Monique 7

Llynara · December 2016

This article came across my Facebook feed and reminded me of the discussion here. Some truly beautiful work making a great point about the need for more diversity in modeling and advertising. But it could easily apply to 3D models as well. I thought she made her point beautifully and elegantly: https://www.buzzfeed.com/victoriasanusi/black-mirror

We need more diversity in so many different areas. I'm trying to build that into my stories. I'm having a lot of fun doing so in my superhero series and finding the right models here to create the book covers and promos. Monique 7 will among them. So will Mace, and I'm looking forward to seeing what DAZ does with Darius 7.

vwrangler · December 2016

divamakeup said:

RobotHeadArt said:

I wonder where all the addon characters for Monique 7 are. Aiko 7 had about half a dozen shortly after her release.

I really hope we start seeing them soon.

Wouldn't lay odds on many appearing, if any besides DE Nadira, the one that's already out. Monique 6 only had about four or five add-on characters, total, including the ones in her pro bundle. She got a couple of separate large morphs-only addons, Fuseling's FSL Regal Monique and 3D-GHDesign's Queens of the Savannah, and that was it. However, that sort of major morphs-only package hasn't much been seen in Genesis 3. (I admit to hoping really hard for a new version of Queens of the Savannah, or whatever the Genesis 3 version would be called. I used that a fair amount. Wouldn't mind a new Regal Monique, either.)

More recently, none of the Genesis 3 females except Victoria and Aiko (and to a lesser extent, maybe Olympia) have gotten much in the way of post-release add-on characters. Honestly, I think the release pace of Genesis 3 doesn't allow for much. By the time you've got your add-on character done, the next character base has come out and the audience has moved on.

Victoria and Aiko are exceptions because Victoria and Aiko are eternal. (Or, less prosaically, proven durable sellers across generations.)

RobotHeadArt · December 2016

vwrangler said:

divamakeup said:

RobotHeadArt said:

I wonder where all the addon characters for Monique 7 are. Aiko 7 had about half a dozen shortly after her release.

I really hope we start seeing them soon.

Wouldn't lay odds on many appearing, if any besides DE Nadira, the one that's already out. Monique 6 only had about four or five add-on characters, total, including the ones in her pro bundle. She got a couple of separate large morphs-only addons, Fuseling's FSL Regal Monique and 3D-GHDesign's Queens of the Savannah, and that was it. However, that sort of major morphs-only package hasn't much been seen in Genesis 3. (I admit to hoping really hard for a new version of Queens of the Savannah, or whatever the Genesis 3 version would be called. I used that a fair amount. Wouldn't mind a new Regal Monique, either.)

More recently, none of the Genesis 3 females except Victoria and Aiko (and to a lesser extent, maybe Olympia) have gotten much in the way of post-release add-on characters. Honestly, I think the release pace of Genesis 3 doesn't allow for much. By the time you've got your add-on character done, the next character base has come out and the audience has moved on.

Victoria and Aiko are exceptions because Victoria and Aiko are eternal. (Or, less prosaically, proven durable sellers across generations.)

Kalea has had six besides the two included in the pro bundle which is quite a few for a character that had no equivelent in prior generations.

nelsonsmith · December 2016

Miss Bad Wolf said:

nicstt said:

Chohole said:

So until I see a Aryan character with a Nazi theme

That would actually be against the law in some parts of Europe.

That's a shame; what the Nazi's did should never be forgotten.

What if we were doing a fanart from captain America or other movie with villains that are Nazi. Not all characters are good role models or good in general. Not promoting Nazism or genocide but the villain might be.

I could see doing a piece with a Nazi villian a lot quicker than I could see doing a piece with a Voodoo witch doctor. Just saying. There just aren't too many ways I could see making that okay, but it's interesting that people obviously thought, "yeah, let's let the black couple have a Voodoo theme." Like that's a positive thing. I mean considering that's a Haitian religion to begin with what is the demographic of Haitians in America, or people that even know anything about Haiti that they would be incorporating Haitian themes into their art? A Toussaint L'Ouverture theme would have been just as appropriate, and would have provided a much more useful set of items.

Oso3D · December 2016

Llynara said:

This article came across my Facebook feed and reminded me of the discussion here. Some truly beautiful work making a great point about the need for more diversity in modeling and advertising. But it could easily apply to 3D models as well. I thought she made her point beautifully and elegantly: https://www.buzzfeed.com/victoriasanusi/black-mirror

We need more diversity in so many different areas. I'm trying to build that into my stories. I'm having a lot of fun doing so in my superhero series and finding the right models here to create the book covers and promos. Monique 7 will among them. So will Mace, and I'm looking forward to seeing what DAZ does with Darius 7.

That's a very cool article! Thanks for linking it.

3Diva · December 2016

nelsonsmith said:

Miss Bad Wolf said:

nicstt said:

Chohole said:

So until I see a Aryan character with a Nazi theme

That would actually be against the law in some parts of Europe.

That's a shame; what the Nazi's did should never be forgotten.

What if we were doing a fanart from captain America or other movie with villains that are Nazi. Not all characters are good role models or good in general. Not promoting Nazism or genocide but the villain might be.

I could see doing a piece with a Nazi villian a lot quicker than I could see doing a piece with a Voodoo witch doctor. Just saying. There just aren't too many ways I could see making that okay, but it's interesting that people obviously thought, "yeah, let's let the black couple have a Voodoo theme." Like that's a positive thing. I mean considering that's a Haitian religion to begin with what is the demographic of Haitians in America, or people that even know anything about Haiti that they would be incorporating Haitian themes into their art? A Toussaint L'Ouverture theme would have been just as appropriate, and would have provided a much more useful set of items.

I agree. It definitely had me scratching my head as well.

timmins.william said:

Llynara said:

This article came across my Facebook feed and reminded me of the discussion here. Some truly beautiful work making a great point about the need for more diversity in modeling and advertising. But it could easily apply to 3D models as well. I thought she made her point beautifully and elegantly: https://www.buzzfeed.com/victoriasanusi/black-mirror

We need more diversity in so many different areas. I'm trying to build that into my stories. I'm having a lot of fun doing so in my superhero series and finding the right models here to create the book covers and promos. Monique 7 will among them. So will Mace, and I'm looking forward to seeing what DAZ does with Darius 7.

That's a very cool article! Thanks for linking it.

Absolutely! I really love what she did and the awareness that she's creating. :) That's really lovely photography - a gorgeous model with a great message.

FSMCDesigns · December 2016

nelsonsmith said:

There just aren't too many ways I could see making that okay, but it's interesting that people obviously thought, "yeah, let's let the black couple have a Voodoo theme." Like that's a positive thing.

While I can't see the need to do too many Voodoo based renders myself, I don't see it as a problem or even as a negative thing either, it's what comes to mind for most when you think of voodoo or voodoo witch doctors. If it had been used on a caucasian couple, many users would have been scratching their heads even more. Stereotypes exist because there are actual groups of people that look and act like the said steroetype, right or wrong, it's usually based on reality. I live in TX and every day I see rednecks around me and have known a few that are even proud of that fact, doesn't mean they all fit the steroeotype.

I find it more interesting that some users actually got upset over it.

nemesis10 · December 2016

FSMCDesigns said:

nelsonsmith said:

There just aren't too many ways I could see making that okay, but it's interesting that people obviously thought, "yeah, let's let the black couple have a Voodoo theme." Like that's a positive thing.

While I can't see the need to do too many Voodoo based renders myself, I don't see it as a problem or even as a negative thing either, it's what comes to mind for most when you think of voodoo or voodoo witch doctors. If it had been used on a caucasian couple, many users would have been scratching their heads even more. Stereotypes exist because there are actual groups of people that look and act like the said steroetype, right or wrong, it's usually based on reality. I live in TX and every day I see rednecks around me and have known a few that are even proud of that fact, doesn't mean they all fit the steroeotype.

I find it more interesting that some users actually got upset over it.

Unfortunately, they are not even convincing and accurate versions of the clothing; more a cartoon version... The big problem is that a) they displace more versatile and interesting clothing, 2) they limit the usefulness of the characters because people fix the image of the character in their mind since people forget that there isn't one version of Voodoo and the Haitian version is as different from the West African or Lousian version as Greek Othodox Catholicism is separated from Methodism, and 3) as I said, they are not particularly accurate versions of the clothes of sime period which is hard to determine.

Saiyaness · December 2016

I would create more skins for official characters if I knew people wanted them. I just assume enough characters come out with releases, and not everyone is willing to purchase extra characters or morphs. :)

I made a skin for Monique 7 but I got to the end and didn't like it. It's not as nice as Monique's gorgeous skin, a bit gritty, blotchy, uneven, and with icky spec maps, so I scrapped it. This is the best render I could get of it...

So sometimes we do create characters for the official characters, but scrap them. :p

If there was a magical future ball that told us which official characters would do well, and which would be forgotten (Karen 7, who? :p) I'd be happier to support official characters.

That being said, I'm always surprised by my Genesis 2 sales....

Anywho, here's a render! Monique 7 Original on left. My scrapped skin on the right. (With an Auto Tone in PS)

Saiyaness · December 2016

Err...extra post - please delete!

xyer0 · December 2016

Saiyaness said:

I would create more skins for official characters if I knew people wanted them. I just assume enough characters come out with releases, and not everyone is willing to purchase extra characters or morphs. :)

I made a skin for Monique 7 but I got to the end and didn't like it. It's not as nice as Monique's gorgeous skin, a bit gritty, blotchy, uneven, and with icky spec maps, so I scrapped it. This is the best render I could get of it...

So sometimes we do create characters for the official characters, but scrap them. :p

If there was a magical future ball that told us which official characters would do well, and which would be forgotten (Karen 7, who? :p) I'd be happier to support official characters.

That being said, I'm always surprised by my Genesis 2 sales....

Anywho, here's a render! Monique 7 Original on left. My scrapped skin on the right. (With an Auto Tone in PS)

Thanks for posting this, Saiyaness. If you smoothed out the hairline pigmentation I'd gladly buy it. I've noticed that most people's skin is blotchy, uneven, or gritty, and it doesn't hurt to have that option available. In fact, I prize your characters BECAUSE they are photorealistic with flawed complexions. We definitely need more cafe au lait, cinnamon, caramel, and honey skins.

3Diva · December 2016

Saiyaness said:

I would create more skins for official characters if I knew people wanted them. I just assume enough characters come out with releases, and not everyone is willing to purchase extra characters or morphs. :)

I made a skin for Monique 7 but I got to the end and didn't like it. It's not as nice as Monique's gorgeous skin, a bit gritty, blotchy, uneven, and with icky spec maps, so I scrapped it. This is the best render I could get of it...

So sometimes we do create characters for the official characters, but scrap them. :p

If there was a magical future ball that told us which official characters would do well, and which would be forgotten (Karen 7, who? :p) I'd be happier to support official characters.

That being said, I'm always surprised by my Genesis 2 sales....

Anywho, here's a render! Monique 7 Original on left. My scrapped skin on the right. (With an Auto Tone in PS)

I think the skin looks good! While it's not quite as photo-realistic, imo, as Monique 7's skin - it's REALLY close. And I rarely, if ever, see an add-on character's skin with as much attention to exacting photo-realism as the "official 7" characters. Which makes sense since I'm sure they don't sell as well as the "official" figures and they aren't priced as expensively as the "official" figures either. So it makes sense that the PA wouldn't want to/be able to spend as much time getting such exact photo realism on the skin as the official Daz figures. But your skin does look really good! I like it! Your brows are a bit more natural looking, imo, too.

RCDeschene · December 2016

Oh boy, here we go...

http://www.daz3d.com/vyk-mpenzi-for-genesis-3-female

Well, she's not a Monique 7 character...

TSasha Smith · December 2016

Here is Monique 7 as a pixi fairy.

edit Fixed a typo

nelsonsmith · December 2016

RCDeschene said:

Oh boy, here we go...

http://www.daz3d.com/vyk-mpenzi-for-genesis-3-female

Well, she's not a Monique 7 character...

I'm actually willing to let that slide. Except for the fetish items in the main picture, it actually looks like someone did some research into West African tribal makeup and even added some imaginative fashion touches. All in all it's not a bad figure; the skin looks a bit too perfect, though that could just be the render quality ( the one in the armor looks almost like Grace Jones), and the darkening around the knees doesn't look quite natural.

But that's just me, if we were to get extremely critical of every ethnic character, in ways that we don't tend to be about other characters, I'd be in total agreement with PA's who threw in the towel and say, "to hell with it, why bother?" Especially when it's obvious that some PAs are really trying.

xyer0 · December 2016

AprilYSH's Havana Hair is a nice addition for Monique, but I'm using Omri Hair underneath it because the hair showing in the forehead scalp part is less than convincing.

Artini · December 2016

Monique 7 with Sienna hair - http://www.daz3d.com/sienna-hair-for-genesis-3-female-s-and-genesis-2-female-s

mjc1016 · December 2016

nelsonsmith said:

I'm actually willing to let that slide. Except for the fetish items in the main picture,

There are two choices...go with what is 'somewhat' African, of unknown origin, or do without.

Those type of items are not exactly crawling out of the woodwork, in 3D versions, so there is a limited selection to chose from, if you want anything of the sort in a promo render.

ZamuelNow · December 2016

Llynara said:

This article came across my Facebook feed and reminded me of the discussion here. Some truly beautiful work making a great point about the need for more diversity in modeling and advertising. But it could easily apply to 3D models as well. I thought she made her point beautifully and elegantly: https://www.buzzfeed.com/victoriasanusi/black-mirror

Excellent article. I find it interesting that the model chose to have photos with actual personality instead of sticking with the bored and soulless versions of most of the originals. I'd argue that has a lot of affect on how the model looks regardless of race but it did make her's vastly better than most of the ones she mimicked.

Saiyaness said:

Anywho, here's a render! Monique 7 Original on left. My scrapped skin on the right. (With an Auto Tone in PS)

I like it. Outside of the hairline it looks very good and even the hairline's not a major problem. As others noted, uneven skin isn't an issue since it's realistic. The generally complained about problem is exceedingly dry/"ashy" skin on darker characters.

outrider42 said:

I was about to make a post just like this. I think its bordering on offensive that the African American figures don't release until a year and a half later, after over 20 base figures came before them. And the vast majority of those base releases are white chicks. That just doesn't send a good message. Monique and Darius should have been among the first 5 releases. You can make any excuse you want, but its not good enough.

Something interesting I noticed a while back is that M5 and M7 debuted with a black character while V5 and V7 did not. Getting at least one available right out the gate would be a lot of help (though I hope Genesis 4 is a long way off). Genesis 1 had much more wiggle room since it was backwards compatible with M4/V4 and thus had a backlog of skins that could be used.

Artini · December 2016

Monique 7 and Bast hair - http://www.daz3d.com/bast-hair-for-genesis-3-female

Summerhorse · December 2016

I would absolutely love to see some modern African styles. A quick google of African fashion brings up lots of amazing and unique hair, make-up and textiles, that African women are wearing today and that are not in the Daz store.

Just a couple examples:

https://yaasomuah.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/vanity3.png

http://zenmagazineafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/12210_g.jpg Would sooo love to see this outfit for Monique!

http://pretty-hairstyles.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/african-hairstyles-and-head-wraps-2015.jpg

http://zenmagazineafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/12216_g.jpg

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/345932815099929449/ I can just imagine if Jepe made some of these cool headwraps and Destiniesgarden did some African textile shaders for them... maybe for Monique 8...

nelsonsmith · December 2016

23Cascade said:

I would absolutely love to see some modern African styles. A quick google of African fashion brings up lots of amazing and unique hair, make-up and textiles, that African women are wearing today and that are not in the Daz store.

Just a couple examples:

https://yaasomuah.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/vanity3.png

http://zenmagazineafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/12210_g.jpg Would sooo love to see this outfit for Monique!

http://pretty-hairstyles.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/african-hairstyles-and-head-wraps-2015.jpg

http://zenmagazineafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/12216_g.jpg

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/345932815099929449/ I can just imagine if Jepe made some of these cool headwraps and Destiniesgarden did some African textile shaders for them... maybe for Monique 8...

Those are lovely; but alas Africa must always be stuck in the past, or rather people's imaginings of what the African past must have looked like based on Hollywood movies. There are some really cool African designers working now doing good work which doesn't take a lot of effort to research.

ZamuelNow · December 2016

If it's any condolence, some of that stuff we can get sorta close to with kitbashing and the Totally Bazaar shaders in the store here.

JVRenderer · December 2016

Blazing Monique

Here's a quickie render from a rookie Iray user.

AllenArt · December 2016

LOL I was gonna suggest that you'd probably like that outfit Joe, but you're way ahead of me :P. Great render! :)

Laurie

JVRenderer · December 2016

AllenArt said:

LOL I was gonna suggest that you'd probably like that outfit Joe, but you're way ahead of me :P. Great render! :)

Laurie

btw those are your shaders.

nelsonsmith · December 2016

JVRenderer said:

Here's a quickie render from a rookie Iray user.

Very nice. Not going to be a rookie for long with work like that.

AllenArt · December 2016

JVRenderer said:

AllenArt said:

LOL I was gonna suggest that you'd probably like that outfit Joe, but you're way ahead of me :P. Great render! :)

Laurie

btw those are your shaders.

HA! No kiddin?! Well, you made them look good ;).

Laurie

Artini · December 2016

Another iray render of Monique 7,

Deleted to avoid confusion

JVRenderer · December 2016

Artini said:

Another iray render of Monique 7,

I knew someone couldn't resist rendering a NMIATWAS , A Nekkid Monique In a Temple with a Sword.

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