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  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 404

    Ha ha...this is still page"4". When you ask for someone's opinions on something, be prepare to be disappointed if it isn't the same as yours. If you like her fine. If someone doesn't and you say don't understands why, don't get in a huff when they say why. You asked. You got their answer.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,973

    While aesthetically I tend to prefer rounder jawlines and less prominent chins, there is nothing at all wrong with a strong jaw and prominent chin - and there are a lot of women with similar features. This BS of calling women "masculine" if they don't have perfectly round baby faces is just gross and needs to stop. You're not only insulting the artist who sculpted her, but you're insulting the women who have similar features. Just STOP.

    I'll just leave these photos of lovely ladies with strong jaws and prominent chins here. :)

         

     

  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 404
    edited October 2017

    I never said it because of her jaw. It is her over-all look and that horrible make-up. I also thought M7 looked like a lady.

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  • agent unawaresagent unawares Posts: 3,513

    Wait. I have a round jaw and something of a baby face. Are people who say I have feminine features or that I look androgynous trying to insult me? Because I had never considered that until now and if this actually is an insult I won't describe characters along those lines anymore. frown

  • brainmuffinbrainmuffin Posts: 1,268
    edited October 2017
    JasonSWrench said:

    Stephanie 8 Test

    These are side-by-side of all five Stephanie 8 figures. No post-rendering editing was done. 

    They all look the same

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  • Leonides02Leonides02 Posts: 1,379
    edited October 2017

    These G8 figures continue to look considerably worse than G7. Is it just me, or does it feel like we've taken a step back? The skin shaders look more plastic than the previous generation!

    G7 was more photorealistic. 

     

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited October 2017

    I don't use the term masculine or feminine to describe features.

     I do feel her features are sharp and the makeup is very odd to say the least and this combined with the big head just look strange and out of proportion.

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,973
    brainmuffin said:
    JasonSWrench said:

    Stephanie 8 Test

    These are side-by-side of all five Stephanie 8 figures. No post-rendering editing was done. 

    They all look the same

    Yeah, there isn't a huge difference in the characters, that's for sure. While I enjoy the diversity in some of the skin tones, the body shapes and face shapes seem pretty similar looking to me (at least in this shot). It might be the big smile that makes them all look so similar though. It would be nice to see a bit more body shape diversity in the characters. 

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    Leonides02 said:

    These G8 figures continue to look considerably worse than G7. Is it just me, or does it feel like we've taken a step back? The skin shaders look more plastic than the previous generation!

    G7 was more photorealistic. 

     

    It's just you, because I don't expect to see ever detail of the skin in a render unless it's a close-up shot.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    She definitely looks to have the closest bodytype to Steph4 compared to Sephs 5 and 6. Her rib and hip shape is closer.

    Morana said:

    Is it that the G8 figures are too masculine, or are we too used to seeing overly round faces with barely human proportions predominately in the store?  So a more realistic face shape comes along, but it looks sharp and angular in comparison to the standard fare.

    Personally, I think she looks great!  I love her face shape!  I'm not a fan of her skin, still looks a little fake-n-bake and those brows... but that's easy enough to tweak or just use a skin I prefer.  Unfortunately, I'm just not hot on the pro-pack contents.  I'd use one hair and outfit out of it.  But I like Adelaide, though she's not in the pack, of course.

     

    +100000 I feel like I don't have to do nearly as much adjustments to get a face that reads as realistic and not semi-stylized this generation. The eyes aren't as big, the cheeks aren't super wider than the ears

  • spleenrippaspleenrippa Posts: 30
    Serene Night said:

     

    I don't use the term masculine or feminine to describe features.

     I do feel her features are sharp and the makeup is very odd to say the least and this combined with the big head just look strange and out of proportion.

    If I hadn't known that this is S8, I would've guessed that it's a render of a dude who did his own make-up... Without a mirror cheeky

  • DreamingGirlDreamingGirl Posts: 227
    Divamakeup said:

    While aesthetically I tend to prefer rounder jawlines and less prominent chins, there is nothing at all wrong with a strong jaw and prominent chin - and there are a lot of women with similar features. This BS of calling women "masculine" if they don't have perfectly round baby faces is just gross and needs to stop. You're not only insulting the artist who sculpted her, but you're insulting the women who have similar features. Just STOP.

    I'll just leave these photos of lovely ladies with strong jaws and prominent chins here. :)

         

     

    All these women have masculine faces. That's not an insult, just descriptive. No need to get all huffed up over it.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I think lots of people like to render stylized and idealized characters and there isn't anything wrong with it, nor the opposite.

    I do think some are somewhat frustrated with the Genesis 8 line because of the heads and I can see their point. The head sculpts aren't to my taste either 

    Even Olympia who is sort of a rounder and more traditionally babyfaced did not look it. I didn't care for Michael 8 below the nose his proportions are off. The heads are thinner and the jaws different. 

     

     

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited October 2017
    BeeMKay said:
    agent unawares said:
    dragotx said:
    dreamfarmer said:

    I kind of hate the 'looks like a man' comments too. Women are so very diverse and I think some of the G8 figures look quite delicate. I do think Stephanie has a big head and Josie has a big mouth and so on, but.... real people are often pretty funny-looking, especially if you study them too closely, feature by feature.

    ETA: that said, I recall so many people wishing for a Stephanie 7. I hope this experiment is going well from Daz's sales-perspective.

    Yeah, all these comments are getting very annoying, and are reaching the bandwagon stage I think.

    "She doesn't look more masculine, she just looks less feminine" is approaching bandwagon levels too, IMO.

    And how does "She looks like a normal person" sound?

    SEriously, google female&square face, and you get tons of people, many of them models, who are having the same, or very similar face shapes. No one calls them "masculine". https://www.herinterest.com/top-50-hairstyles-for-square-faces/

    I especially loved the one "I'm reminded of a dog...she looks over 40+!" LMAO...as someone who resembles that age (and then some) I found that especially funny :P. BTW, I was paraphrasing, but that was the essence of the statement...lol. I realize the older I get the more irrelevant I become, but it still makes me laugh (and irks me a little) when I hear/see it ;).

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  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,845
    DreamingGirl said:
    Divamakeup said:

    While aesthetically I tend to prefer rounder jawlines and less prominent chins, there is nothing at all wrong with a strong jaw and prominent chin - and there are a lot of women with similar features. This BS of calling women "masculine" if they don't have perfectly round baby faces is just gross and needs to stop. You're not only insulting the artist who sculpted her, but you're insulting the women who have similar features. Just STOP.

    I'll just leave these photos of lovely ladies with strong jaws and prominent chins here. :)

         

     

    All these women have masculine faces. That's not an insult, just descriptive. No need to get all huffed up over it.

    There is is when it's being used as an insult.

  • exstarsisexstarsis Posts: 2,128

    Wait, how do we know what zombies really look like? I need to know this! I don't pay much attention to the world outside DAZ-land and I might have missed something important.

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    You know who this strong-jawed look would rock on, though? Monique. Ooh, and Karen. I hope they get the sculptor for these recent figures to do those.

    Also, I think Xanthe is GORGEOUS and I think Stephanie 8 totally justifies her and if I had any other G8 stuff I would buy the pair of them in a heartbeat. 



     

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,710

    Lets start being respectful of the your fellow users. Address the topic instead of the user per the TOS.

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    j cade, have you rendered steph yet? I've been looking forward to seeing it, see what you do with the skin.  

    j cade said:

     

    +100000 I feel like I don't have to do nearly as much adjustments to get a face that reads as realistic and not semi-stylized this generation. The eyes aren't as big, the cheeks aren't super wider than the ears

     

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    agent unawares said:

    Wait. I have a round jaw and something of a baby face. Are people who say I have feminine features or that I look androgynous trying to insult me? Because I had never considered that until now and if this actually is an insult I won't describe characters along those lines anymore. frown

     

    When it's one of 10 comments saying the same (along with several put rather less politely) it can be a bit much. There's a difference between "oh she looks androgynous" and "she looks like a dude. Ugh this one is so ugly" Or snarky comments about her coming with male genitals (and no I'm not making that comment up), because anyone who looks vaguely masculine must secretly be a man in disguise, I guess?

     

    IMO you're perfectly fine using androgynous though, since its rarely used as insult and often used as a complement

  • ThatGuyThatGuy Posts: 797

    Personally, I think that Stephanie 8 came away looking younger than Victoria 8.  I don't care so much about the facial structure, but I do care that they just seemed to have "aged" Victoria 8.  Olympia looks okay IMO.  It really is just V8 that was off putting to me when she came out and so I have not really used her, but rather characters based on her.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    ThatGuy said:

    Personally, I think that Stephanie 8 came away looking younger than Victoria 8.  I don't care so much about the facial structure, but I do care that they just seemed to have "aged" Victoria 8.  Olympia looks okay IMO.  It really is just V8 that was off putting to me when she came out and so I have not really used her, but rather characters based on her.

    I'm the opposite. The more I use Vicky 8, the more she grows on me ;). She's got the best skin of the G8's so far...she doesn't suffer from that overall orange look (fixed really easy, really...lol).

    Laurie

  • Leonides02Leonides02 Posts: 1,379

    Seeing each new G8 character only further convinces me to keep using G7. I haven't seen one yet that was remotely appealing. They all look far more plastic than G7 ever did. 

  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416
    edited October 2017

    Okay..

    Steph 8, default shape, no expression.
    Base skin, makeup 06 with eyebrows, translucency medium (that's 0.75 - still high IMO)
    Select skin-lips-nails in surface tab, change transmitted color to RGB 250/210/235 (very light magenta) - This one step makes her not orange, adjust hue to taste for your light setup, the effect is strong.  If you leave her translucency at default this transmitted color will make her look too pink.

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    Shirt coming soon

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  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    jakiblue said:

    j cade, have you rendered steph yet? I've been looking forward to seeing it, see what you do with the skin.  

    j cade said:

     

    +100000 I feel like I don't have to do nearly as much adjustments to get a face that reads as realistic and not semi-stylized this generation. The eyes aren't as big, the cheeks aren't super wider than the ears

     

    Not yet. I haven't actually finished a render in a while :( been pretty distracted with real world thingsTM of late. (nothing too bad or good mostly lots of yard work) I should have something soonish though

  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416
    edited October 2017

    This is what happens when you turn Steph down to 75% and add in 25% Josie.  Super cute, eh?  The body shape is nice too.

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  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    I need that shirt laugh 

    Fisty said:

    This is what happens when you turn Steph down to 75% and add in 25% Josie.  Super cute, eh?  The body shape is nice too.

     

  • exstarsisexstarsis Posts: 2,128

    Aha. What if these figures are Born to Blend? Steph plus Josie certainly makes me go 'hmmm....'

  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416
    dreamfarmer said:

    Aha. What if these figures are Born to Blend? Steph plus Josie certainly makes me go 'hmmm....'

    I know right, Olympia + Josie is amazeballs.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited October 2017

    Okay, here is my Stephanie. I'm not going to quit my day job as I'm not particularly talented at rendering women, but I found I liked her skin.... I lowered her eyes considerably as they are too highly placed on her head for me.   too bad I couldn't also lower her brows... I did also give her fuller lips as I like people men and women with fuller lips.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,859
    JOdel said:

    Most of the G8 series so far seem to be character actors rather than "Stars". Unless you only do pin-ups, this can be a good thing.

    Count me as another who wasn't all that impressed with the Pro Bundle contents. The hair is nice enough, but none of the outfits are things that I think I'll ever find a use for. The poses are rather nice, at least, and the add-on characters.

    I do agree that her head is too big for her body, but that's an easy fix. And the makeup is awful. But then, the makeup is usually awful. I was rather glad to see her, and having the earlier versions and their discount, it was an easy purchase.

    Stephanie is one of the iconic characters, but since Genesis launched, a lot of the reason that she existed disappeared. I can't really speak for the first couple of iterations, since I never got into using gen3 or earlier. But unless you were a modeler, I don't remember there being anything like the variety of morphing packages that are available now. If you wanted anything shorter than the stock V3 you had to scale -- which was not always convincing -- so there really was a need for a smaller female who was *built* smaller. And younger. Trying to make the gen3 and gen4 characters older or younger than they came was a struggle.

    Stephanie4 was pretty special. She came late in the series. V4 originally launched at the end of '06 and Stephinie4 didn't show until something like 2010. And she showcased a lot of the development which had gone on under the hood in the preceeding 3 years.

    For that matter, she hit the store with enough morphs to almost count as a teaser for Genesis. She came with (or launched with) a whole group of additional subcharacter morphs which added something like half a dozen new girls to your potential runtime. And iirc, you could *mix* them. This stretched the capabilities of gen4's unimesh like very little had before. The original Stephanie's were separate figures which shared a UV with Victoria. But gen4 had collected all of the DAZ base characters into a single mesh, with only a gender split.

    It was pretty revolutionary, but Genesis went back and started over from the ground up, and once it was on the ground, you didn't specifically *need* a Stephanie base to get a smaller younger female. You could morph your own, practically from day 1. Later morphing packages like the NPM morphs helped a lot, but the potential was already there.

    ..S4 with the NPMs finally let me create a viable Gen4 teen character.

     

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