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Maybe if V8 had alien lips, it might help to compensate for the strong jaw and cheekbones. :)
This was a great comparison. And some studies show that humans are attracted to juvenile facial characteristics- V7 certainly has them when compared to V8...Huge eyes and an over all softness.
I love V7- she looks just like one of my daughters ( who yes, does have huge eyes, and yes, did used to model)
But I'm also really liking the 'adult' look of V8 now that I am used to her.
That strong joawbone and angular face in comparison to others is mostly due to makeup, lighting, and flexing the correct muscles at the time the poto is snapped.
Probably none of us forumites really know the real statistics, but I assume Daz has gotten new users during G3 era. Lets say they had 100 G2/V6 ( this is just to make it simple ) users when G3/V7 was released, and 50 bought new V7 in the first week. During V7 era total of 200 people bought V7. So now as V8 was released, they had 200 users, and if 75 bought new V8 in the first week, they can say that V8 is a huge success. Well, it kind of is and isn't. It's true that they increased their first week sales by 50%, but at the same time lesser percentage of potential buyers bought it. Of course, this is just my speculation, and I have no idea what the real numbers look like. This is just a heads up, that you have to take that info with a grain of salt, unless you know the real numbers,
+1. It makes me laugh that some are so unwilling to admit that current societial ideals are subjective, change over time, and have a large influence on what people find attractive. Just looking at art throughout history there has been a wide variety of what was considered beautiful and "ideal" throughout history. And that doesn't even come close to addressing how colonialism effects our "beauty standards". Pretending that our current beauty ideals are what has always been and always will be what is considered beautiful is being quite ignorant of our history and the effects of current media on our views.
People don't like to admit that their perception of things is influenced by the popular media...
Personally kind of bored with the puffy lip trend. I can remember a time when people didn't go for the collagen enhanced lips. What was important was the shape. The duck face would not have been attractive back then. I Also remember a time prior to breast implants when natural was the go.
So, yes beauty standards have changed.
And for us black people, fuller lips are quite natural....
And for people with naturally fuller lips, it LOOKS natural - because it is natural. Plumped up collagen injection rarely looks natural, imo.
sure no doubt. that goes without saying. But there is a difference between collagen injections and the real thing
Indeed.
My greatest disappointment with Rune was the "implant" look to her breasts. For a figure that was marketed as a warrior woman, the implants just turned me off. I bought her anyway hoping to change the shape, but it's very hard to make them look natural.
As for Victoria 8 - it's MUCH easier to make a stylized morph from a realistic one than it is to make a realistic morph from a stylized one. Hopefully people will understand this and the vendors can capitalize on that. Actually, they already seem to be - most of the V8 characters I've seen so far have been really stylized and so I've left them in the store ;). I have the G3 line for stylized, and even moreso - G2.
Laurie
I don't buy many female characters. They tend to look alike to me. I get snow blindness from looking at the similar and frequent releases. I have a small percentage. But I tend to prefer characters like mei Lin. I avoid the majority of stylized women I tend not to like my females too youthful
i also grew up in the era before big eyed manga fusion became as popular as it is now.
Now I'm envisioning a lemur woman with giant cantaloupes.
V7 has been out for a long time. I haven't seen a single comment about the size of her 'alien' eyes.
Compared to the base model, V8's eyes are also smaller. Does that make the base model alien-like too? And V8's head is shaped like a capsule. I don't find that too appealing either.
From renders I’ve seen, in my opinion she looks anywhere from 42 to 55 years old. (Not that that's a bad thing) but for me I need youthful anime type characters with an Asian aesthetic. So I usually have to buy a ton of morphs, skins, and eyebrows and do lots of mods to get the look I need, (Equals lots of money to do this)
Not a fan of the “surprise eyebrows” But I am liking the better bends and Power Pose options for the body and especially the face.
I personally would prefer they model a youthful character with the option to add age. Sometimes It’s hard to get the base character look removed and morphed out to what I want, especially with how much older she looks, that would require a lot of work to make her more aesthetically pleasing for my needs, that’s just me though.
But I have been hesitant to buy her for those reasons.
+1
I've not bought any.
I have far too many already. Changing the shape is easy and something I always do; I start with base female, get a look I'm after, then dial in small amounts of characters to see if they add anything, and leave in what works.
... For me, using a character at its default is only ever good to test how it works; if that is all I'm going to do, well I may as well save myself the cash and admire the renders others do including the PA. It isn't so much about my vision then as other's visions.
... And we are so short of those options in Daz's store (and others). :)
Never felt the draw to G3 or G8, neither are very impressing.
I love(d) the base figure of G2F, and I made lots of interesting characters from this base. V5, V6 and V7 were/are rotting in their corner of my HD; I didn't use them much. So with V8 I'm still reluctant, even if I like V8's looks much more than her predecessors'... G8F is very, very nice, and I own so many G3F characters...
I can't help it. In a lot of shots V8 looks like a drag queen. She maybe filling a demand.
Yeah, I noticed that too but it's the excessive makeup, most women don't cake it on so excessively.
I've known many who didn't bother, except when going out to 'party', and even then did just a little; if they did put it on at other times, it was subtle.
Make up - to me- is meant to enhance, not cover, so it is about showing what's there, not showing the makeup.
I think the shape of the hair you use has more influence on how V8 is perceived than it did on V7, because V8's face is not as round to start with. For example, the height and lack of width of the Vertigo Ponytail emphasises her long face and hollow cheekbones, making her face look even longer and helping to create the impression of an older woman with everything heading south. The effect is not nearly as pronounced with something with a bit more width, like Voss Hair. That said, I've hardly used her since I bought her, although I can't say the same of G8, who, in combination with SB3 and a variety of morphs is pretty much all I've used for females since she arrived. V8 might have stood more chance with me if her product icon wasn't so awful - the 'I've got a skinful of cider on board and have been putting unsuitable make-up on in the dark' look doesn't exactly scream 'Use me for your project!'. Sorry, Vicky - maybe it's just my monitor :)
I've been fed up with the gawd-awful makeup on most of the female releases for years. They've tended to be burried in eyeliner since V4 at least, but it got *really* out of hand with generation 7. It wasn't even *attractive* makeup. Some of the promos you were desperate to find one with a clean face so you could see what the character looked like. And half the time, you still never got a promo without the damned eyeliner.
I don't find DS make-up all that realistic a lot of the time anyway as the edges of the eyeliner and lipstick (especially the lipstick) are always too hard. In reality there's always at least the tiniest bit of smudge to the edges. Daz lippy usually looks like it's been applied against the edge of some kind of curved ruler.
That was, I believe, part of the motivation for the expansion of the lip surface group in Genesis 3 - to make it easier to blend the lipstick into the face.
I think Vicky 8 looks great. I have never really cared much for the other Victorias. I can't put my finger on the reason why.... I live in China. In China, the beauty ideal is very precise and invariable: Tall, thin, big eyes, double eyelids, and as white as skin as possible. Almost without fail, if you ask a Chinese person (in China) what is beautiful, they will list these characteristics. If a person is unattractive but tall with big eyes, the Chinese will think they are beautful. So people are a product of their environment. It ain't scientific, it's social.
What is a double eyelid?
Likely epicanthic fold
Yes. Oftentimes, beauty standards are based on something a culture naturally lacks (or I should say what they admire. If western culture weren't so dominant in the 20th century, I doubt double eyelids would mean anything to Asians). Asian eyes are different from western eyes. Plastic surgery to put a fold in their lids is very common in east Asia.