Heard a rumor about V8
TY3DArt
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I heard it was in the development stage... is this true? If so this would be very - very tough. V4- V5 didn't even last- V6 maybe a little over a year- V7 now I am hearing of V8 - Gen4? This is costly, and constantly having to buy clothes, hair, poses, utilities... :( not good news if it is true.
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'Heard' from who?
Someone at Daz? That would be very unlikely.
If not Daz they're at best speculating.
I'm sure there will be a V8, and it may be in production, but we've no idea when. If the same pattern is followed as previously, then the release will be middle of next year, but I don't know, and can offer guesses. Maybe even some speculation if I'm using previous figures release dates to improve my guess work.
Accept that there will be another figure, you can then decide if what it offers is worthwhile to you; what you have won't become obsolete unless you make it so.
..well there's this V8 in the store.
http://www.daz3d.com/v8
You can always continue zo use G7, if that's what you invested in. For example, I'm still using mainly G1 and G2, and also V4/M4 in my renders, because that's what I have most content for. I do have the occasional G3 charater, mostly male, or when they gave away the base character at high discounts (or even free), but G3 is not something I am going to invest in (with some exceptions, like certain morph stuff).
But the consequence of staying with the "legacy" generations is that most of what is "new" in the shop will at one point no longer be for the "legacy" generation, because all the vendors are going for the new generation, because that's where the money is (of course, as everyone has to re-buy everything. Talk about self-fullfilling prophecies
). On the bright side of things, you can pick up content meant for the "discarded" legacy generations at steep discounts, and with that you will have a much larger library at hand.
So, V8 will certainly come, and V9 and V10, and the market will overheat even more, until it will just collapse because no one can afford the hobby any more.
...pretty much still using Gen 5 & 6 as well. To broke to afford a lot of new content (particularly character content to get more skins) for G3 as the structure of the skin mapping changed so it is not directly compatible with older generation skins without some type of commercial conversion utility or script.
I do have Beautiful Skins for G3F which helps a fair bit and waiting on Zev0's Skin Builder Pro3. Both of these will save me a lot of zlotys.
The other store that starts with "R" still tends to release new legacy content. You can even get new Gen4 content there mainly because many of their customers still use Poser.
I'm soooo worried............ not.
If I recall, there was even a build up to a "New V8" before it was introduced, causing a lot of speculation about the new figure. Then it hit the store as a freebie... on April 1st.
That might be what the OP heard about.
That was fun. :)
While I'm pretty sure nothing has been said about Genesis 4, in general each daz figure geenration has done about two years - the fourth generation was an exception.
Next year. That seems to be the cycle. I probably won't buy any more females though. Still have gen 6 figures I haven't really used. I will be picking up the male. Female characters tend to age pretty well in my opinion. Lots more focus in their creation and development. So I don't feel the need this time to run out and make an instabuy.
this uopdating buying cycle is actually pretty strange..marketing.
What you do art with today cant be done tomorrow? or you always need new toys? I have seen some great art completed with Victoria the original, V3, etc. why do we keep buying all the new?
cough cough
Ah V8, she is beautiful! have a look here:
https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/115656/
unfortunately she is only in iray available so I had to change materials to 3delight
Unless a new generation offers something radically different than what we have, meh.
I'm still not on the G7 bandwagon. I bought a few cheap things, but that's about it. There are improvements, but some things that are worse, plus big barriers of compatibility.
The two things that would convince me to upgrade are something more radical, like skin that flows and reacts more to bends (wrinkles, etc), or some more advanced texturing (like every freckle and mark is a decal and they 'float' to the right positions as the body flexes or something).
We're headed closer and closer to photo-realism. Each gen makes strides forward toward that. Look at the rigging of V4 and the weird kinking it does at the joints. Compare the rigging of each gen and the improvements that get made as well as HD bits, subdermal additions, vascularity - each gen gets closer to photo-real. I think that many who create 3D art are after photo-real. It's not just about creating art, for many, but creating totally realistic portrayal of the real world capture in 3D. The next gen will get us closer to that, and I think that's something a lot of people will be interested in.
Expressions are one thing that just aren't there yet with gen 3. As much as I love gen 3 male, his smile is diabolical looking and many of his expressions just aren't realistic. I don't think the facial structure is quite there yet.
A new generation will be welcomed by me. The only reason I would be disappointed would be if products are not cross compatible as they generally are with the other generations, which would be strange as that seems to be what Genesis is about, and probably not a great marketing strategy. I love generation 6, especially in 3delight, and generation 7 is growing on me big time as I get closer to being able to use Iray effectively (and efficiently). I have some great gen 5 figures I still have to port over to gen 6, and figures in both generations I can see myself setting up in gen 7. I love the monsters and creatures from gen 5 and 6 and some of the same created by PA's in gen 7 are brilliant.
If generation 8 was somehow a major departure from the norm and not compatible in any way with what I already have, I would simply have to make decisions about how my art is going to progress from there. At this point it would be pretty simple. Stay with what I've got, keep learning, and see how things pan out. There are certainly plenty of uncertainties in life and developments in CG art applications and addons are no exception. In the end most technology becomes obsolete in form and or function and most of the change is driven by what most people seem to want of what is on offer.
I'm hoping that at some point Daz Studio takes a leap in what the core application offers in the way of dynamics and physical simulations. I want hair and clothing in particular, but also some aspects of environments to fall more into line with the enhanced realism of an engine like Iray. If that meant a big chunk of the product I have purchased became 'obsolete', I would still welcome it with open arms.
I've sort of resigned myself to the fact that things keep changing in this industry, and at an incredibly fast pace. I can't say what I've learned so far has become obsolete in any way yet, and nor has the product that I've purchased. It's all still useable on some level and learning how to modify, update and integrate it has become part of the fun and the challenge. It appears that if I want to continue down the road I'm on, the learning will never stop and the further I go the more I feel that is a good thing.
Bring on V8!
Daz will do what makes Daz money, but I hope they consider buyer fatigue before releasing another generation. I'd like to see Genesis 3 being given a little time to breathe before I'm faced with the choice of having to re-buy all the morph packs, tools, scripts, etc., all over again for (for me) the fifth time (sixth if you count Dawn). Especially if G4 breaks compatibility like G3 did and we have to wait for all of the conversion tools to eventually be created (if they can be at all).
All I know is, if it is coming in the next year as per previous cycles, it had better be a pretty awesome and major improvement.
I appreciate there are some out there who are excited about the prospect of Genesis 4, and I'm sure it'll sell like hot bananas. I just don't personally see a need for it yet.
It would only be natural that DAZ works on next generation figures. The area of 3d technology grows fast.
The sooner they start on the next generation, the better the figure will be by the time it gets released. Because they can take their time and build it into something really worthwhile. So even if they are building it now, it doesnt necessarilly mean it is going to be ready for release anytime soon. DAZ is smart and knows what the market needs. When the tech improvements reach a point where there is a reason to release a new generation, then they will surely do it, and have something really good for us.
Not keeping up with technology is why the other "posing" software lost it's market...the makers just didnt bother to keep up with the tech. DAZ knows better than to fall behind.
I may purchase the base male and female Genesis 4 figures when they are launched if there is some really compelling technological jump but otherwise I find myself kinda "meh" aboout the prospect currently. Like Mrana, I guess I just dont see a need for it any time soon. Theres more than enough between Gen2 and Gen3 to keep me busy for a long time to come.
I've barely dipped into G3 because photorealisim isn't my thing. Still, it would be nice for them to work more on the tech for hair and clothing so that they weren't too far behind the character in terms of improvements.
That said, I'm expecting G4 within 9-12 months. Possibly less. If it has good compatability with G3 (or better yet, G2, but I'm not expecting miracles) I may do more than take it for a spin. If not... G2 stuff and older will end up in the bargain bin more and more, so while I won't get so much new stuff, I'll be able to finally pick up all the old stuff I've been wanting. :)
The base figures are normally free, so a "purchase" of those tends to be a no-brainer.
Im completely undecided about this. I like all the new tech but most of the old tech is still perfectly good. Also, the current tech is starting to outpace my computer. I do not want to find myself in a situation like I did with video games in the 90's which meant everytime a new game came out it was time to upgrade the system. Not to mention the fact that my G3 collection is still very small in contrast to my G2 library. Even smaller in comparison to my gen4 collection.
The new technology is going to have to be really impressive for me to take notice. And im not talking about just the figures. Clothing and especially the hair is going to have to advance as well if im going to continue the investment ive made into my little hobby.
Actually I should have been more clear. I will probably get the Mike and Vicky of Genesis 4 and the associated head and body morphs. Just to play around with it
V4 is still around and going strong.
Just because a new generation is released does not mean you have to stop using your current content. I personally continuned to use Aiko 3 for 9 years until a year after Genesis 2 came out. Once I started using Genesis 2 I completely stopped using Aiko3. While I do have some content for Genesis 3 and have occationaly used it, I am currently prefering Genesis 2 and will continue to use G2 until I see no more reason to.
I would be willing to bet we see v8 next year. New figures especially female ones are big money and gen 3 has been around for a while.
I still use the m3 and v3 when need calls for.
I have to agree with you, Serene Night. I enjoy using the facial ghost bones to easily make a variety of expressions, but smiles in particular just look unconvincing on G3F and G3M if one only uses the bones and base morphs, visemes, and expressions. A smile stretches the mouth, thinning and compressing certain parts of the lips, while widening others, and the Genesis 3 facial skeleton just can't duplicate these subtle nuances.
I only got decent smiles out of G3F once Dimension3D's GenX got updated for the Genesis 3s. Then I moved over expressions by alfan, smay, and SimonWM that I had purchased for Gen1 and G2F.
--MW
Really it comes down to realistic hair, fat, clothing, and muscle movement on G4F / G4M. If they don't have that it'd certainly be just G3F / G3M relabeled for the most part technically.
Maybe it's just me. It seems to me that everytime someone asks or speculates about a new character or generation, people say it's not likely so soon. And sooner than I expect, the subject of speculation becomes reality. But then I'm a Senior Citizen and often don't know what day it is, let alone what I ate for breakfast.
I very much appreciate the sophistication of Genesis 2 and Genesis 3. I'm able to create a large male character that looks human, rather than some warped caricature.
I'm more of a Genesis 2 fan than a Genesis 3- I still don't like the male's upper arms, where IMO they concave instead of convexing out for the muscle and defalte too much where arm sections connect. My spending has dropped except for sets when they go on sale, as I'm loaded up with Gen 2/ Gen 3 women, and Gen 2 men. I do have Genesis 3 males but unless Genesis 4 REALLY tweaks those arms, I am not buying.