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I agree on the sexy issue. With a LOT of content being made these days, I feel like I'm walking into the latest Halloween section of any costume store - or Amazon. C'Mon, you know what I'm talking about...
Most content borders on the same kind of outfits that Fredricks puts out, which would be nice if I was into that kind of stuff and not writing comics for underage children.
The older V4 outfits and older Genesis content was/is very creative allowing me (and others) to create a HUGE array of characters that are child friendly and approved by the principal of the school where I work.
Genesis 3 content is starting to see a turn around with more stylized characters being developed with creative apparel that is innocent, but still there is a 75% schmexy outfit domination here on those line of characters. I understand that some people are into the sultry genre of content, but not all of us using DAZ actually are. (forgive my constant edits, I'm severely dyslexic).
For me... the kids that I work with don't want nummy, schmexily clad characters to interact with and see on their comics, they want cute, funny, unique, and the next awesome trend (which I hope isn't 'schmexily dressed Disney characters' for a 5-11 year old school age child).
I really love this outfit too. I don't normally buy skimpwear, but this set is really cool, and the promo images (for the most part), I really like. The way the crinoline looks is really quite realistic and I love the hat which could be kitbashed with other things.
Someone mentioned the awesome Veronica Year Three from Uzilite above ( http://www.daz3d.com/veronica-year-three ). That one can also be moved to modern figures with a little bit of effort. Here is a quick example of the outfit on GF3 (Karen 7). Again I used autofit to Genesis and then to G3F using Sickleyields templates at each step. I applied smoothing modifier to the body suit to fix some poke-through. The coat is a bit iffy. The build-in morphs cash DS to desktop for some reason. Hence I left those alone and instead quickly popped it into VWD to use dynamics on the coat tail (nail the top to collision and then do a 10 second simulation to settle the tail). The only issue left is that the coat has two layers of geometry which cause some intersectionduring si8mulation. I still need to fix it by adjust the self collision parameters and maybe adding some subdivision. You can see it at the coat tail where in some places the dark red inner layer pokes through. Overall pretty nice looking though, I think.
Oh, and I updated the shaders to Iray using Parrotdolphins cloth shaders (especially the shiny leather).
Ciao
TD
I think that one of the reasons there is cool stuff for older generations is that the lifecycle of the figure has dramatically been reduced. The older figures had a longer time to do more and to do a bit different things.
Regarding cool stuff for older figures, does anybody know if there's a comprehensive listing anywhere of all the various textures for the incarnations of the MFD? I just learned they seem to... carry foward all the way back to V3? So textures from V3 versions of the dress would work if what you had was the MFD for G3? But searching in the store seems to... not be very useful.
Google digging produced this, which is dated 2014, at least: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/14676/
The Stephanie Petite version is the only exception. Some sets had textures for both but the occasional product was released as SP3 only so be careful.
Just throwing out a few nuggets for thought:
1) With the exception of V4/M4, the length between generations of figures was a lot more like the 2-year cycle we've seen since Genesis 1.
2) A lot of those cool outfits were for V3 and M3 -- I remember the complaints throughout the V4/M4 era that vendors weren't making those cool outfits any more and everything was the skimpy V4 stuff.
3) I haven't done any kind of analysis, but I wonder if one were to go back to the 3rd generation female figures and counted them up, whether one would still find those cool outfits significantly outnumbered by the skimpy stuff?
4) Prices back in those days were significantly higher (while a lot of the old stuff has been reduced in price significantly, if you look at items by PAs who aren't producing anymore you'll often find items that are really pricey by today's standards) -- it may be much harder today than it was then to make a living producing mostly non-skimpwear.
5) Genesis 1 may have had a (relatively speaking) larger percentage of non-skimpy outfits than G2F and G3F because it was automatically unisex -- if you wanted males and females in matching uniforms you just needed an outfit which worked on both. You weren't reliant on a vendor producing both a male outfit and a female outfit, which sometimes results in female outfits that lack the coverage and practicality of their male counterparts.
I'll agree that V1 and V2 had relatively short lives, but V3 was introduced in 2002 and V4 didn't show up until 2006. That's four years, double what the Genesis figures have been getting, and IIRC, there was an even bigger gap between the Michaels, with Michael 4 not appearing until 2008.
Oh, there was still a lot of sexy clothing in the 3rd generation, but I think that was tempered by the fact that the Gen 3 characters included several actual children and pre-teens, as well as the fact that the whole market was still being figured out. After all, there are still a lot of skimpy A3 items in the catalog, but I think there were some basic limitations as to what could be done with the V3 generation meshes in the early generations of Poser/DS, so it took the advent of V4 for a lot artists to really go crazy with the skimpwear.
Defintiely true as far as the higher prices go, but the flip side is that the number of users was much smaller. Given the way Poser bounced from company to company for many years, I think it's fair to say that the fact that it was sold so many times is a good indication that it wasn't a spectacular cash cow. Smith Micro has always been pretty cagey with the numbers, but I've been told by many folks there that Manga Studio has always been their big money maker. In that light, DAZ's decision to create a free program that could use their figures makes even more sense, and we've been told that the free release of DS4 is what really opened the floodgates.
Yep, and a lot of us really bemoan the loss of the unisex idea for that reason. On the other hand, it's a lot harder to make clothes that work as well across the board and I'll have to admit that the items made for G2 and G3 do tend to look better, on average, than a lot of the G1 outfits, which sometimes had a really mushly look.
I never purchased this outfit because it was for V3 as I was not too fond of her as a figure. It looks great on the new figure though, I may have to put it in my cart.
..Cho had quite a few nice textures for the V3 and V4 MFD. Don't know if her site is still active.
...items with long flowing components like long/full skirts, coats, belts, and sashes create a unique fiting challenge. These often distort to some degree when using autofit. When I tried fitting the old V4 Domino outfit to a G3 character evertthing worked fine until I added the coat. The tails deformed slightly and none of the pose channels worked. With full skirts often the middle panel stretches unnatrually on both the front and back which distorts any textures, while long skirts usually tend to crumple along the lower hem. Dangling features such as sashes and belts are even more problematic.
Also layered clothing for older figures (such as the M4 Regency Ourfit) reacts quite differently with autofit and smoothing, often resulting in collision issues. For example, when overlaying the coat on the vest and shirt, making the shirt the target allows the vest to poke through. Setting the target to the vest allows the sleeves and upper chest of the shirt to poke through. Also the upper two buttons on the coat distort terribly.
It works pretty well, imo. Of the clothes I've transferred so far I've had to do little to no tweaking. At least for the clothes - shoes don't do as well as far as I can tell. I've never been able to get shoes to transfer well, regardless of product, sadly. Some shoes transfer better than others though. For the clothes transfer I give it an A to A-, for shoes I give it a B- to a C (but then I've never seen a product be able to transfer shoes well).
Here's G3F wearing V4 Future Cop:
What I do is transfer it to G2F using the product, then save it as a "wearable". Then it goes on G3F pretty easy via the wearable preset. :)
...would that process work using Genesis "Classic" to set it up as G2F doesn't have an AIko3 fit clone?
I'm not sure. The product is Victoria 4 for Genesis 2 Female. I've never tried it with Genesis? I'm not sure how to do that.
...well I gave it a shot with a couple A3 outfits. I first tried Goth Dolls and most of the parts fit pretty well with the only issues crumpling of the lower hem of the long coat (which was expected). and some distortion of the skirt (again an issue with autofit and G 1). I then tried the Mech GIrl outfit and eveyrthing fit almost perfectly except for the boots (autofitting shoes and boots was always troublesome on the original Genesis). WIll run some more experiments tomorrow.
Another issue is that with the later versions the Male content is dwindling down and becomes more and more plain and lacklustre. With the Gen3 figures (M7 and his pals) we're more or less only seeing new male contents when there's a new figure out and that's too far between.
During the PA sale now for instance the only M7 stuff I got was that Ark of Covenant set and a hair.
I keep wishing for more SciFi which is not Space- and EVA-suits, clothing for different times in history, old uniforms, robots, gothic outfits, biker leathers, different sub culture outfits (like hip/hop, punk, hard rock) and so on.
For instance a male company to Broke Doll http://www.daz3d.com/broken-doll-for-genesis-3-female-s would be just awesome!
(I don't mind skimpwear, only problem, I bought that a long time ago and have no need for more)
These two products work behind the scenes similarly to V4 for Genesis 2 Female (ONLY in autofitting clothing using clones to Genesis 3, NOT for texture/morph conversion). If you have both products installed, the pop-up autofit dialogue (What figure was the item originally designed for?) includes V4, M4, Genesis, G2F, G2M, & the opposite gender of the Genesis 3 you are autofitting.
How do you get A3 or V3 stuff to autofit? Do you have a product for that? When I do "fit to" Genesis there isn't a V3 or A3 in the list of supported figures. I have V4, Dawn, K4, and a couple others on the supported figures list but I don't see a V3 or A3 on the list. For that reason I've been hesitant to buy any V3 or A3 items even though I've seen some lovely outfits that I'd love to be able to get onto the newer figures via autofit or clones.
How are you able to get them onto Genesis? Does it require a separate product or clone?
I use these: http://www.daz3d.com/gen-3-iconic-shapes-for-genesis
That is the bundle, but there are also available in pairs. They work quite well.
ciao
TD
Ah, thank you, TD! Yeah those have been on my wish list for quite a while. I was hoping that there was a free way to get V3 stuff onto Genesis figures, but probably not. lol
The generation 3 figures autofit clones are great! I still buy stuff for A3 to use on A3/Melody, but also on Hitomi, who's one of my favorite Genesis characters, and other Genesis toons. Some time back, Renderositiy had a sale that brought back old clearance items and I picked up a few cute outfits and textures for A3, which I tested on Hitomi.
I also autofit A3's Sky Commander outfit to 3DU's Kimberly, and it worked pretty well even without doing much.
That is very cool !
I love the whole "Sky" series made for the Mil3 folks; great for diesel steampunk themes. There's also Daedalus Sky Mercenary for M3, though I have a little trouble fitting it to Genesis 1 figures. For some reason the bottom center front of the jacke gets pulled up at an angle, instead of being a straight line. It's probably fixable in postwork, but a noticeable issue. You can see it here on Genesis 1 Jason.
Other than that, it autofits nicely.
If Luthbel ever updated this outfit for newer figures I'd buy it for sure.
That Kimberly one is absolutely adorable! I've had her on my wish list for ages but this makes me really want to get her! hehe I just wish 3DU would release a Kimberly for G3F version! :)
...I have al the legacy shapes. They included fit clones.
http://www.daz3d.com/gen-3-iconic-shapes-for-genesis
...ach, I see thd777 already posted the link.
Yes they work pretty well however as I mentioned, Genesis 1 had issues with skirts and anything long like trench coats, robed & such, as well as footwear. (particularly from Gen4 because the default T-Pose had the feet pointing down instead of flat). For Gen3 footwear, it was better to just try a manual fit, but that would not carry over when saved as a warbles asset. at least the clothing works OK.
Going to try some Sadie stuff next (also have her clone as that was included with the Sadie and Sam characters for Genesis).
Ah cool! Thank you, kyoto kid. :) And yeah, I noticed that like pretty much nothing seams to help shoes when it comes to using them on different figures than what they are made for. Nothing I've tried seams to work without at least some distortion. And trying to manually pose to try and fit them and parenting them is a pain in the booty then heaven forbid you want to move your character or put them in a different pose - then pop, there goes the shoes poking out every which way and looking like a train wreck. lol If any PA ever figured out how to do a really good "legacy shoes" clone(s) I have a feeling they'd make a bundle! lol
http://sickleyield.deviantart.com/art/A-Reminder-on-Autofitting-Shoes-to-Genesis-2-or-3-412985230
Not for people who want one click solutions ...
Uzilite's Veronica Year Three in a 3delight render (on V3 ...):
The gen 3s had their feet's zero position flat to the ground plane like the Genesis 1s, 2s, and 3s but unlike the gen 4s. The few shoes I have for gen 3s have Auto-Fit-ted reasonalby well.
Just more confirmation that uzilite's stuff is awesome. I would never have guessed that it converts that well!
Ahhh I think I might be a little psychic. lol http://www.daz3d.com/stylized-megan-character-and-hair-for-genesis-3-female-s
Not Kimberly but close. :)