SY Breast Helper vs Clothing Smoothers: Which wins the booby prize?
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More a question to SY herself, but what's the difference between the new and older product? Is the new one more fine tuned? Do they work together well?
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I thought clothing smoothers was more for like if you have a muscular Lee character and the belly six pack creates bumps in the shirt. Smoother smoothes those bumps out. So, I think Smoother is more for the overall body.
I'm wondering if the result differs a lot from Zev0's product line? http://www.daz3d.com/fit-control-for-genesis-3-female-s
There is also SY Front Fixer G3F by SickleYield at Renderosity, from 2013.
I've found Zev0's breast helper morphs in Fit Control to be a little unwieldy, but maybe I'm not using them correctly.
I got the same impression from the Fit Control morphs.
I bought it. Im going to run some tests on it in a couple hours after the commute. Will update.
Ok. So, in my never ending battle against auto-fit, I have purchased Wear Them All which comes with some cleavage fixers, Fit Control, and now SY Universal Breast Helpers Genesis, Genesis 2 and Genesis 3 Female(s).For my first test I decided to try something a relatively challenging clothing item. I chose Dictator for Genesis because Gen1 clothing is the worst with autofit. I wanted to see what effect the morphs would have on a tie. I also used some breast morphs that are not standard genesis 3. Generally I think that it is a good basic morph package. I think that the "Breast Helper Midzone Delumpifier" is a really useful morph. I think a morph that would have moved the center height would have been helpful. Im going to try some more tests. If anyone wants me to try something specific, let me know. Right now im thinking that the sweet spot exists somewhere in a combination of morphs from Fit Control and SY Universal Breast Helpers.
Oh, yah. The breast morphs I used were gravity morphs so they arent really characteristic of how a bra fit would look. Doing that next.
For the next example, the first two renders demonstrate the sadness of auto-fit using Bad Guy for Genesis on Genesis 3 using breast shape 6 at 100% and breast size at 70%. The next 3 renders show some good results using SY's morphs. Like SickleYield states in her video, using smoothing, collision iterations and push modifier help in reducing poke thru and improve the general appearance of the clothing item. For my next test, I will try SY's morphs on a plus size model.
would buy a breast fixer for the dudes also, man booby cling >.<
Next, 50's Car Hop for Genesis. Example 1, autofit, Example 2, SY Universal Breast Helpers. Not bad results at all. Observe the buttons, but, buttons are what they are when it comes to this kind of thing and I dont know that anyone anywhere has a perfect solution for buttons that are part of the clothing item. Post or remove in surface tab and add your own, etc... One area that I do want to point out is the fold that is happening just below the rib cage. This is from the lower breast helper morphs but also shouldnt be a major issue. This is one of those examples where I think Fit Control would help. I tried it and it did help that area but since the shirt is so fitting with the skirt, all kinds of clipping happened with the clothing items and I didnt want to take the time to try and fix it.
So my initial impressions are good. I havent tried SY Front Fixer so I couldnt say what the differences and similarities are between the products. I think that SY Universal Breast Helpers in combination with Fit Control is probably the best option that I am aware of in helping with the on-going battle against auto-fit. Will play with it somemore through out the day.
Another quick test. Intimates collection for G2F. Example 1, Autofit, example 2, SY Universal Breast Helpers + Fit Control.
Something else to consider, multiple clothing items like a jacket over a tank top. The SY morphs will make adjustments to each clothing item which can be helpful, but you cant make changes to individual items. Thats another reason why I like these morphs in combination with fit control.
I like the breast bridger morphs:
https://www.daz3d.com/sy-ultra-templates-for-genesis-3-female-s
Not sure if there's a way to inject those morphs onto gen 3 clothing tho. I think they only appear when doing an autofit conversion from a non G3F item.
I've done a lot of breast helper/fixers at this point, lol. It's the sort of problem we all try to solve repeatedly at different times.
The Smoothers are specific to individual morphs. So if you use 100% Victoria or 100% Monique a lot on Genesis 2, those are great for that.
The Bridgers that came with the Templates are an earlier, more primitive version of what's in the Universal set. I had only just realized it might be possible to make a broader fix rather than just the very character-specific ones that are in the Smoothers.
The Universal helper is character-neutral and it also covers Genesis and Genesis 3. It's intended that you have to fiddle with the individual dials a bit more instead of just saying I have 40% Vicky and 20% Mei Lin, I'll dial those two exact things. It also has the strap helpers, which though less important to most people, are not something I've managed in any other set.
It is in fact possible to change the projected values on individual clothing items after you dial in the universal fixers. You have to have show hidden checked in your Parameters, but if you do you can go to each item and say dial the fixer down to 50% on the jacket where it's 60% in a shirt.
Ahh, yes. Of course.
Its a good morph package. I like it. The strap helpers are really good as well. They add some really needed dimension to the clothing.
Hey, hopefully SY is still watching this thread...
I got the breast helper set, but forgot to install it. I started making a new character last night, and then discovered the forgot to install part, which I've done in DIM now.
My question is..will the morphs be there on the previously created character when I load it next, or should I load a fresh body to get them?
(a second question not on the breast helper, but are any of SY's new morphs good with the dreaded V-crotches?)
If you save the scene, close DS and restart, the morphs will be there when you reload without having to load a fresh body from the library.
The V-crotches problem is dealt with by a product I have at Rendo, the Front Fixer. At the time I thought Daz wouldn't want it because it's only 4 morphs.
Woo! Thanks for the info!
Ah.. right.. now i remember it (having gone to look at it over there).. I passed since it's G3F....who I don't use currently:(