Why so many female content releases?
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Not that I don't agree with you, but I bought that and it doesn't look bad on a male figure. I used a diferent hat though.
Need to flatten his chest. :p
If the male outfits have buttons like Law Enforcement for G3M, they become absolutely huge near the breasts.
Ye, autofit is possible, but not always effective. I'd rather have dedicated outfits rather than have to find workarounds.
After all, my time is valuable, too.
Why do people who haven’t done a thing insist that the people who have are wrong about doing that thing?
1) What's the thing people haven't done?
2) What's the thing that 'people have done' that others are saying they are wrong about?
Seriously . . . . I have to wear this damned blanket till I learn to sew.
Bugger that. You just wait till summer , I'll go naked .
That'll learn ya good.
But, it's summer over here
Well yeah , It's summer here across theTassie too but it's overcast, windy with occasional drizzle so I'm staying wrapped in my blanke for now
Is that blanket a women's blanket that you auto-fitted?
We need more men's blankets in the store.
By a strange coincidence it's a G3/8M blanket but unfortunately not from this store
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Now I have to make a DIM installer for it. Why is life so full of obstacles and impediments?
Edit: You guessed it. Bloody spelling again.
Create items for men and find out that they don't sell...
So someone said "I made men's clothes and they didn't sell as well as my women's version" and someone said "You're wrong" ?
Which would be even more ironic if you were right since the guy who said that doesn't make clothes and has only been a vendor, for what, like 2 months?
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What I do like is the guy who chimed in with off-line, discreet information.
Which no one ever disputed women's skimp wear didn't rule the day.
No one has actually disputed that claim.
What's being asked- is the ratio sooo great that it's NOT WORTH making men's clothes. - at all.
And doing so has to be a passion and/or hobby status- cause bills need to be paid.
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The counter suggestion was you could do unisex- or make one version first and adapt it.
And that's NOT like starting from scratch. It's not.
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And further, this is customer feedback.
If someone says "This issue keeps coming up again and again"- then you know what? Maybe it actually IS an issue and worth looking into - somehow, someway.
Correct sir , the PA's have the actual Data to support their assertions about
Male vs Female Sales volume in this particular marketplace.
and have a more realistic view of how things actually are
Those who dissagree with them are doing so gratuitously
based on how they wish things were.
See now, and YOU MAKE AWESOME CLOTHES - and you won't sell them here.
Why is that? You could help fix this, you know.
C'mon. Take one for the team..
LOL. I agree. More men's blankets!
And let’s back up. What’s the counter claim?
If you don’t believe PAs make less money from male content, why do you think they don’t make as much? All of them, across multiple stores?
What is your theory?
There is no counter claim. You're feeding off the reply from M3diaMale who implied I - somehow, was suggesting the vendors were lying about their sales numbers.
I didn't respond to his post cause I thought it was silly to read anything I said as Vendors purposely lying for some reason to avoid making men's clothes. lol
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If Fisty and Darc showed up and said "Hey AVXP, we make clothes for both male and females and the females outsell the males 200 to 1. And on top of that, the effort it'd take to edit the female clothing into male clothing- the time and effort is STILL not worth our work for the dismal sales" What could anyone say?
I'd wonder about the DZFire Torch Construction Set I bought and have fallen in love with. Can there be more people into buying a torch than a spacesuit for a male astronaut? Or battle armor without round breast plates?
How does any product make sense- if the ratios are so terrible?
How does your shader make sense?
The only counter point would be:
So suppose 'male clothes weren't COMPARED to female clothes and just taken as any other item on sale? So No, no number can sell that's worth making them for?
So if what I'm saying wasn't clear enough-
The sales for male clothes taken on their own is not worth making?
1. More female clothes is okay like the real world but there should be equal number of male characters like the real world
2. Okay the DAZ and POSER characters are going there own way.... but all environment props should have obj and include Poser and 3DL materials
3. I want an IRAY rendering service from DAZ so I don't have to buy an Nvidia card
*sits back & grabs some more popcorns*
More female clothes is okay like the real world but there should be equal number of male characters like the real world
I think those sales trends of clothing follows the figures too.
So yeah, in that arena I did take to making my own, but I still do buy males and females to dial and mix.
I feel pretty confident that torches sell more readily than menswear. Also, shaders. I buy a ton of shaders. I would never buy a men’s astronaut suit. Or a woman’s, for that matter. Sure, I’d like more men’s specialty-wear. But the stuff I’d want would be even more niche than an astronaut suit and I’ll just have to make do with crossfitting.
I mean, math: I own 15% of the content under Genesis 3 Female. I own 21% of the content under G3 Male. Given that there's 30% as much Male content as Female content, I cannot judge that the Daz Male content is an under-served niche. If I was hurting for Daz Male content, I would have picked up much more of the Male side of the store, percentage-wise. (And that's in People and Wearables; across the whole store it's more like 14% and 18%, even less of a divide.) And I do render men! Not exclusively men by any means.... but probably about in the proportions supported by the store (although not all of those make it to my galleries).
One things that shouldn't be done in a discussion is when a post is discussed, the goal post of an assertion is moved when a counter point is given. So let's move it back. This is what you originally said:
My response was that in the past a PA **did** do exactly that and years later we're having the same assertion made. Why is that then, these arguments continue if they weren't believed in the first place? If someone tells you something that is their experience, why would any reasonable person ask for all kinds of proof beyond their word unless they thought they weren't being truthful in the first place? I didn't accuse anyone of of being saying vendors are lying but if someone tells you why they aren't doing something and you say "Prove it" rather than "OK", does anyone honestly believe that's showing that the person thinks the other isn't being honest?
At the end of the day we're adults here, and if someone doesn't like the answer they've been given, there's a saying that goes "Experience is a good teacher". Start selling and then those people wouldn't have to rely on anyone's word. But we shouldn't start badgering people just we don't like that answer we're given.
Also on the subject of showing sales numbers.. those are tied to how much a person makes. When was the last time anyone sat around the lunch room and compared pay stubs? You don't ask people about how much they make. That's a social faux pas.
Jeez, is the griping even valid? It's not like there's no male content. Capped from moments ago. Sure, there's more female stuff, but it's not like the ratio is that different than female vs male garments and shoes in the real world. In fact, female 3D is probably way behind on shoes.
Genesis 2 Female 2468
Genesis 2 Male 959
2.57 times female content
Genesis 3 Female 2704
Genesis 3 Male 1007
2.68 times female content
Genesis 8 Female 937
Genesis 8 Male 282
3.32 times female content
Why is that then, if isn't that they weren't believed in the first place?
Maybe I, in particular wasn't using Daz 2 to 3 years ago and in such- did not see this post that you are saying should have been the end all- be all to this discussion. Maybe TONS of forumites and the people in this thread also DID NOT see that So maybe it's better to assume that you are providing new information to a discussion than to suggest everyone MUST have read that old thread and are suggesting whoever you were talking to- back then, was lying or being dishonest.
I feel pretty confident that torches sell more readily than menswear.
Oh don't depress me DreamFarmer. So until I learn to make clothes (people was tough enough) all my super agents will be wearing tight leather?
Why is that then, if isn't that they weren't believed in the first place?
Maybe I, in particular wasn't using Daz 2 to 3 years ago and in such- did not see this post that you are saying should have been the end all- be all to this discussion. Maybe TONS of forumites and the people in this thread also DID NOT see that So maybe it's better to assume that you are providing new information to a discussion than to suggest everyone MUST have read that old thread and again, are suggesting whoever you were talking to- back then was lying or being dishonest.
I feel pretty confident that torches sell more readily than menswear.
Oh don't depress me DreamFarmer. So until I learn to make clothes (people was tough enough) all my super agents will be wearing tight leather?
The Obsidian Warrior outfit that just came out is basically Unisex (or rather, has fits for both Male and Female models). Shox and Arki made it. I didn't buy it. I often don't buy Shox and Arki stuff even though it always goes on my wishlist for Fast Grabs; the price point is otherwise just too high. That was especially true with the Obsidian outfit. It's a perfect test case for this. The claim: more people will buy Unisex wear than just Female model wear. Arki/Shox have the numbers. Somebody who really wanted to know could try to contact them and find out if that was an experiment that paid off in a sales number hike.
You are killing me today.
Avxp, we’ve had this discussion many dozens of times.
Every time vendors weigh in, a sizeable number of customers refuse to believe them.
You are new, great. You’ve been told how all the previous threads have gone.
Do you believe us?
Yes. Wolf gave a pretty tight summary.
Reminds me of the thread about figures shipping bald.....
There being no (continously) updating manual for Daz.....
The confusing sales system and Daz maths....
Smart Content and DIM challenges....
it goes on and on.....
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I think it's a cycle.
I see this in the music circles.
Someone brings up a topic and someone who's been there a while says NOT THIS AGAIN -
And wants the thread shut down.
Because THEY have no interest in seeing the same issue rehashed and roll around and come to the same non-conclusions.
Even if it's new people doing it.
Happens.
Who knows. There might be a day when this comes up again, in the future, and I become the guy saying the thread is pointless and has been discussed to death already, lol