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+10. I love Rune. But her breasts were a huge disappointment.
I was on the fence about V8 but now that I have her she is quickly growing on me. I look for characters who have features that are different than what I already have and I like the character in her face. And honestly, its a darn good thing we don't all think that only one type of person is beautiful or no one would be attracted to the people who don't live up to that ideal. I always thought that different people liked a wide variety of different looks or no one would ever get married. Back in the 20's Twiggy was very popular and all of a sudden very thin waif like women with no breast were considered the ideal. A hundred years ago or so (don't quote me on that, but a long time ago, and far far away....) Heavy women who were well rounded and had some weight were considered the ideal. So, I don't know what drives those likes/dislikes but it seems to change regularly and often and depending on where you live and how you grew up, what kind of stuff you are exposed to.
I think a lot of it has been tied up with financial worth in the past, when there have been times when people were assumed to have plenty of money and could eat well if they had a few curves, and were somehow worthy of more respect because of it. Likewise if they had soft white hands which suggested they had no need to work, rather than worn or calloused ones. These days a curvy shape is as likely to suggest poverty and a diet of cheap mass-produced cakes, and a slender figure can suggest wealth, personal trainers and a diet of expensive choice cuts of meat etc. That or a staple diet of noodles and an addiction to buying and stockpiling 3D assets :)
The base character is Genesis 8 and she looks (to me) about 20? Certainly a lot younger than Victoria 8, and quite maliable. Please don't forget Victoria hasn't been a "base figure" since V4.
This is true lol! I like a lot of my characters to look like they've lived a little and look like they haven't lived perfect lives. I also prefer my characters to be fairly curvy But, that doesn't mean I don't enjoy doing renders of *perfect* people either. I do appreciate the addition of her strong facial features into my gene pool though.
*sigh* Like all the years that women of African ancestry did just about anything to have straight hair. (And Europeans always wanted theirs curly.)
Me too - there's no point in one without the other. How else can people in the Daz World know that their supermodel looks are at all 'outstanding' and to be prized because of it if there aren't masses of girl/boy-next-door types around for them to compare themselves to? I sometimes think that in the Daz World, people with the looks of the likes of Bethany, George or Opal are so rare that everyone is trying to look like them so that they can attract the attention that they do, and that all their magazines are full of ads for plastic surgeons offering silicone love-handle implants and for beauty products that guarantee the appearance of varicose veins and wrinkles :)
Many comments in this thread make me physically ill. Some saying she looks half a century old? Others saying she looks like a "drag queen". When it comes to sexism (and ageism against women) it's like we're going backwards. I feel physically sick with what's happening to women in our society, and how many people are saying such gross things simply because of a character that doesn't look like she's a teen or someone barely in their 20s.
FIFTY years old? REALLY? How often do people who are half a century old look like this - without a TON of plastic surgery?
Not that there's anything wrong with being 50, of course. But what the..?
I can't tell you how distressing it is, as a woman, to see so many toxic and damaging sexist comments in this thread. This thread is a microcosm of how we view and treat women in our society.
It's ok to not like the look of a character, however, some of the comments in this thread are downright disturbing.
Don't read too much into it diva. It has been true throughout history that art is obsessed with beauty and youth. Not just when it comes to women. but men too. The latter maybe a little less youth and more heroic, strong, but certainly beautiful too. Something that the vast majority of guys out there will never have either. In the real world there are things more important than beauty, but in art this is just inherently what everyone strives for, at least when it comes to depicting humans in a realistic way. I think it's always a bit of escsapism into a world of ideals that cannot usually be achieved, like in movies or games full of beautiful young and heroic people.
The rest is just exageration often used on the internet (i.e. she looks 50).
No, that's not the primary focus of art.
There are plenty of women who spend their youth fading into the background and only really become strikingly attractive once they reach middle age. It's not just about finally finding the hairstyle that suits you and learning new make-up techniques (or realising you don't need it and abandoning it altogether), it's about acquiring that 'can do' confidence that only comes from 'have done', and about shaking off the 'I'm the centre of the universe' attitude that many doting parents unwittingly give their kids and realising the other people are important too. It's a lot harder to make Victoria (or any other 3D model) 'beautiful' than making her look good - what you do with her matters too.
Deep. Too deep. Shout if you want me to post a cat picture :)
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I'd noticed that the last few character morphs which DAZ brought out for G3F were looking a bit older than their G2F counterparts. As well as some of their new launches like Ophelia. Most people seemed to be all right with that. That Victoria is following suit seems just to indicate that we may be due for a series of grown women, rather than post-adolescents. I've no problem with that, and Zev0's growing up morphs seem to be high on his priority list. You don't need to send the base *all* the was to childhood, after all. And plenty of the add-on characters in the stores look young enough.
As for this elusive "beauty" that everyone is flapping about. V8 isn't the first of the character bases that DAZ has released in the past six months to a year which fall nicely into the "character actress" mode either. Monique7 is definitely a character actress. So are a number of the others too. I'd cast that woman in Divamakeup's last post up there an one of the characters in any of my illustrations that called for an attractive adult female. Plastic dolls are not what I'm looking for.
And incidentally, those renders showcase one of the reasons why I keep snarling about wanting at least one render in the promos *without the frapping makeup*. She is *much* more attractive without it.
This must be one of those women/men things, or something. I've always loved the makeup. If I weren't so absolutely terrible at putting it on I'd have lots of fun colors on my face too. (Although I do like that Daz now does makeupless promos, I don't like when there aren't any of those)
In the real worldTM I, personally, don't like subtle makeup, its too "teehee no I just woke up without pores this morning" ARGH. Gets my goat.
I do a lot of very minimal foundation + bright purple lips. One day I'll actually be able to do non-terrible eyeliner
BTW this V8 promo
Is possibly the most realistic lipstick I've seen in a render. it actually looks like something sitting on top of the skin rather than just a tint. If it were soffened up just a hair in the corners of the mouth it would be 100% perfect. The eyeliner could be better although for me its less the sharpness of the lines (even I can manage a sharp line, now having my right and left look remotely the same, not even close) and more that the black goes down below the eyelash line which just looks super off to me.
and @divamakeup + all the 1s I'm waiting for there to be complaints about too many renders of women with short hair
I'm curious what the complaints about M8 will be. Usually people complain he is feminine, too young, not rugged enough, not edgy, too perfect etc. It is almost the opposite of what people complain about V8 that I've read.
In any case, the renders I've seen of V8 look lovely. I'm sure the Olympia release will have all the girlish charm, curves and big eyes that people who find Vicky old will enjoy.
I don't know. When I see this in a pure science or equivalent magazine (IEEE) I believe it. I don't want read the whole thing, but a first review doesn't generate confidence in me.
+10^10
Yeah because she’s not a base figure anymore, so I’m on the fence if I should get her. I don’t want to waste money on a character I can’t use. Victoria 4 was the queen of the scene for a long time for me when I use(d) Poser. But I’m moving back to DAZ because I want to use Genesis 3.
I haven’t had a chance to fully check out GF8base character yet.
I agree with you, I really liked Hitomi and Aiko 3 they were spot on. I would like to see updated versions of these with all the features of the new characters like facial bones and power pose ability. I like Bethany too, dial her weight back a bit…ME LIKE ;)
No offense to anyone regarding age but I’m in this to make money, and I have spent literally thousands upon thousands of dollars on content here at DAZ and elsewhere, and want to make it known what I want, (Likes and Dislikes) and hope for since I am a consistent customer.
I just can’t foresee V8 being usable as of yet due to her appearance. Maybe when they come out with some super hot morphs I’ll change my mind.
The only negative I can see you not getting her, Jason, is a lot of characters will use her in some quanitity.. almost all FWSA characters (other than the ones bundled with otherr Daz characers) for G3F use V7 in some strength, those type of characters won't look quite the same without V8 in there. That being said almost all of them still look nice, just a bit different, and people on the forums here are really good about rendering out the characters without their "required" daz characters if you ask so you can see what they look like. You know Daz is going to rapid fire us characters like they've been doing for the last 4 years, you're sure to like at least one of them, and V8 will probably be really inexpensive in 6 months or less.
True,..I agree, it's good to have as many characters as possible for morph options. I got a banner in DAZ offering 40% off Victoria 8 so I'll have to consider it.
I'm just concerned with the direction DAZ is going with their characters, I hope Aiko 8 doesn't end up looking like Mei Lin 7. LOL ;)
Right... My jaw dropped over FWSA Indigo HD for V7 so I had to get her.
I'm also considering FWSA Sparkle for Mika 7, she's super cute too! Sparkle's eyes look nice and white, (I didnt care for Mika 7 default blood shot looking eyes.)
Sparkle also come with a nice pair of earrings ;)
I saw that, very classy. I like her straight eyebrows too. I would probably do an Asian hybrid for her and level out her eyebrows for a more Asian aesthetic.
I suppose if I had to guess the age of V8, I'd put her somewhere between 28 - 35, but I've never been good at guessing peoples' ages. Still, definitely not 40 yet. But the talk about M7 got me thinking, that I've never actually used him that much. My favourite male by far is Ivan. Maybe new V8 is the same for women here, that they just like their female models little more mature and not so drop dead gorgeous looking. For example to me, M7 looks like some boy calendar model, not a real hero type for my stories. Even though I don't use M7 that much, I suppose I can still admit that he's a good looking fellow.
When it comes to studies, about year ago I looked for lots of studies from web about beaty studies. Long story short, some said that symmetrical face is good, others said that those little asymmetries make us look beautiful. Also our cultural background, media and all that shape our views. Anyways, I wouldn't put much weight on those studies, but I suppose that age thing ( men of all ages like younger women ) is at least partially true. When it comes to baby making business, 22 seems to be the sweet spot for females from male perspective, so I was kind of surprised that Daz took such a risk with new V8. They are in the business of making money, not art, so from a business perspective that was a leap of faith, and we'll see how it goes. Anyways, here's something to read:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dating-website-reveals-age-women-6490993
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2751179/Are-girl-22-Then-don-t-bother-online-dating-Alarming-graph-shows-ages-attractive-opposite-sex.html
http://www.youbeauty.com/love/study-reveals-the-age-men-find-women-most-attractive-and-its-seriously-disturbing/
...and lots more. Just try google with "22 year old female most desirable".
Yes I do. Like her way better than V7 and V6!
All this girls have normal sized irises. V7 doesn't, her irises are very big. I love exaggerated very big irises (I love V7) but this aren't realistic. Trace a circle with the same ratio proportion in any of this picture in their eyes and compare.
Gigi_7, I am glad that you remain skeptical. I certainly am. As has been pointed out several times, good science is about skepticism, not about revealed truth. Science is just as much about challenging the current consensus among eminent scientists as it is about building upon it. New findings sometimes contradict previous interpretations because our measurement instruments improve. Sometimes, observations that were previously thought to be fact were actually just miss measured, or due to samples not being truly representative, or the inclusion of extraneous factors that distorted the results.
Personally, I am less concerned about whether the default V8 is beautiful or not and more concerned about the relative ease of customization. Same is true for V7, V6,... Some base shapes are easier to morph than others; for example, if dimple lines are modeled in the mesh it is much harder to smooth them out than the reverse. That is why I praised Divasmakeup thread on page 1 of this thread. In my opinion, she has very quickly created a variety of wonderful images with V8. I am glad that she found this thread and was able to offer some more examples of her excellent characters.
I think that probably this article is crap. I'm not sure at 100% because I didn't read it in deep, and I can be deeply wrong, but "force" a normal distribution because gaussians are nice is the type of thing made by people with a poor statistical background. Even the complete set of inputs used can had been selected in a biased way. Bibliography increase my doubt.
Art is about expression. I think we can argue back and forth but everyone has their own ideal of what's beautiful based on whatever it is they base it on. Now, I feel that all the characters are blank slates to me, I mix and match skin, eyes, noses, mouths to come up with what I want. Some of the renders I've seen here and elsewhere are so beautiful. Not just the faces or bodies of the characters but the composition, the expression of the art. Then there are those that I find butt ugly. But you know, that's my own opinion and I would never post a comment saying as such. I'm a Black woman in America of a certain age. I am a little over 5 feet tall, I have naturally curly hair and a big fat butt. Some people think I'm beautiful some not but I don't care. My beauty is in my expression. My love of people and animals and nature. I think that it really doesn't matter what these Daz dolls begin as. Because we as artist have the choice and the ability and the tools to make her what we want. So be nice to Victoria, change her give her your own expression. They all start out the same to me, white women, great shapes perfect this perfect that. But If I want to make her Asain or Black or Biracial or an Alien or a Demon, I can. That is the power of this Daz tool and I am having so much fun with it.