentioned or newer versions of them. Performance on the older systems (like my 5 year old laptop) is slow but still orders of maginitude faster than dForce or optitex.
These decisions were made months in advance, before G8 even released so they were already in the pipeline way before anyone asked about them. So asking for something and 3 weeks later it **magically** appears is wildly inaccurate. As for the rest, economics is still in play. All those female items for sale make up for the losses that a male DAZ Original will make. Everything has a cost, so if everyone is buying female items, some of that investment can be diverted to make a male item with lower sales.
asking for something and 3 weeks later it **magically** appears is wildly inaccurate.
Please stop doing that with my posts. It's approaching the t-word at this point.
No where did I say that some vendor made a G8 character in 3 weeks. What I did say is that people ask for stuff and it's quite the irony that the SAME ITEM that was seemingly impossible/impractical to make, you know because of numbers, arrives and tons of people buy it. But I know, a huge bunch of forum posters raving about a product must mean that the real non-forum customer base did NOT buy it. Because you know, statistics. We, on the forum, are in no way representative of any sort of daz customer base. I get it.
I should mention that these are things that should be submitted as a ticket since the forum isn't the place where Daz3d does its corporate decision making.
Well DAZ 3D tries different market niches out from time to time such as the new Sakura 8 anime style character again after a long lapse between Sakura 8 and Keiko 6. If the sales aren't there the other characters of that style won't be back soon but if they exceed the women in nearly naked armour character sales you'll be seeing them nearly twice a month.
And there is nothing magical about that in the least. Customers much more numerous than the forum posters and forum visitors are deciding what they want made with their wallets. I certainly was never hired by any business just to be told, "Hey dude, we're going to have you making products the customers don't want or buy."
That's not ironic though; a vendor can say that they can't take the risk because if they miscalculate they could be in financial trouble. You're comparing that to what DAZ3D as a company releases, not the PA. Again, DAZ3D has sales from other items coming in to absorb that loss from the bundle and they can offer it a lower cost because a larger pool of people will buy it, making up for the difference. A PA doesn't have that luxury, so you can't say if DAZ3D can release a risky product so can PAs... you're talking about a company versus single person.. Even then when taking a risk, they will plan for it in advance when they won't suffer too much from loss. Honestly this simple economics.
Personally I think this "men's clothing won't sell" argument is just a vicious cycle. I can only assume, that when a PA is making a clothing item for men, s/he must already think that it won't sell, and that affects their work. So that means less details, less work and try to get some profit by doing it quick and dirty way. Poorer textures, less marketing from Daz, it all weights in. Well, surprise surprise, customers won't buy it, and the cycle continues. Men's clothing won't sell...period.
I'm not going to argue the fact that female clothing is currently selling more, but I simply refuse to believe that men's clothing won't sell. Currently it's really hard to even make a comparisons, since the quality difference between male and female clothing is so big. *IF* the quality was the same, I think clothing items for both genders would sell. Good examples are Armani, Hugo Boss etc. from the real world. They make items for both genders, and since the quality is the same, both lines sell. I don't know if their women's collections sells more, but that does not mean that men's clothing is unprofitable, and they are planning to stop making those.
* Edited because we MUST be talking about the same thing.
They have in-house vendors, which I already said earlier can - make items so DAZ (the Daz Originals brand) or those vendors that make stuff 'licensed' by Daz.
That's where we get all these quirky original releases.
Hopefully dream farmer doesn't show up and tell me those STILL sell better than men's clothes. lol
And if you keep saying THEY can absorb that cost- then WHAMMMOOO you have just solved where we can get this content that lots of people want, but doesn't sell better than skimp-wear-battle-armor.
So instead of making another funky joke item, maybe make some items that PAs aren't in a position to- that would benefit us, as a whole.
It would be great if the pro bundles for men contained more day to day and utilitarian items since a lot is not being made and about the only time new clothing comes out is around the pro bundle time. We do have a relatively strong need for regular items like suits, ties, and such. It is hard to get excited about niche content when there are still a lot of gaps in the basics of what is being released.
Kickstarter.
I think it has been suggested previously.
My addendum to it; get together and decide on a few products and see how many are prepared to put their cash where their typing fingers are. See if Daz or PAs are interested then.
Alternatively, someone unilaterally (perhaps aftering considering what might be most popular) set up a Kickstarter.
That there is a requirement and market for male clothes is obvious as it does sell; what is under discussion is how viable it is. This might help determine that.
... Hell, it may even open up a new market area.
I actually think they will, as Sakura 8 has been done really, really well. I wasn't going to buy the Pro bundle, but I have; and (my poor wallet) a few things besides.
Well, as has been pointed out in numerous other posts, apparently the bulk of PA's don't even look at the forums. Sorry, Mr M3dia, Ms Yield and Mr(I assume) avxp, you appear to be in a minority. So, regardless of what anybody says here, most PA's won't have any idea what's being discussed here.
Just saying.
Sadly this thread does seem to have reached the point of recycling what has already been said, with a side order of telling other people what they did say or should say, so it is being locked.