Armor is not carefully considered by artists

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    wolf359 said:
    thd777 said:

     

    That's a great-looking suit. Sad for me that it is disontinued. I like the rigid qualities that the newer conforming genesis stuff just doesn't seem to have. Like it is made of dough. This suit looks like it has weight and shape of its own independent of having to conform to genesis.

  • In Australia we had a guy by the name of Ned Kelly who wore this armor

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  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,330

    The challenge is that clothing is falling behind the curve in realism and there really is becoming cognitive dissonance when viewing 3d characters wearing garments because the outfits just don't look convincing compared to the realistic skin and faces

    I have found that Luthbel and his sister, Luthbellina, make male clothing products that appear real on real-looking G3M's in movement or stasis. Although I own most of what is available for males, they alone pass muster, especially with conventional wear. Uzilite's M601 and M401 come in second. Modeled folds/gathers are essential to selling the illusion. Rhiannon's female clothing is more adaptable to realistic males than most of what is available for men of any Daz generation.

    I wish Arien were still doing texture expansions for Luthbel. Shox-Design was doing textures for Luthbellina, but that's not happening anymore either. OK, I know this thread is about armour; so, I'll stop there.

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,330

    I can agree on this one.  I must have missed it when it came out.

    A side note -  This is a gen 3 male HD Suit, coupled with a gen 3 male character and you have about 200K poly final character

    Why not rig the suit and have removable or interchangeable heads?

    Seriously,  I would really like to read why this isn't done.

    Mestophales figured that out long ago. (rig the suit)

    I do video, and large poly counts are difficult to work.

    I always decimate, but something like this is difficult to decimate and still have good quality.

    I haven't done the polycount figures, but my solution for multiplication of Cyclops-wearing figures was to delete all the G3M textures; duplicate five; pose those five and instance the posed five.

  • I've gotten a lot of use out of the V4 Historical Armor, especially the gauntlets.  It helps that there's a LOT of textures out there for it (Both here and at Rendo)

    Speaking of Rendo, the Supreme Armor over there is fun for M4 (The V4 is rather silly though).  The crotch is still a bit exposed, but at least the hips move independently, unlike say... Old World Knight  :(

    At the moment I'm looking for something overkill in the other direction though.  I need full plate armor that's covered in dangerous Spikes.  Any sugestions?

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,330

    Yura's armour sets, though badly in need of a true texture artist (as I see Daz provided for Space Merc), are so badass (in terms of shape/form) that I just work with them the best I can. Unfortunately, Space Merc has only two surfaces for the torso, unlike Yura's other sets. Yura and IH Kang need to team up with dedicated texture artists, such as Shox-Design, so we can get value out of their meshes. Of course, the extra step is going to add another couple of weeks to their delivery date, and that can be problematic.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,751
    dracorn said:

    This one is my favorite for impracticality.  At least her shins are protected...  Actually I do like those boots, and no high heels!

    Then again, I suppose it's working, as her intended victim is so distracted that he doesn't have his shield up.

    This and the other one are just the epitome of quintessential fantasy armour.  I actually like them both, for what they are intended for.  Pure fantasy lol.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851

    I actually don't have an issue with skimpwear. I don't buy it mostly because it is mostly for ladies and I'm not really interested in pinup style.... Although I'm pleased to see the guys are getting something more than the usual barbarian loincloth, in their skimpwear. I was surprised this year to see a couple of male skimpwear armor sets.

    What I really look for in body armor in sci-fi:

     Helmets that look like you can remove them. In fact a removable helmet to use as a prop is something I've been wanting for a long time. It should have padding in it as well, so some thickness, not just the painted on kind of thing. Glass that can tint or be clear,.

     For light armor designed for speed strategically placed padding and defensive thickness should be included. Approrpriate boots, gloves, and belts for gear would be nice, and footwear designed for easy movement, a holster for a weapon, and seams where the character can get in and out of it would be nice. A half dressed option, would be nice.

    For under bodysuits/padding a suit that has some padding in the places where the armor would rub would be nice.

     

    ...I'm not into pinups be they "cheescake" or "beefcake".  I illustrate stories so I'd like clothing and armour to look a bit more "practical". 

    mrinal said:

    SnapJelly's channel at YouTube has a few videos reviewing female plate armors in movies.

    Here's one of them: 5 reasons why boob plate armor SUCKS!

    ...yes

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851

    Kyoto: Chain -> ballistic cloth

     

    ...umm not exactly.  in RL, ballistic cloth (generally a Kevlar™ weave which is made up of multiple layers) is designed to dissipate the force of a much higher kinetic impact at a much smaller area than a lower velocity sword blow. Some types of ballistic clothing also include provisions for the use of hard ceramic or more lightweight polyethylene plates that are inserted into pockets on the front back and sides. One can actually cut or stab through ballistic cloth with a sharp blade whereas it is extremely difficult to do so to chain mail.  On the other hand chain mail (and even mediaeval plate) was no match for firearms, particularly so with today's weapons.

    While ballistic cloth can save lives, one can still be subject to injury like severe contusions and even broken bones from the impact. It just keeps the bullet from actually piercing your body.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    No, what I mean is change the stuff that's chain armor into ballistic armor by retexturing it, in the process of converting medieval armor to modern/scifi armor.

     

  • Apparently a few layers of blowing blousy silk billowing out behind a horseman does a half decent job of intercepting, deflecting, and absorbing the energy of arrows. surpriseenlightenedyescool

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited January 2017

    No, what I mean is change the stuff that's chain armor into ballistic armor by retexturing it, in the process of converting medieval armor to modern/scifi armor.

     

    ...sorry got carried off on the realism discussion. 

    Actually for the purposes of my writing, I could just do it with regular clothing and say it is made of say, a "Neo-Kevlar ballistic weave".  There is already Kevlar body armour designed to be worn underneath regular clothing.  Given technical progress and 40 years time, you probably could get armoured clothing that looked like say, a tailored business suit or biker's leathers (actually have a leather jacket that is almost armour in it's own right, took a couple spills while wearing it and was no worse for the wear, it is so heavy that if put on the back of say a kitchen or dining room chair it can easily tip the chair over). 

    The tough part is heavier armour for an HTR team.  The GRIM Armor THD777 posted a pic of is pretty much what I would expect heavy security or even milspec suit would look like save for maybe a helmet with a faceplate. 

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  • This used to be sold at Runtimedna. Just need to use the restroom before donning :)

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  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 2,674
    Hera said:

    Then we have this. Winter Warrior! I mean really, she'd freeze to death even before she'd laid eyes upon an enemy.

     

    Hatred of one's enemy keeps you quite warm.

     

     

    mrinal said:
     

    laugh

    I love to see the more sexulized female armour in the store ... Hey I am a guy, I will admit it. BUT! I would also like to see period acurate and more fuctional looking Sci-Fi armour for 3D art. 

     

    Well, I belelive there's a problem with seeing period acurate female armor.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851

    This used to be sold at Runtimedna. Just need to use the restroom before donning :)

    ...I wonder where the coal bin is.

  • kyoto kid said:

    This used to be sold at Runtimedna. Just need to use the restroom before donning :)

    ...I wonder where the coal bin is.

     

    He he

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    kyoto kid said:

    No, what I mean is change the stuff that's chain armor into ballistic armor by retexturing it, in the process of converting medieval armor to modern/scifi armor.

     

    ...sorry got carried off on the realism discussion. 

    Actually for the purposes of my writing, I could just do it with regular clothing and say it is made of say, a "Neo-Kevlar ballistic weave".  There is already Kevlar body armour designed to be worn underneath regular clothing.  Given technical progress and 40 years time, you probably could get armoured clothing that looked like say, a tailored business suit or biker's leathers (actually have a leather jacket that is almost armour in it's own right, took a couple spills while wearing it and was no worse for the wear, it is so heavy that if put on the back of say a kitchen or dining room chair it can easily tip the chair over). 

    The tough part is heavier armour for an HTR team.  The GRIM Armor THD777 posted a pic of is pretty much what I would expect heavy security or even milspec suit would look like save for maybe a helmet with a faceplate. 

    Executive clothing, mainly business suits, made from ballistic materials have been available for many years. A friend of mine is bodyguard and he wears them. They're heavy, but they look like ordinary suits. Kevlar breaks down rapidly under UV light, as Mercedes found to their regret when they tried making convertible tops out of the stuff.

  • Pixel8tedPixel8ted Posts: 602
    edited January 2017

    Wendy this is an important part of defense, it's the ability to distract your enemies, while you're cutting their heads off Lol!

    Save

    If she drops her axe during battle, she can always use her chain melee weapon....er... chest piece. 

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  • Panzer EmeraldPanzer Emerald Posts: 727
    edited January 2017

    Hahaha, I'm loving the shade thrown on fantasy 'armor' in this thread. To me, it's all variations of 'Malibu Stacy with a New Hat' at this point. And yeah, I've voiced my displeasure about skimpwear many, many, many times before. In all honesty, I think there is a time and a place for it in fiction and whatnot, (I mean hell, Conan and Red Sonja wear about the same amount of "clothing" when you really think about it) but it doesn't hurt to have some stuff going in the other direction to balance things out. Such as it is.

    Plus, if you're feeling cheeky, you could kitbash a lot of the female skimpwear for guys. That's what I've done with some of the stuff I got in the Lilth 6 Pro Bundle (which I normally would have never bought, but at $6.95 at the time, I couldn't pass it up). 

    That said, I'm extremely happy to see that guys are starting to get in on the impractical armor business. Slowly, but surely. And, no, historical Roman/Greek armor doesn't count. ;p 

    Although I am getting kind of tired with the Mass Effect-inspired sci-fi armor. But then again, after years of Star Trek-esque pastiches.... I guess I'll take the N7 bootlegs for now.

     

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  • ZamuelNowZamuelNow Posts: 753

    It seems this older render of mine certainly feels relevant for the discussion at hand:

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851

    ...that's great and oh so true. 

    I remember when there were two "retro" styled space suits released or G2F/G2M.  The one for male characters looked like it would keep the wearer alive in the cold vacuum of space.  Meanwhile the one for female characters was little more than a bathing suit with a fishbowl helmet. 

    I guess women must be completely immune to the harsh environment of outer space.

  • PsyckosamaPsyckosama Posts: 508
     

    What set is this?

  • thd777 said:

    My all time favorite and gold standard for scifi armor in my view is the GRIM armor from SanctumArt. It is an old M3/V3 set but it has never been surpassed in quality (even the interior padding is modeled). I have converted the materials to IRAY and use it with an invisible M3 low res without texture inside and a G3F/M head when needed. If you have all the parts it is also quite versatile, there are several helmets, chest pieces and add-ons. Sadly it is not available for purchase anymore.

    Ciao

    TD

    Where did you find that armor model? I can't find it anywhere.
  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,752

    Filius Tonitrui, Son of Thunder said:

    thd777 said:

    My all time favorite and gold standard for scifi armor in my view is the GRIM armor from SanctumArt. It is an old M3/V3 set but it has never been surpassed in quality (even the interior padding is modeled). I have converted the materials to IRAY and use it with an invisible M3 low res without texture inside and a G3F/M head when needed. If you have all the parts it is also quite versatile, there are several helmets, chest pieces and add-ons. Sadly it is not available for purchase anymore.

    Ciao

    TD

    Where did you find that armor model? I can't find it anywhere.

    That product is not available for purchase anymore, SanctumArt closed their store many years ago. That was made for Michael 3, so around 20 years ago.

  • NetherFalconNetherFalcon Posts: 885

    A lot of threads are being necro'd lately.

  • thd777thd777 Posts: 945
    edited April 23

    Leana said:

    Filius Tonitrui, Son of Thunder said:

    thd777 said:

    My all time favorite and gold standard for scifi armor in my view is the GRIM armor from SanctumArt. It is an old M3/V3 set but it has never been surpassed in quality (even the interior padding is modeled). I have converted the materials to IRAY and use it with an invisible M3 low res without texture inside and a G3F/M head when needed. If you have all the parts it is also quite versatile, there are several helmets, chest pieces and add-ons. Sadly it is not available for purchase anymore.

    Ciao

    TD

     

    Where did you find that armor model? I can't find it anywhere.

    That product is not available for purchase anymore, SanctumArt closed their store many years ago. That was made for Michael 3, so around 20 years ago.

    Yes, as Leana said. It's an old set that I bought over 20 years ago directly from the artist. It was quite expensive, about $100 or so. However, I am still using it today, so I got my money's worth out of it.

    Here is a recent one with G9 Ivan as the face: https://www.deviantart.com/thd777/art/1186633950 It still holds up very well with a bit of Iray adjustment.

    Ciao

    TD

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  • dennisgray41dennisgray41 Posts: 860

    Form over function. Armore is not designed to protec t the body only to make it look good. Somewhat like a serimonial sword with a moderm military uniform.

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