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  • Singular BluesSingular Blues Posts: 737
    edited June 2017

    The problem with retreating to the dictionary is it's kind of a copy out. Words mean what they are generally understood to mean.

    Case in point, it was big internet news when the the first dictionary redefined "Literally" to mean "Figuratively." Largely because the grammar nazis had been highly annoyed by the common usage of one word as it's antonym. But when Joe Bag'o'donuts announced in the middle of his Halo multiplayer killing spree, "I'm literally on fire over here," no one reached for for fire suppressants or called 911. Because literally was generally accepted to mean figuratively long before Webste'rs caved in and made it official. People didn't like it, necessarily, but they understood it.

    People don't like corporate double speak either. But they understand it. And "Diversity" connotes a particular set of things in that language and that of political discourse. It's meaning is understood. I find it hard to believe that a corporation, in the act of coporate things for corporate marketing was somehow utterly unaware of that particular corporate/political meaning of the word when they decided to use it as marketing speak.

    As I said before, though, if they were somehow oblivious (I meant other things, but it applies here, too) then they need some feedback.

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  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586

    Plain speaking means more to me that politically correct double speak does. If I mean racial diversity, I will spell it out, not figure that everyone will know that's what I mean by "diversity".

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,843
    daywalker03 said:

    Plain speaking means more to me that politically correct double speak does. If I mean racial diversity, I will spell it out, not figure that everyone will know that's what I mean by "diversity".

    Agreed.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729

    It's just marketing, instead of saying 'diversity' for the usual 'wide selection of products to suit every need!' I prefer 'plethora of plurality' that way I am forced to go to the dictionary and not make assumptions about how words used in some cliques I'm not privy too.

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,273
    gbmorphs said:

    Just noticed the Diversity new releases aren't all that Diverse. You might want to look at the Diversity page and google the definition of Diversity. Just saying it might be cool if on your Diversity sale, you have some models of color, of size or something other than the same "Diverse"  (caucasian skinny female ) models you create all the time. Or just not call it diverse.

    Utah is not the NYC of the West. I could see how diversity is a matter of perception when surround by one of the most Caucasian populations of any state. I'm not dismissing Ogden, this is simply how it works, however FWIW Native Americans comprise approximately 550 very unique tribes in North America,  so hopefully Daz will consider this when and if they come out with a "Native American" pack that subsists of figures that represent the surviving cast at a Bonanza reunion 

     

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  • Orphanslayer69Orphanslayer69 Posts: 98

    Yeah, I can't make Trigglypuff for Gen 8 right now. I'm so mad!

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,729

    LOL, I'm glad I never got out of bed before noon when I was in college.

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    StratDragon said:
    gbmorphs said:

    Just noticed the Diversity new releases aren't all that Diverse. You might want to look at the Diversity page and google the definition of Diversity. Just saying it might be cool if on your Diversity sale, you have some models of color, of size or something other than the same "Diverse"  (caucasian skinny female ) models you create all the time. Or just not call it diverse.

    Utah is not the NYC of the West. I could see how diversity is a matter of perception when surround by one of the most Caucasian populations of any state. I'm not dismissing Ogden, this is simply how it works, however FWIW Native Americans comprise approximately 550 very unique tribes in North America,  so hopefully Daz will consider this when and if they come out with a "Native American" pack that subsists of figures that represent the surviving cast at a Bonanza reunion 

     

    No, it's not, but at the same time we need to understand that DAZ has customers from countries that do not speak English as their native language, and those folks would not be aware of the conotations that Singular Blues seems to think exist when the word diversity is used. I've often heard that immigrants to the US don't generally have trouble learning the language as such, but have difficulty making themselves understood because of our uses of slang and "non-standard" uses of common words.

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,790
    daywalker03 said:
    StratDragon said:
    gbmorphs said:

    Just noticed the Diversity new releases aren't all that Diverse. You might want to look at the Diversity page and google the definition of Diversity. Just saying it might be cool if on your Diversity sale, you have some models of color, of size or something other than the same "Diverse"  (caucasian skinny female ) models you create all the time. Or just not call it diverse.

    Utah is not the NYC of the West. I could see how diversity is a matter of perception when surround by one of the most Caucasian populations of any state. I'm not dismissing Ogden, this is simply how it works, however FWIW Native Americans comprise approximately 550 very unique tribes in North America,  so hopefully Daz will consider this when and if they come out with a "Native American" pack that subsists of figures that represent the surviving cast at a Bonanza reunion 

     

    No, it's not, but at the same time we need to understand that DAZ has customers from countries that do not speak English as their native language, and those folks would not be aware of the conotations that Singular Blues seems to think exist when the word diversity is used. I've often heard that immigrants to the US don't generally have trouble learning the language as such, but have difficulty making themselves understood because of our uses of slang and "non-standard" uses of common words.

    I think it is difficult to express tone here so comments seem like big critiques. When I saw the promotional title, I too felt a very brief thrill followed by an ironic disappointment. I do understand that some of Daz3d's audience are outside the US and may not understand the nuance of terms here in the states...  I think I would suggest that more awareness of the meanings of words might help (remembering a famous car named the Nova in South America or a Bank of America promotion called the Mo Betta deal around the time of the film, Mo Betta Blues- "mo Betta" refers to the sex act) but I don't think anyone is suggesting any malicious intent.  Think instead of going to an ice cream shop with a big sign saying "five new flavor today!"; you ask about the flavors and they list: vanilla, french vanilla, sweet cream, vanilla bean, and vanilla yougart... technically diverse in a narrow sense but disappointing...  The original author raised a small suggestion for a variety that is still rare in the store.

  • gbmorphsgbmorphs Posts: 33
    j cade said:
    gbmorphs said:

     

    Just noticed the Diversity new releases aren't all that Diverse. You might want to look at the Diversity page and google the definition of Diversity. Just saying it might be cool if on your Diversity sale, you have some models of color, of size or something other than the same "Diverse"  (caucasian female skinny stripper) models you create all the time. Or just not call it diverse.

    TBF I just did that and what pops up was

    the state of being diverse; variety.

    "there was considerable diversity in the style of the reports"

    a range of different things.

    plural noun: diversities

    "newspapers were obliged to allow a diversity of views to be printed"

    While "diversity" is often now used as a byword for including persons of different ethnicities, that is far from its only, or even, most common uses. Given that the new products, are a mix of poses, morphs, a clothing prop and shaders that fits well under the definition of "a range of different things".

    Lets be fair, the advertisement people have to call it something other than "The random stuff thats new today!"  Now if they'd had that title and the new items had included three white characters (or you know one atleast) I'd probably be looking askance at it right with you.

     

    And note this is not me in any way commenting on whether Daz should or should not have more characters of different ethnicities.

     

    (the sale does include sticking Raiya's store on sale, and, given that Raiya has more non-white characters for G3F than white... it actually works pretty well as a sale for diversity in the other way too)

    Yes, because to be so tone deaf to the many customers who have asked, complained and begged for diversity of their products, when they use the term diversity to set up a sale they don't actually mean diveristy in the product set, but just different products in the sale.  Can you tell me how this diversity sale is any different that any other sale? What makes it diverse and the other not?

  • gbmorphsgbmorphs Posts: 33
    daywalker03 said:

    Plain speaking means more to me that politically correct double speak does. If I mean racial diversity, I will spell it out, not figure that everyone will know that's what I mean by "diversity".

     

    daywalker03 said:

    Plain speaking means more to me that politically correct double speak does. If I mean racial diversity, I will spell it out, not figure that everyone will know that's what I mean by "diversity".

    So what makes this sale diverse? What make it different than any other sale they run. If it it the inclusion of different products, then it is just like every other sale they run. So again, what makes it diverse?

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    gbmorphs said:
    daywalker03 said:

    Plain speaking means more to me that politically correct double speak does. If I mean racial diversity, I will spell it out, not figure that everyone will know that's what I mean by "diversity".

     

    daywalker03 said:

    Plain speaking means more to me that politically correct double speak does. If I mean racial diversity, I will spell it out, not figure that everyone will know that's what I mean by "diversity".

    So what makes this sale diverse? What make it different than any other sale they run. If it it the inclusion of different products, then it is just like every other sale they run. So again, what makes it diverse?

    Use of diversity as a synonymous for variety, rather than some obscure submeaning readily apparent to only those that want to take a page out of George Orwell's "1984"...

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