So Genesis 8 is here!
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I was wondering. Will clothing for genesis 8 work on genesis 3 models?
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I just realized they skipped Genesis 4,5,6,7. If Microsoft can do it, so can Daz. :)
Anyway, I did notice that the UVs and bones were setup the same way as Genesis 3. But, not sure why they didn't use a standard T-pose for the base. The arms are down, and the legs are spread out.
btw, I do love the new HD expressions.
Not until someone makes a G8 clone for G3.
And shapes from previous figures for G8 as well as UV conversion plugin to boot..
I do hope that a GenX2 plugin or its equivelant is made for Genesis 8 so we can transfer characters from previous generations. I am pretty happy with G3F textures being useable on G8.
Daz want's you to forget about the last Generation and buy all new stuff. So to make you do it quicker they make sure that you can't use ANYTHING from the new figure with the old figures. But hey, it has new fingernails and the shoes fit better or something.
On the bright side there will probably be a "reverse clone" available some time soon that will enable some autofit compatibility. Of course they changed the feet again so good luck autofitting shoes in either direction.
Alas, poor Generation 3...we hardly knew thee.
Unless someone can pick up the torch due to Dimension3D's passing; otherwise I don't think it will be happening, although I do not doubt that someone will make it's equivalent!
Stupid Question:
Where are the projection templates for the Transfer Ultility...........and Eh, minor fluke.....the Lingery Robes set pics contain a set of high heels.....now I'm a visual creature so a bit disappointed......
Greets, Artisan
Is there no bundle for the head/body morphs and expressions? Come on, DAZ....you used to offer these in a bundle.
Wait, they did didn't they?!!
Bethany 7 Mats do not line up with Gen8
Only the base Genesis 3 UV maps will work on Genesis 8. SO any texture set based on that will work. Any other Genesis 3 UV character set you will have to convert into Genesis 3 base UV via map transfer tool or something, then they will work fine on Genesis 8.
I am so glad to see that the base pose for G8 has changed. As someone who also works in Marvelous Designer, dealing with sleeves has been a big pain in the butt because of the T-Pose!!! So far, this is probably my favorite new feature.
J
Yeps, but some characters (even main ones) are based on the base map some are not.....so it's still a bit of a guess....I guess....but it's cool in itself. BTW, any coments on the templates (I could rig for G3 and transfer but that's a bit of a detour through the well known creek, isn't it?)
Greets, Artisan
I am a bit worried about the projection templates. Just did a quick MD to G8F test. The same problem with projection templates I used to have with the groin area (where things stretch and the mesh distorts) seems to be impacting armpit areas now, which has never been an issue before now. Hopefully, SY templates will be out soon.
J
Omg that's sad I didn't realize that :( another great vendor gone :(
Yeps same here........so one problem more or less solved, another created.....cool. SickleYield!
Greest, Artisan...
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Amazing QA :)
I fail to see what the big improvements are over the previous figure. Please enlighten me. It is almost identical to the old one, misses the heel bone which was quite nice for better feet posing. Has some face rig, claims that powerpose is so much better now, while it STILL DOES NOT FIX the pinning which has been broken ever since you introduced those twist bones into g3.
The downward compatibility is something that g1-g3 had aswell, even if it was not done by DAZ themselves but later on by vendors, but I fail to see what the big improvement is and why you need to make it sound like it is so much different and better than the old base figure. Please, for the love of god... hire someone for rigging and base mesh creation for the next iteration who amazes people. Check out artstation and cgsociety, there are tons of professional artists and riggers who may be more expensive, but at the moment I am so disappointed. G3 was not that much better than G2, in some areas even weaker, but this one is just a copy and paste with sloppy QA... but alot of marketing speech that tries to make it look amazing, which, to me, it is not.
Victoria 7 is Genesis 3. You need to read up on your Daz history:
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/24257/daz-3d-human-figures-a-history/p1
Not quite sure what happened, but I think it would be quite painful to have a giant slice of your butt gone like that!
I may not bother excpt for new clothes. At least the g3f textures work well.
And it comes with the newest version of DAZ Studio. but I'd still have to buy the morphs to recreate the g3f characters i recreated my genisis characters I recreated from my v4s...
How did you do that? I tried.
I bought Victoria8 Pro and I'm not impressed.
Those are the things I tested first. I'll go through all the claims from the Genesis8 page: https://www.daz3d.com/genesis8
I don't use PowerPose much but this looks impressive based on the video. No reason this same thing couldn't be done for Gen3, however.
Completely unnecessary as you could already hide eyelashes and replace textures to get any result you wanted. Why eyelashes and not eyebrows? Freaking bethesda had the wisdom to add eyebrows as a separate conformer in 2011 for Skyrim. At least separate brows would be an actual, much needed improvement. (at least for people like me who don't want to edit skin textures). I guess you're already saving features for Gen9...
Apparently the eyelash thing is good for content creators. And I didn't notice the eyebrows that came with V8. My bad.
I had no complaints about Gen3 eyes. I'm sure I'll have no complaints about Gen8's either. BUT! The eyes have the same size and shape. This could've just as easily been released for Gen3.
Oh come on. I'm an amateur when it comes to modeling but even I know that the pose is not a real obstacle for creating anything.
Yeah these do look somewhat better.
Oh please. You can't justify a new Genesis version with a shader. This is pure filler to pad the list.
Not impressed. See the list on the top.
So Gen8 comes with this product built in? https://www.daz3d.com/ultimate-natural-bend-morphs-for-victoria-7
I hope you're paying royalties, lol
Big pro for me here is that this seems to work on Gen8 in general. With Gen3 I had to inject 50% Victoria into every figure to get these results.
Yeah I bought the morphs for Gen3, thanks. It's nice that this is included by default now but nowhere near revolutionary.
See my related point on the top. Please someone give me an example of a shoe that was simply impossible to make for Gen3. Until then I'm considering this point an absolute negative.
Yeah I wanna keep this family friendly so no comment.
Cynical interpretation:
Ok so the lovely people at Daz get their money from running the store. They need a new generation every once in a while to wipe the slate clean. They tried to cover this by paying lip service to compatibility.
Alternative interpretation:
Daz has the misguided notion that they have to churn out a new generation every few years even though nobody is really asking for it. They are victims of their own previous success in creating Vic7 and this lackluster feature list reflects their inability to come up with any groundbreaking improvements.
The results are the same either way. The quality creators will move on to Gen8. I'm left with the choice between sticking with a generation that sees no new releases or start rebuilding my collection from zero. My blood pressure goes up. Life goes on.
Thanks for all the info. I just feel a little concerned as I've worked really hard to make several genesis 3 characters that I'm really happy with. Will there be a way to transfer them into genesis 8 so to speak? Apologies if that's a silly question, I'm still learning with DAZ :)
Fully bend up, fully bend sideways, then twist fully. For me it started happening around a twist above 69 ish. This is within pose limits, so not something that happens on super unrealistic bendings. And even on very unrealistic bendings this is something I have not seen on the figures before. Its looking completely broken...
Happens in DS 4.8 and 4.9 the same way.
Yep. Just tried it and looks the same for me too.
Wait, WHAT!? When did this happen!? D:
Use DS's Map transfer to change the textures to fit the G3F UV. It will take about an hour of your time to convert and create materials based on it
Are you on DS 4.9.4? Also I'm imagining a realistic bend would not come from that complete combination. On my characters I make a JCM on that just in case, but I'm guessing that wouldn't classify as actually being broken.
Keep in mind, there is a new generation, but you can still keep and use the previous generations in conjunction WITH all the "new and shiny." Just because Victoria 8 moves in doesn't mean she can't be rendered right along side your prefered Victoria 7 character. I know people (me included) have spent on Merchant Resources, tools etc..... I plan on using them - I bought them. :) But I'll still be playing with the new generation as well and adding to it....well, because I am a total nut over shiny too! lol (bad Kat !!)