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Yeah that does look good. The top does look more like the umpire waist more commonly found in women's clothing.
Maybe it was designed for women? I've noticed several men's content outfits which do seem designed for ladies and who seem only by name to be men's outfits.
My thanks to BeeMKay, I'm usually more inclinded to buy a product if I know that it can be used on a variety of figures.
Personally I don't see a big issue with the belt. I guess you can call the outfit "fantasy" or "science fiction" but that implies a lot of things this uniform isn't. It just isn't modern US military regulation.
While many here are looking for something more modern and specificly oriented towards a real, American, military, some of us are looking for something not quite so specific and not so American. This product fits that niche for me.
I haven't read anything in this thread that I thought needed a reminder, Will, but I did notice one comment that the user removed. Perhaps that was the inspiration for your comment...? I think Serene Night summed up the reactions of most of us very well, and FSMCDesigns explained the "why" of our reactions equally well.
I would like to point out something else in this thread. We keep hearing that products for males don't sell as well as products for females, and that is the reason we see so few products for the men. Because of that, I think it is very important that those of us who want more male products let this vendor know exactly why we chose not to buy this product.
I recognize this vendor spent a lot of time creating a wardrobe product for G3M. I really appreciate that, and I'm sure many others do as well. And I'm happy to see there are people who can use it, and went ahead and bought it. But that doesn't negate my responsibilty to give feedback to the vendor. If they never know why people like me chose not to buy this product, they will go right back to the belief that male products don't sell enough to be worth their time. They need to know this product would have been an instant buy for many of us had it more accurately portrayed a military style we could immediately recognize, no matter the nationality.
And I sincerely hope this vendor will continue to make products for the guys,
Here's another test render, using the uniform on G2's Orc and G2F Dione characters. Dione has the jacket only. It plays very nice, except for the aforementioned ankle problems.
Well, the belt is kind of odd. But I would like to thank this PA for making an outfit for BOTH Genesis 2 and 3. Not many are doing that. I know it takes a bit more time, but it was this support for both figures that factored into my decision to buy. Simply put, if this had been for just Genesis 3, I would not have touched it.
So thank you for supporting Genesis 2!
I gather that most vendors are aware of the drought of male products and that there are customers who hae particular interests in what products should be made. This is a rather small portion of the store where even the best selling men's products rarely if ever reach the profits of a failure in women's clothing. There is the added complication that the artist has to be inspired to some extent to make the product and it is not a category with a lot of latitude for experimentation (customers often have very specific interests and little interest in what might sell to people who don't share the same interests). Thus it is a tricky thing to figure out whether is worth the bother to make male products for lower price points when one could make something involving high heels, panties, a bra, armor with odd cutouts, and a stange piece of abric that covers a portion of the midriff and upper thigh. Reading the thread, I wouldn't try anything like this if I were the vendor so I am grateful that the vendor did.
I agree with L'Adair. It would have been an instant buy for me if it passed for a real uniform. I really appreciate getting more male clothes, but I am also looking for realism, quality and versitility - it is afterall my money I am spending. This is a DAZ3D buyout, maybe even a DAZ comission, but having seen the G3F fit I wonder if this was a Female cos-play outfit just retrofitted to G2/3M to appease us whiners
Why is it moot? Folks can only buy something based off their own requirements, what they're familar with will likely influence that.
Here's the finalized render of the three uniforms, uploaded to the gallery: http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/224351
The ankles and cuffs are fixed manually. Doine's chest fix was done by Zev0's Fit Control.
Yes, that's my thought too. Looks like the empire waist that was popular in the 60's. The belt placement was a turn off, as well as the fact that the jacket is built more like a tunic with no separation in the front. But with the way the belt is placed, a separation below that would be more awkward than it already is.
I'd kill for a g2 or g3 version of that uniform. Or any realistic one for that matter. That one in the marketplace now just looks ....no. I'm giving that one a miss.
Yeah, some people's use of the term "fantasy" seems to infer the idea that anything is possible or acceptable. And they are . . . in bad fantasy. In written fantasy you can explain how things work and set the rules, as well as the tone, but in a visual medium, the picture is it. If it looks off to people there is no explaination, it will just look off. The uniform can be made to work, but the design choices clearly limit it's applications. Using it on fantasy creatures like Orcs or Satyrs is a scenario in which you don't really question it. Fantasy outfits that take their cues from existing styles or trends is a tricky and difficult tightrope to walk; go too far and the suspension of disbelief is shattered. It's like putting high heels on a forest ranger"s uniform we know that elves are fantasy creations, but we also know nobody goes walking through the woods in 5 inch stilletos. It may fill a fetish niche, but serves no purpose for someone trying to create something to be taken as semi-realistic rather than purely visual.
Though, to be honest, while the design of the shirt is not what you'd expect from any realistic army dress uniform, the design itself is not "stiletto in combat uniforms" unrealistic. Unusual, certainly, but as a dress uniform, it's not supposed to be used in combat. For any given "non realistic" purpose, in the sense of it not being a "replica of existing uniforms", the uniform is quite usable. So if you have an alternate Earth, or sci fi scene, or even fantasy, it would certainly work. The belt is also not modelled as a seperate unit, but it's part of the material, so to speak, like a shirt with multiple material sewn sections.
That does mean, though, there's still need for a realistic looking dress uniform.
As a former US Marine and US Army veteran and also an avid military historian I am always happy to see any kind of military item especially uniforms in the DAZ store. However I must admit because of my former military experience I tend to be more critical of military themed items. Marines in particular take great pride in the appearance of the uniform. Be it combat 'utility' uniform or the dress blue uniform that mal3Imagery is working on at the present time. Great looking work and I will grab it as soon as it is finished. I did not however purchase the 'military uniform' being offered in the DAZ store at the present time. It apears rather odd in regard to the modeling and placement of the belt IMHO. Purly a subjective opinion on my part.
Cheers
I admit that belt bothers me too, so I put together a couple of quick and dirty morphs to adjust the belt down, belt width and jacket length. May not work with all poses and morphs, but hopefully useful. Redz xx
Downloadable here Jacket Morphs
It was a nice item, and generally very well done; not my area of interest, but it is something I might find useful; as its outside my area of interest, it needs to be of 'a higher standard'; this is because it will get used less, and so any work I have to do on it, 'costs' me more.
The belt's positioning, and the fact it was modelled into the shirt made it a nono.
Redz's morphs are great, but I feel it should be something included. It will be something I'll look at when it's on offer some time in the future.
Wow these look great, thanks Redz
Cool, thank you, Redz! I'm going to download it and will see how it works with the poses.
Agreed!! I would hope that voting with my wallet would send a message to the vendor, but seeing as it's also a DAZ original, the vendor probably isn't even looking twice at sales
With the belt morph that looks so much better ... might be inclined to rethink my decision of not buying.
Thanks Redz that helps a lot. Much more aesthetically pleasing.
Well done. Thow a couple combat stripes on it, shoes and a cover and I could easily make my old dress blues. G3m can get fat enough.
Yes this item is owned by DAZ so the vendor has already been paid and can't look at any sales.
Dang. That is a NICE Marine uniform.
My request is a twofer.
First, will it be available for both G2M and G3M? And maybe females? Though the autofit can make that work if we need to.
Secondly, are you planning on making a Dress White version? I know the Marines stopped using the Dress Whites, but I've always liked them. And I would have a big use for them now. Hehehe. ;)
Well had some time to play with the outfit. I think the belt just doesn't work for me it just looks very distorted and on the side where the seam is, it sort of cuts in there. The uniform looks really good with it photoshopped off... There is a fair amount of distortion on the buttons and neckline
Thanks for the morph! That was botheirng me also. Looks much better with the morph and the lower belt position. If you could do one for the G2m version, at some stage, that would also be much appreciated, but no worry if not. It is also a shame the buttons can't be hidden without putting holes in the top.