Finally a Military Uniform for Genesis 3, but . . .
nelsonsmith
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Damn that belt!
Still getting it though.
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Well that just ruins the whole outfit for me.
Yah, they should pull it from the store and fix that belt. It looks silly.
You know belts are very hard to rig they get bent right where the hips bend, and are a real pain to do !!!
Granted but a dress uniform of that style the belt should be just above the hips instead of under the pectorial muscles. Plus if you look at the listing for the uniform and the untextured image the belt appeares to be molded into the jacket which really gives no reason that it shouldn't be in the correct position.
It's located a bit too high, right below the chest instead of slightly more down the waist, that's why it gives off a weird vibe. I compared it to the real dress uniforms, and while the belt sits a bit higher than with your regular pant& coat, it's not sitting quite that high. It's really not much, just a tidbit., maybe 5-10 cm.
From Wiki:
The product:
Otherwise, a really good looking product.
Belts and straps across the chest/abdomen areas have been a big turn off for me ever since Daz clothing moved from conforming to weight mapped.
The first thing I thought when I saw it was - Oh Yay.
Second was - Damn, it's for Steve Urkel.
Still, only $5.00 if I add it to my cart at the moment and it looks so useful even if I need to fudge a new belt.
Is there any way to hide the belt? Is it at least a separate surface so Opacity down to zero might work?
If it is not a separate geometry you can make it so with the geometry editor tool.
But whose military is it modelled after? I don't think any. It seems like it's a fantasy outfit so I think comparing it to what 'should' be where is kind of moot.
The high waist caused by the belt is a bit unusual for a modern uniform but since I render scifi who knows what could be trendy in the future. I just hope it doesn't deform too much. But I certainly picked it up.
Even if it is not modeled off of a particular military uniform, it seems to be modeled off existing navel military uniforms in the real world (which many sci-fi uniforms do as well) which is probably the way most people would wish to use it. Adding that belt with such an awkward placement really marrs it imho, and will probably cost some sales from people who don't want to go through the hassle of having to remove it. Bad design choice in my opinion. A no belt feature would have been a better option. Sometimes trying to be unique is unnecessary.
It's not marked as Fantasy Outfit. Markings, locations of emblems and shapes look very close to existing uniforms (if you compare to the "real thing", it's a good enough match), so questioning the location of that belt is a valid point.
As you see from the reactions in the thread, the location of the belt is... "jarring" to quite a few people.
Personally, when I saw the uniform first, I thought, nice outfit, but why do I get the feeling that something's wrong? It is still a nice outfit, and I bought it. But that doesn't change that to me, the location of the belt feels very wrong, because from my viewing experience, these belts are always located a bit lower, following the human shape at this place of the body.
I guess I got a different reaction from it. However jarring or different doesn't mean wrong. The position reminded me for of an sci-fi/anime style of military than the US which I think a lot of you are aluding to. Still it's a moot point to compare it to real outfits because the description never said realistic either.
I did not buy the product, but being that it is either realistic or sci-fi uniform. The belt still looks awkwardly placed.
Double post
Generally most fantasy/sf uniforms (even anime) tend to pretty much mimic realistic military uniforms. They don't vary too much with the basic design overall. Not to say doing so is wrong, but this particular case is extremely awkward in appearance. I mean belts tend to serve a purpose afterall; how does it even stay up there?
When I looked at it screamed fantasy at me. Look at all the real pictures posted. Look at the product. There is more than just the belt that looks wrong. It looks like a characture of Japanese uniforms. I believe that was what was intended. I bought it because it is not as cartoony as a lot of uniforms. I would have liked better. But it works for me. Believe me, I've had my share of disappointments. The "Clinical Therapy Outfit" is one. Again, I've seen worse. Bought that, also. Hopefully, more realistic ones will show up. In the mean time, I deal with what is.
Well, should the PA decide to offer something more in line with realistic military uniforms, I agree the belt needs to be lower and the shoes need to look more like polished dress shoes and not thick-laced boots. As a fantasy outfit, it's not a problem, but the included shoes definitely don't work as uniform dress shoes.
It's not just belt that lost the sale to me. The jacket below the belt looks off, too. And if it's a jacket, shouldn't the left and right sides be separate? I hate to complain about clothing made for the guys, but I just can't see any scene where I'd use this, so I didn't buy it. And I really wanted to, to support the artist.
The belt kind of distorts in the promo art which is my biggest concern. Those are fairly tame poses.
I will try seeing how it looks. If it is possible to remove it I'll give it a shot.
If it were me I'd put a soft select on the area and drag the jacket, belt loops and belt down to a better position. Might stretch the textures a bit but if you keep it one color or put a shader over it should look OK.
The belt also lost me the sale, but also the fact that its American. I'd love to see a few more Brithish uniforms please.
Well whatever it is intended for - fantasy/sci-fi, generic modern, combined with Meshitups Shenandoah Greatcoat set I think I've got a good start for some Japanese mid 1870s to mid 1920s renders with G2/3M.
That's a project that's been on the back burner for a bit so high waist belt(?) or not, can't be too unhappy.
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Yep. Love to see a Battledress, Serge set.
Couldn't agree more!!!! At first glance i was so excited as i have been wanting a military dress uniform forever and then looking at it in detail, it is so wrong on many levels and totally unusable for me, even as a fantasy or sci fi uniform. How hard would it have been to look up military dress uniform on google to get an idea of what one looks like.
I sincerely hope this doesn't stop anyone else that is working on one to stop their work. This is a small market afterall and as far as i am concerned there is still a need for a military dress uniform.
If this feels wrong to me, then it does feel wrong to me. That's my prerogative, and actually, no matter what the intended design is, it still feels wrong, and will feel wrong to me.
Also, of course one can argue about if the real-life placement of a belt is comparatible to some 3D design that is, or os not a fantasy/scifi design. That discussion is just as valid as any other discussion about the design of wardrobe. Just like with real life wardrobe, comparisions and feelings about the clothing item will happen, and this thread is the best example for it.
If something feels askew, it will be brought up. It doesn't matter if the feeling is justified, or not. Telling by the post in this thread, I think that many posters where hoping for some realistic type of uniform, and on first glance, the uniform has a nice, realistic vibe to it. Then, for those, like me, who were hoping for a realistic type of dress uniform, a feeling of "Hey, that's not how a real uniform looks like" and disppointment settles in.
For others, who were not looking for a realistic uniform, the thoughts and feelings certainly are different. Your own post is the best example for that. Does this make what I and others feel about the uniform any less "right"? Are you "wrong" to feel like you do about the uniform?
All that said, like I mentioned, I bought the item, because, even though it doesn't look like a real life model, it still looks great.
Funny. I thought it looked more Russian than American, after googling images for military dress uniforms...
It certainly doesn't remind me of any American uniforms. (Forgot to mention, I live in Oregon, USA)
I'm still working on the Marine Blue Dress. I just havn't gotten back to working on it.
Looking really nice so far.
Please do, we haven't had a good one since Channing's for M4, and that one is showing its age.