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Section 8 of the MD Steam EULA is now updated and reads:
- A version of Marvelous Designer 6 for Steam is available to purchase through Valve’s Corporation’s Steam store.
If Licensee has purchased such version, Licensee warrants and represents to CLO as a condition of the Agreement that: (i) Licensee is a natural person not legal entity; and (ii) Licensee will use the Software strictly through Steam and only for personal, recreational and commercial use not allowed to use in legal entity. The latest version upgrade isn’t available but Patches and minor updates are provided free of charge with a Steam Perpetual license.Still not very clear, is it? Still sounds like a single person can use it commercially...uh, maybe. o.O
Laurie
That's what I said in the first place you couldn't use it commercially with the steam version.
But what is recreational use ? isn't that the whole point of using it !
"not allowed to use in legal entity" What is that in English ?
Legal entity in wikipedia redirects to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_personality. But then I am not an lawyer.
But it says you have to be a natural person and NOT a legal entity. And it states that you can't use it commercially if you are a LEGAL ENTITY. So still....vague ;).
Laurie
OK lets just call Legal Entity a company ! so if I'm not a company then it's OK !
It is ridiculous. Here if you sell anything but your own used stuff, you HAVE to be a legal entity. You have to register in business area. Even if you have single person company, you are legal entity. You have tax number. Every natural person has tax ID, but those are use if you are an employee or unemployed. You have to use when you get paid. If you want to make anything on your own .. (freelancer) you will get a tax number and you will be a legal entity. So if they say you can use as freelancer, but not as a legal entity, it is paradox. I prefer not to use this kind of softwares with confusing EULA. Besides you can use only through Steam ... permanently to be online. However I asked them because I am curious .. and still ... it looks cool software and using as reference is really good idea. So I am waiting for they answer. But if they still say .. legal entity can't use commercially no matter it is one person only .. it is not useful :(
Well it depends on what country you're in to, there are many different definition, so good luck trying to work that one out Lol!
So the closest interpretation of that personal, recreational license, which come first to mind, is that it is intended for demostration purposes only.
Considering, that the full price of the perpetual, commercial license of this software is very high, it could be true, or may be something is lost in translation...
My question is how does this compare to something like Pegasus Modeler, and Wrinkle 3D? Both are available here, geared for making clothing and far cheaper. I'm just curious, the pricetag for MD is a bit on the steep side.
MD is not a traditional modeller, it designs clothes based on patterns as you would do in real life.
I second what Laurie said. Steam is one of my absolute trusted sources for software and game purchases. No fees, reliable, regular sales. Not sure about outside the US, but they're a very big company, so I'm sure you could easily find out.
You can play games and use steam for extended periods of time but I believe it is about 1 time a week you need to log in. I do this myself because sometimes I just don't want to be bothered with loging in to play a game that is singleplayer only. This is why I find the new version of Daz so annoying, and I just hate connect.
I don't log in to Steam once a week. I don't log in for months at a time and have never had an issue if I choose to all of a sudden play a game. I log on when I use it and that's it.
A natural person is a legal entity too so that updated MD license makes no sense. Their changing the wording of the license did nothing to clarify it and they absolutely must know that many, if most personal licensees of MD they've sold will be using it as individuals to make clothing for games and those games whether sold under the banner of a sole proprietorship, LLC, or as an individual (amounts to a sole propriatorship legally) are commercial use of the products those people made with MD.Let's not pretend that the folk at MD just fell off a turnip truck and didn't target those game makers commercially with their discounted pricing and by distributing on Steam. And the truth of the matter is most of those games will be big busts and much money will be spent on a copy of MD sitting idle on a computer. That's the nature of hobbies and that's the nature of get rich quick schemes and gold rushes. So MD, Adobe, DAZ Studio, AutoDesk, Unity and many other big businesses can profit from this development of new hobbies, very good.
Yes, many games do not require Steam to be online. But then, Steam does not have an offline installer. The ~2 MB download is just a client to trigger the complete Steam installation process which needs to happen online. While this may not be a big concern for most folks but for those who never connect their work PC online, it could be an issue.
At least Daz has an option for installing offline even through connect.
I think it's perhaps the language barrier that's getting in the way. I think the company that makes the software is in Asia. I think maybe their intentions aren't coming across very well in English. They really need to consult at least someone who has a solid command of English to translate for their legal department and lawyers who know the general laws on software in the U.S. If they did they would know that the wording of their EULA at best is confusing and at worst might not stand up well in court.
Laurie
They have some answers ... which still not clear because different countries define "personal" other way, like a freelancer is legal entity too if make anything commercial.
But maybe it is better now? I mean the explanation, not the terms, because for me, it is same - not good.
Our Steam Marvelous Designer Personal License Term:
1. Steam version is personal version and it is available to use for commercial purpose.
2. It is not available to be used by commercial organization.
Please be advise along with defining violation of commercial usage and your current legal status before purchasing our Marvelous Designer Software.
Additional Defines Regard to our License Term and Use:
1) I’m a freelancer working on my own. Can I use MD Steam version commercially?
Yes, you can.
2) I’m a freelancer but I’m registered as company in my country. Can I use MD Steam version commercially?
No, you are not. Any registered regal entity need to purchase enterprise license of MD.
3) I work for a company/ commercial organization, can I use MD for commercial purpose?
Yes, you can if you use MD for your own purpose which is not related to your company along with your own machine.
4) I’m a freelance part-time, I contracted with somebody either enterprise, if I work in their office, can I use Steam version MD?
It depends, if you installed MD on your own PC either laptop, there is nothing to concern. However, it is strictly unavailable to use your MD license on their machine.
Also for the 2:)
EVERY freelancer HAVE to register as legal entity. At least here. Because if you get paid and pay taxes, you have to get a tax number and for a tax number you have to register.
And again ... even if you are a freelancer ... you will sell stuff for anyone and they will use as they want. This is still ridiculous.
So I am done with this :( Luckily Blender has a great cloth simulation.
EDIT : Just checked and freelancer is not legal entity (in our country) even if it is registered for tax number, so it is good for those "persons" too.
Hi 3d-GHDesign
just reading all this it makes things clearer thanks- although making clothes would be a hobby if I spend this amount of money I would like to sell them if any one was interested.Is it hard to learn to do Cloth simulation in Blender. I liked MD because I worked a lot with real clothes patterns in the past is Blender similar.
Damn, I was trying to figure this stuff out, and now it seems like the special pricing is over, it's back to 320, and that's unfortunately out of my price range. I would have gotten it at the cheaper price if their license made any sense whatsoever.
Marvellous Designer is back on sale in Steam, if anyone is interested.
I have a question about MD. I use a lot of toons and animal like characters in my renders but no animation. With these models not a lot of clothing is available. How hard would it be to learn MD and make my own? Would it be all I need if I just wanted new outfits?
MD has a limited time trial that you could use to see how good a fit it is for you. I would strongly recommend looking at some tutorials on youtube first so you have an idea of the basics.
One of the companies that makes one of the 3D painting programs, offhand I forget if it's Substance Painter or Quixel has their license set up in very fairly as Amateur/Hobbyist license has a commercial dollar limit set to it... I think it's something like $10k and over that you need the professional license... If you ask me, that is super cool, because if you are making over $10k the difference in the price is not that much and anyone making below that is free to sell their creations as they go until they start to make over that amount...
Looking at some restrictions in commercial versions of software it's confusing and stupidly limiting... A while back there was some procedural plant generator that unless I was misinformed, did not let you sell even renders of your work... For that you needed a professional commercial license... What the hell?
Since many professional asset makers start out as hobbyists, giving them some means by which to work up to affording a full professional license is a good way of drawing people in, keeping people honest and being fair by not milking them with "cloud subscriptions" gimmicks and whatnot.
Oddly that aforementioned software kinda required the newest version of Photoshop to work best, so being that Adode is dead to me because of their subscription model, I didn't buy the software... I really wanted it, not just because it was a great program, but because I felt supporting fair business models is a good practice.
Thumbs up on your post McGyver!
it was that Vue one, and it removed random polygons all over the mesh too in free version.
A couple of places to start:
https://www.youtube.com/user/WildWebWorks
https://www.fearlessmakers.com/
If you get seriously into MD, I would suggest investing in Lori Griffiths's book:
https://www.fearlessmakers.com/book-available-understanding-marvelous-designer/
Cheers,
Alex.
'Oh, hey, it's on sale?' (peer)
'Holy poop.'
Yeah, I'll just keep poking along with Carrara. ;)
I tried the trial of MD a few months back but it wouldn't run on my OS (Win 10 pro). Looks like that might have changed looking at system requirements
This seems to have been changed:
2) I’m a freelancer/ self-employee but I’m registered as company in my country. Can I use MD Steam version/ Personal license commercially?
Yes, you can.