Do you like the look of V8?

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,393
    edited July 2017
    Diomede said:

    The following is just one study. Not offering it as some sort of absolute truth that has been confirmed using a variety of methodologies in a variety of settings over a variety of time periods.  But, someone did say that there had not been any linked studies.  So, here is one linked study.

    http://www.cultureplex.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Beauty.pdf

     

     ...just one study - Not offering it as some sort of absolute truth that has been confirmed using a variety of methodologies in a variety of settings over a variety of time periods.

    .

    Skepticism is great.  yesyes

    Similarly, criticisms of the analysis of the distribution are great.  yesyes

    To that, I would add survivor bias. Imagery that was consumed by the bulk of the population in the past may not have been as likely to have been preserved as imagery by artists who had patrons in a particular place or class.  Therefore, conclusions about people in general are suspect.  yesyes

    We could go on.  yesyes

     

    But none of that means that the scientific method can't be applied, or that the sins of evil scientists negate the contributions of others.  Just means that that particular study (and I would add "any one study") doesn't settle the issue.   Other studies have been done using alternative methodologies, in other countries and cultures, covering other time periods.  Some of it is consistent with the notion that symmetry is perceived as attractive and some other markers, across time and across cultures.  Other studies are more consistent with cultural determination, or at least evolving standards,   The default shapes of 3D models can be compared to the results of those studies by people who care about that.

     

    The reason that I linked to that study is because the authors REJECT the notion that there has been a single consistent canon of beauty in the art that they evaluated over the 13th to the 20th century.  It was NOT offered in support of a single objective standard of beauty.  And, the link was accompanied by a disclaimer minimizing the conclusiveness any single study.

     

    EDIT - Here is the abstract

    Abstract: Has human beauty always been perceived in the same manner? We used a set of 120,000 paintings from different periods to analyze human faces between the 13th and the 20th centuries in order to establish whether there has been a single canon of beauty (that would maximize reproduction probabilities) or whether this has changed over time. Our study shows that when measuring averageness, symmetry, and orientation, the representation of human faces has not remained constant and that there are substantial differences between the faces depicted between the 15th and 18th centuries when compared to those of both the 13th and 20th centuries. Especially significant is the decrease in the perceived beauty of faces in 20th-century paintings, as the freedom of artists and the openness of society fostered the representation of different types of human faces other than that of classical styles.

     

     

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  • MendomanMendoman Posts: 404

    I believe that average seems to be the key here. Maybe if scientists study average faces ( average of let's say 5 different faces ), then they can find some golden rules or whatever, but I do believe that those average faces do look quite nice. Here's a nice toy ( https://www.betafaceapi.com/demo.html ) where you can upload faces, and it creates an average image from uploaded images. When I found it, I played quite a lot with it, and no matter what kind of faces I uploaded there, average face always looked quite pleasing. Of course, that's just my opinion, and other viewers might not find average so attractive, but if you are interested, it's worth trying.

    Here's also another website that shows average brand model faces: https://designschool.canva.com/blog/average-brand-face/

     

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,936

    When it comes to baby making business, 22 seems to be the sweet spot for females from male perspective, so I was kind of surprised that Daz took such a risk with new V8. They are in the business of making money, not art, so from a business perspective that was a leap of faith, and we'll see how it goes. Anyways, here's something to read:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dating-website-reveals-age-women-6490993

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2751179/Are-girl-22-Then-don-t-bother-online-dating-Alarming-graph-shows-ages-attractive-opposite-sex.html

    http://www.youbeauty.com/love/study-reveals-the-age-men-find-women-most-attractive-and-its-seriously-disturbing/

    ...and lots more. Just try google with "22 year old female most desirable".


    This undeniable preference for the 22 year old has long been a core part of the Daz /Poser
    Marketing strategy.

    V8 is a rare departure, but in general the 20 something white girls
    will continue to dominate the Virtual female market just as they dominate the real world.

    This should not be news to anyone.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,762
    wolf359 said:

    When it comes to baby making business, 22 seems to be the sweet spot for females from male perspective, so I was kind of surprised that Daz took such a risk with new V8. They are in the business of making money, not art, so from a business perspective that was a leap of faith, and we'll see how it goes. Anyways, here's something to read:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dating-website-reveals-age-women-6490993

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2751179/Are-girl-22-Then-don-t-bother-online-dating-Alarming-graph-shows-ages-attractive-opposite-sex.html

    http://www.youbeauty.com/love/study-reveals-the-age-men-find-women-most-attractive-and-its-seriously-disturbing/

    ...and lots more. Just try google with "22 year old female most desirable".


    This undeniable preference for the 22 year old has long been a core part of the Daz /Poser
    Marketing strategy.

    V8 is a rare departure, but in general the 20 something white girls
    will continue to dominate the Virtual female market just as they dominate the real world.

    This should not be news to anyone.

    I'd call a 22 year old female a woman.

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,936
    wolf359 said:

    When it comes to baby making business, 22 seems to be the sweet spot for females from male perspective, so I was kind of surprised that Daz took such a risk with new V8. They are in the business of making money, not art, so from a business perspective that was a leap of faith, and we'll see how it goes. Anyways, here's something to read:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dating-website-reveals-age-women-6490993

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2751179/Are-girl-22-Then-don-t-bother-online-dating-Alarming-graph-shows-ages-attractive-opposite-sex.html

    http://www.youbeauty.com/love/study-reveals-the-age-men-find-women-most-attractive-and-its-seriously-disturbing/

    ...and lots more. Just try google with "22 year old female most desirable".


    This undeniable preference for the 22 year old has long been a core part of the Daz /Poser
    Marketing strategy.

    V8 is a rare departure, but in general the 20 something white girls
    will continue to dominate the Virtual female market just as they dominate the real world.

    This should not be news to anyone.

    I'd call a 22 year old female a woman.

    Indeedwink

    Should read: in general the early 20 something white women
    will continue to dominate theDigital /Virtual female market just as they dominate the real world of entertainment& media.

    This should not be news to anyone.

  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 404
    edited July 2017

    Personally, I think the faces of most of the characters are looking too much like each other nowadays. They need to take a dip in a different gene pool. That said...I hope they stay out of V8's gene pool...

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  • Peter FulfordPeter Fulford Posts: 1,325

    I think she's magnificent. Bestest Victoria evah.

    Am too busy to play with items I've already purchased at the moment, so good discipline means I must wait for V8. It's a good thing (in this instance) that coupons don't combine, otherwise poor discipline would have prevailed.

  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 404

    devil

  • Peter FulfordPeter Fulford Posts: 1,325

    angel

  • Mr BowenMr Bowen Posts: 404
    edited July 2017
    j cade said:

    And really I just straight up dont see the strong jaw thing.

    This is not a strong jaw

    This is a strong jaw

    You just about made Ioan Gruffudd 

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    I look almost exactly like my father. That doesn't mean I look like a man....lol. I look like a female version thereof ;). I think V8 is fine and that there will be characters that will outshine the base character and everyone will have a different favorite.

    Laurie

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,762

    What do those actors have done to their teeth to make them so white?

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,347
    AllenArt said:

    I look almost exactly like my father. That doesn't mean I look like a man....lol. I look like a female version thereof ;). I think V8 is fine and that there will be characters that will outshine the base character and everyone will have a different favorite.

    Laurie

    How nice for you! I bet you love him a whole bunch.

  • PedroCPedroC Posts: 200
    AllenArt said:

    I look almost exactly like my father. That doesn't mean I look like a man....lol. I look like a female version thereof ;). I think V8 is fine and that there will be characters that will outshine the base character and everyone will have a different favorite.

    Laurie

    Google: Aymeline Valade wink

  • Worlds_EdgeWorlds_Edge Posts: 2,153
    edited July 2017

    What do those actors have done to their teeth to make them so white?

    mec3d shaders lol (3 on purpose, not to draw the artist's attention for no reason)

    Probably get dentist to bleach the teeth. If that doesn't get them white enough, then get overlays/veneers or caps. 

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,762
    edited July 2017

    What do those actors have done to their teeth to make them so white?

    mec3d shaders lol (3 on purpose, not to draw the artist's attention for no reason)

    Probably get dentist to bleach the teeth. If that doesn't get them white enough, then get overlays/veneers or caps. 

    I wasn't talking about DAZ models but real media people, even if they aren't actors. Must be veneers because bleach can't turn something that doesn't have a white material white and teeth don't. I saw a financial banker sort of guy interviewed today too and his teeth were 255, 255, 255 white! Wow, that's a lot of patience to get all those caps on 32 teeth. 

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