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We don't relate to Cost-Co
and please check my previous post to get to know why our plugin is priced.
The figures you are talking about are casted and not 3D printed, if we can cast your custom 3D design without enduring the cost of a mold then we can offer it with a lower price range but the technology is not their yet and I can assure you that a 3D printer with that price point will give you a hard time printing a sphere not a character in addition to the cost of the mateiral as you will need to live with layers showing off, needing to remove the support material manually, facing a ton of issues and it is still a single color with very low resolution so the cow you are talking about can't even produce milk and what we are offering is rather cappuccino
Please don't be disappointed because once we can provide such functionality then we will offer it but we can't offer it until it is ready
As I mentioned what you pay for the plugin is actually given back as a discount for you on your first order, this helps us keep the price point of orders down as we don't incure unneccesary processing power on the cloud so we avoid charging it to real customers.
Hi GamePrint, (is it Mrs. or Mr. ? ) ;)
on your plugin-help-site it tells "GamePrint currently only ships to the U.S. we are working on making GamePrint avialable everywhere."
somewhere in this, or the other, tread I read that you ship from Europe - I am in Europe, precisely Germany, does that mean I can´t order now and have to wait till you made it avialable everywhere ?
Totally agree, will share a helper model in the next few days to make the process easier.
Yeah, we are using ones in the the tens of thousands price range and even towards 100k
Hahaha I'm Mr. but this account will be used by other team members represening GamePrint so it is not going to be strictly myself, will create a seperate account for my human counterpart ;)
We ship internationally so don't worry about this part, it needs to be updated so thanks for pointing out.
Costco charges $100 membership (or it did last time I was there about 20 years ago) - this is an evil marketing ploy and negates the savings for most consumers or forces them to buy everything there to break even.
And yes, a cheap $200 reprap (which can be used to make more cheap repraps!) or similar printer will be lower quality than a high end laser-resin one, BUT once painted the end result will look very similar AND you can make far more than one for the cost.
If you want something to look pretty on a shelf, then fine spend the extra money. BUT if you want something to put on a D&D Dungeon tile with your friends (which may end up damaged/worn along the adventure), then you don't want to spend more than about $10-20 for a figure. ESPECIALLY as you will need MANY FIGURES if you roll your campaigns this way.
So, this is a collectable price, and I'm looking for a token/miniture to use on the game board not put in a glass case. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants PRACTICAL 3D Printing not just knick knacks.
As a miniature painter, I'm going to point out that the prices also include the painting.
And even if these guys are 5 times faster than me at painting....they're probably not making very much per hour.
The cost of the print is probably a fraction of the charge. Most of the price is going to come from the tens and twenties of hours that are put into painting each figure.
Thank you.
Yes, that was the solution that occurred to me.
One fundemental thing that these printers can produce is the level of detail because a high quality resin printer will produce details on a 25 micron scale while a cheap printer can only do 400 microns or higher given the nozzel diameter will be 0.4 mm or bigger, that is16x higher resolution which means details like hair, clothes textures, etc won't show with such prints as well as the need to live the hell of the process of removing support material.
Ouch.
I'm not trying to give you guys a hard time, but the paying twice really rubs me the wrong way. I've read your explanation as to why and I can kind of empathize, but it still bothers me.
There's something huge on the horizon with 3D Printing technology that could probably lower production costs quite a bit over the next 10 years. I don't know if you've seen Joseph DeSimone's TED Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/joe_desimone_what_if_3d_printing_was_25x_faster but they are developing a single-step rapid extrusion of complex shapes that existing filiment and laser-resin printers cannot produce.
There are also several companies working on color 3D printing methods including airbrushing, tri-color filiments, and other techniques that could lower the cost of painting as well.
That's totally true
Yeah I saw it but the issue is no one has shipped something reliable in terms of full color yet, may HP multi jet fusion can be a good option but still it won't be shipped this year and more towards end of next year so hopefully when they ship we can cut the cost down.
This is what you get out of an "office printer"
I printed each version multiple times, due to many errors I or the printer made, spend aprox. 100$ in filament which is now in the trashbin.
Took me about 5 month to get to the shown results.
They are still not postworked (sanding and painting)
yellow was printed with a 1000$ Flashforge Dreamer - needed to print in parts and glued after, due to the limited build volume.
blue was printed on a "cheap" (420$) china CR-10, printed in one piece.
The "silver" thingie in the images is a Zippo lighter - for height comparison. (no banana available)
So, considering the cost of my printers and the amount of filament used to get these two, GamePrint is offering a great deal here.
By the way, I printet this bot because I was not able to print any hair - at least no good looking ones.
Honestly... I'm okay with buying the plug in and then paying the company to 3D print and paint the model. But that may be because I can't afford a 3D printer, don't know anything about 3D printing, and the only tech co-op in town that has a few free-to-use 3D printers have waiting lists that can go for months at a time.
So I get where some of the concern is coming from with some people. But for folks like me, who don't have the means, mad money, or know-how, it seems like a pretty reasonable deal. The quality looks pretty solid so far, too. Once I start my new position at work and learn a little more about redoing textures and such in DS, I'm going to give this a fair shot.
Thanks
one great suggestion we've got is to provide a set of bases and assets shipped with the plugin that can be used with existing Daz content this way we make it more appealing and valuable and I think this is something we will be doing in order to make it as much valuable as possible since these assets can be used not only for our checkout process but as part of the Daz day to day uses.
Great Idea, thank you!
Nope. The end result will not look similar at all. I empathize with your desire for cheap miniatures but if you really believe this you should actually buy a 3D printer and test it out. You will have all kinds of strata-like layers that you have to smooth by hand and the process will not manage small details - and that's once you've set everything up right so that you get no delamination or other defects.
Beginning material really matters, again as a miniature painter.
High quality resin or high impact polystyrene makes the best canvas to take paint. White metal is the next tier, but requires sanding for a good surface. Poor quality resin or pvc (Bones minis) take paint very badly if you do not have an experienced hand.
Several years ago I had a 4 inch vase of my design printed using an Objet printer (which uses an ink jet print head with UV curable resin and has sub-50 micron resolution). I supplied an STL file but there was still work needed on the printer's end to finalize the file, print, clean, polish, and ship the vase. No painting. The cost was $200. Although expensive, I have not seen a home filament-based printer give the same quality. Besides the material and processing cost, there's also the cost of amortizing the printer. The pricing shared so far for a painted 7 inch figurine with what appears to be very good surface quality seems to be a good price for a custom-made product.
Very interested in this and the fact that it is painted is awesome. If we were to customize it after, what kind of paint should be used?
I think the prices quoted so far are extremely good value for a one of kind, quality printed and hand painted figure. The samples shown so far look amazing. The fact that you would discount the cost of the plug-in from the first order is excellent. Please also add my vote for one that would be very interested in purchasing unpainted figures as well.
I would be interested in unpainted figurines as well as I can also do my own painting. In fact, I think that more people than you think here are capable of doing their own painting. LOL
Laurie
If the plugin included some models that could be generally used in Daz, it would definitely entice me to pick it up way before I'm ready to purchase a model, but I'd worry that providing that kind of value might also lead to the 'too much cloud time wasted' problem you quite reasonably want to curtail. Though I guess at that point the cost of the plugin might subsidize that.
Sorry if its already been asked, i dont recall seeing it, but how well or is it even possible using figures with tattoos? I do alot of my characters with body art or fantasy makeups and am wondering how well that would transfer to print or if it can even be done currently?
Question. What about assets that are not from DAZ. If I model something myself or use a freebie (with the proper license), will that convert properly? Or are we restricted only to our DAZ libraries?
Thanks, glad to hear that
Thanks a lot! I think we might have the unpainted option sooner than later
I guess so :D
This is something that we are considering now given the feedback, will keep you posted
We did models with Tattoos before and we can do it quite well but I'm not sure whether your models will fall under standard quality or collectible quality zone, it depends on how much effort is going to be spent into getting all the details and tattoos are tricky especially on smaller scales
You can import the models into Daz and then use the plugin, no problem
I've been a DAZ user since 2002. When I met the Gameprint team a few years ago, I suggested to them that it would be great to be able to support the DAZ community with the ability to 3D print high quality 3D models using Gameprint. The team took on the challenge and I decided to invest in the team. The team worked really hard to produce the technology to fix 3D files to make them print in high quality and investigated different methods to produce colored prints. We looked at all of the latest 3D printers that support color but were disappointed either in the quality of the colors (dull, muddy, fuzzy) or the quality of the material being 3D printed (either too brittle - like sandstone or unable to support fine details like layered paper). In a prior life, I worked in both the toy industry and in the video game industry, so I suggested to the team that they use an approach that has worked for the collectable figurine business for decades - use real artists. The team worked for over a year, perfecting the ability to 3D print and paint DAZ figures. Working with the team early, I was fortunate to be one of their earliest beta-testers. The first tests, were to produce high quality 5" models. Here are some of their early 5" models that they printed and painted for me. These 5" models were modified and posed Victoria 7 characters. The Asian Warrior 5" model was painted as a collectable where as the soldier was painted as a standard 5".