Tween Julie 7

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  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    Mada said:
    lx said:
    - Missy Outfit also has a few basic adjustment morphs but they're beautifully colour coded and I like that.

    Just a quick note about the dress - the thighs have handles that move with the figure - you can use the handles to adjust for most poses without morphs. :) I also like that with the handles you can move the dress a bit closer so that it pushes out with smoothing and gives a nice outline of the figure. :) Happy rendering!

    Oh wow, I'm not used to looking for that (also it doesn't appear unless you fit the clothing to a character apparently.) Those are insanely useful (much better than morphs since morphs usually stretch weirdly) ! (Also colour coding makes me so happy.) Sorry I missed that - quick first looks not doing the outfits justice!

    The Kids Casual Skirt also has them, but not the Sunday Morning Dress so far as I could tell.

  • murgatroyd314murgatroyd314 Posts: 1,567

    Has anyone bought her that can check on something? In the promo images there is an odd green in her eyes with a strange cut off spot where the green ends. Is this an issue with the HDRI or is there an odd line in her eyes?

    I'm not sure what it is, but in the renders it looks dreadful. Can anyone who has her confirm if her eyes look like that in your renders?

    That looks to me like it's probably an HDRI issue, given that the cutoff is always in the same place on the reflection, not the same place on the eye.

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996

    Quick test using only bundle items and default lighting. I'm still not convinced by the face texture, but I really like how easy the outfit and hair are to work with.

    test-julie.png
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  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,337

    Mada's designs are really nice and a breath of fresh air.

  • timnaastimnaas Posts: 121
    lx said:

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    SuperKai said:

    The faces of the girls doesn't seem right, they look weird I just can't describe it. I know they suppose to be a styles type, but to be honest she scares me, Brita seems alright.

    All that is an easy fix by adjusting the face morphs.  I've have downsized the lips and made the irises smaller too, so anything is possible. So there are workarounds. Plus, you can always dial out the face too and dail what-ever one you like. Unlike Skyler or Ryan.

    I'm sure someone will come up with different face morphs for her here in the near future, so!

     

    See the problem with that is that if I have to fix bits or buy additional things when they am I paying so much money for the main thing in the first place?

    I like that the body shape actually has slender thighs which no morphs ever seem to cover, though I can't really think of any way to get that onto an adult shape, but something about the face bothers me, too. And it's not that big a deal in general, except that the "deal" for early purchase is asking for an awful lot of money. Maybe it's just Daz's strategies lately making me re-evaluate spending so much money here, but while I'd like to support the character, I'm going to have to pass for now.

     

    lx said:

    ..

    SuperKai said:

    The faces of the girls doesn't seem right, they look weird I just can't describe it. I know they suppose to be a styles type, but to be honest she scares me, Brita seems alright.

    All that is an easy fix by adjusting the face morphs.  I've have downsized the lips and made the irises smaller too, so anything is possible. So there are workarounds. Plus, you can always dial out the face too and dail what-ever one you like. Unlike Skyler or Ryan.

    I'm sure someone will come up with different face morphs for her here in the near future, so!

     

    See the problem with that is that if I have to fix bits or buy additional things when they am I paying so much money for the main thing in the first place?

    I like that the body shape actually has slender thighs which no morphs ever seem to cover, though I can't really think of any way to get that onto an adult shape, but something about the face bothers me, too. And it's not that big a deal in general, except that the "deal" for early purchase is asking for an awful lot of money. Maybe it's just Daz's strategies lately making me re-evaluate spending so much money here, but while I'd like to support the character, I'm going to have to pass for now.

    but isn't that the point to have a base....

    A mold to work from to make what ever you want?

    It's really no different from the base V4!

    no one ever renders V4 from it's base form, right?!, someone always morpher her into what ever they want! Whether it's dial spun from the standard morphs or any thrid party morphs.

    As I recall, you HAD to buy face and body morphs to get more option to morph the base into whatever.

    It's the same thing that has been going on as far as I've been around. Grant it, I've only been doing this since 08 or 09. but that's the way I've always seen it.

    Same thing applies here really!

    It's a base to work from!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    ...I actually like the clothing in the bundles (planning to pick up several of the sets when I can scare up some extra cash).

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    lx said:

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    SuperKai said:

    The faces of the girls doesn't seem right, they look weird I just can't describe it. I know they suppose to be a styles type, but to be honest she scares me, Brita seems alright.

    All that is an easy fix by adjusting the face morphs.  I've have downsized the lips and made the irises smaller too, so anything is possible. So there are workarounds. Plus, you can always dial out the face too and dail what-ever one you like. Unlike Skyler or Ryan.

    I'm sure someone will come up with different face morphs for her here in the near future, so!

     

    See the problem with that is that if I have to fix bits or buy additional things when they am I paying so much money for the main thing in the first place?

    I like that the body shape actually has slender thighs which no morphs ever seem to cover, though I can't really think of any way to get that onto an adult shape, but something about the face bothers me, too. And it's not that big a deal in general, except that the "deal" for early purchase is asking for an awful lot of money. Maybe it's just Daz's strategies lately making me re-evaluate spending so much money here, but while I'd like to support the character, I'm going to have to pass for now.

     

    lx said:

    ..

    SuperKai said:

    The faces of the girls doesn't seem right, they look weird I just can't describe it. I know they suppose to be a styles type, but to be honest she scares me, Brita seems alright.

    All that is an easy fix by adjusting the face morphs.  I've have downsized the lips and made the irises smaller too, so anything is possible. So there are workarounds. Plus, you can always dial out the face too and dail what-ever one you like. Unlike Skyler or Ryan.

    I'm sure someone will come up with different face morphs for her here in the near future, so!

     

    See the problem with that is that if I have to fix bits or buy additional things when they am I paying so much money for the main thing in the first place?

    I like that the body shape actually has slender thighs which no morphs ever seem to cover, though I can't really think of any way to get that onto an adult shape, but something about the face bothers me, too. And it's not that big a deal in general, except that the "deal" for early purchase is asking for an awful lot of money. Maybe it's just Daz's strategies lately making me re-evaluate spending so much money here, but while I'd like to support the character, I'm going to have to pass for now.

    but isn't that the point to have a base....

    A mold to work from to make what ever you want?

    It's really no different from the base V4!

    no one ever renders V4 from it's base form, right?!, someone always morpher her into what ever they want! Whether it's dial spun from the standard morphs or any thrid party morphs.

    As I recall, you HAD to buy face and body morphs to get more option to morph the base into whatever.

    It's the same thing that has been going on as far as I've been around. Grant it, I've only been doing this since 08 or 09. but that's the way I've always seen it.

    Same thing applies here really!

    It's a base to work from!

    My issue with the face is more texture based (I think; still not entirely sure to be honest) than morph based though. (Since there was a sale I did buy the bundle as seen in earlier posts testing things out and have had a chance to test things some more.)

    I understand what you mean with customising but that requires a customisable base, and her mesh doesn't play particularly nicely with shrinking related morphs (although its fine with the scale up types from what I've seen so far.) If you want to make a younger child you're still best off with G3F base + Zev0's Growing Up. I don't think Julie's base figure offers anything that Growing Up doesn't already, other than being a base for Camdyn and Brita. The bundle has good stuff in it so that's fine, but the list price on the base figure is more than double regular figure shapes... and so far Aiko and Bethany are the only G3F models I've seen that really seem to justify that price. I'm not saying "it's not worth buying" or "don't do so" (I did buy it) but I really don't think anyone paying full price for an official figure is getting their money's worth in the majority of cases lately.

    All base figures have fewer texture options, almost never have additional custom morphs anymore, and are more than double the price (compared to PA figures.) Why? I'm not certain there's a good answer to that question. 

  • nightwolf1982nightwolf1982 Posts: 1,226

    OK, not sure if I'm missing something or it didn't install right. But I was looking thought the morphs on the promo page....

    • Tween Julie 7 Character Preset (.DUF)
    • Tween Julie 7 Full Body Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Head Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Fairy Ears
    • Tween Julie 7 Breasts

    I can find all the morphs but the breast morphs. Were those a last minute drop and not removed from the promo page?

    Closest thing I can find in the data folder is mcmtweenjulie7nipples.dsf, which appears to be a correction morph.  Does anyone know what the breast morphs were supposed to do?

  • ThorneThorne Posts: 178
    edited August 2016

    OK, not sure if I'm missing something or it didn't install right. But I was looking thought the morphs on the promo page....

    • Tween Julie 7 Character Preset (.DUF)
    • Tween Julie 7 Full Body Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Head Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Fairy Ears
    • Tween Julie 7 Breasts

    I can find all the morphs but the breast morphs. Were those a last minute drop and not removed from the promo page?

    Closest thing I can find in the data folder is mcmtweenjulie7nipples.dsf, which appears to be a correction morph.  Does anyone know what the breast morphs were supposed to do?

     

    The promo morphs list was made before changes were made to the final figure.  These changes included baking in the breast morph to the base body shape which originally did not have the breasts morphed.  In the final version the base body shape includes the breast morph built in, so the separate breasts morph was no longer required.  There was no additional breast morph in the final figure.

    Each of these figures go through more than one version before the final is released, so it is seems the promo page did not get updated.  Thanks for letting us know!

    Post edited by Thorne on
  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    lx said:

    Quick test using only bundle items and default lighting. I'm still not convinced by the face texture, but I really like how easy the outfit and hair are to work with.

     

    Really nice Ix; as ever with the younger characters from Daz, they have weird eyes; I'm not sure what it is (as the eyes are slightly larger in relation to the head in younger people) but they strike me as odd, and often creepy. I'm on the fence about the creepy aspect this time.

  • ThorneThorne Posts: 178

    OK, not sure if I'm missing something or it didn't install right. But I was looking thought the morphs on the promo page....

    • Tween Julie 7 Character Preset (.DUF)
    • Tween Julie 7 Full Body Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Head Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Fairy Ears
    • Tween Julie 7 Breasts

    I can find all the morphs but the breast morphs. Were those a last minute drop and not removed from the promo page?

    I explained just above here how that happened,  The original l breast morph got built into the base shape in the final version.  The product page wasn't updated however, sorry about that.

  • mrposermrposer Posts: 1,134

    Nobody liked me either.. who cares... don't let it bother you Julie... Hmmm....maybe she needs a friend to hold her hand and show her around town

    - Cory 

  • Thorne said:

    OK, not sure if I'm missing something or it didn't install right. But I was looking thought the morphs on the promo page....

    • Tween Julie 7 Character Preset (.DUF)
    • Tween Julie 7 Full Body Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Head Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Fairy Ears
    • Tween Julie 7 Breasts

    I can find all the morphs but the breast morphs. Were those a last minute drop and not removed from the promo page?

    I explained just above here how that happened,  The original l breast morph got built into the base shape in the final version.  The product page wasn't updated however, sorry about that.

    Thanks for the explanation, Thorne. It's kinda disappointing that it got baked in, but I guess I'll get over it.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Thorne said:

    OK, not sure if I'm missing something or it didn't install right. But I was looking thought the morphs on the promo page....

    • Tween Julie 7 Character Preset (.DUF)
    • Tween Julie 7 Full Body Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Head Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Fairy Ears
    • Tween Julie 7 Breasts

    I can find all the morphs but the breast morphs. Were those a last minute drop and not removed from the promo page?

    I explained just above here how that happened,  The original l breast morph got built into the base shape in the final version.  The product page wasn't updated however, sorry about that.

    Thanks for the explanation, Thorne. It's kinda disappointing that it got baked in, but I guess I'll get over it.

    Yup.

    I now won't be buying the product, as it is now less versatile.

  • nightwolf1982nightwolf1982 Posts: 1,226

    Thanks for explaining the breast morph, Thorne.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,581
    lx said:

    ..

    SuperKai said:

    The faces of the girls doesn't seem right, they look weird I just can't describe it. I know they suppose to be a styles type, but to be honest she scares me, Brita seems alright.

    All that is an easy fix by adjusting the face morphs.  I've have downsized the lips and made the irises smaller too, so anything is possible. So there are workarounds. Plus, you can always dial out the face too and dail what-ever one you like. Unlike Skyler or Ryan.

    I'm sure someone will come up with different face morphs for her here in the near future, so!

     

    See the problem with that is that if I have to fix bits or buy additional things when they am I paying so much money for the main thing in the first place?

    I like that the body shape actually has slender thighs which no morphs ever seem to cover, though I can't really think of any way to get that onto an adult shape, but something about the face bothers me, too. And it's not that big a deal in general, except that the "deal" for early purchase is asking for an awful lot of money. Maybe it's just Daz's strategies lately making me re-evaluate spending so much money here, but while I'd like to support the character, I'm going to have to pass for now.

     

    lx said:

    ..

    SuperKai said:

    The faces of the girls doesn't seem right, they look weird I just can't describe it. I know they suppose to be a styles type, but to be honest she scares me, Brita seems alright.

    All that is an easy fix by adjusting the face morphs.  I've have downsized the lips and made the irises smaller too, so anything is possible. So there are workarounds. Plus, you can always dial out the face too and dail what-ever one you like. Unlike Skyler or Ryan.

    I'm sure someone will come up with different face morphs for her here in the near future, so!

     

    See the problem with that is that if I have to fix bits or buy additional things when they am I paying so much money for the main thing in the first place?

    I like that the body shape actually has slender thighs which no morphs ever seem to cover, though I can't really think of any way to get that onto an adult shape, but something about the face bothers me, too. And it's not that big a deal in general, except that the "deal" for early purchase is asking for an awful lot of money. Maybe it's just Daz's strategies lately making me re-evaluate spending so much money here, but while I'd like to support the character, I'm going to have to pass for now.

    but isn't that the point to have a base....

    A mold to work from to make what ever you want?

    It's really no different from the base V4!

    no one ever renders V4 from it's base form, right?!, someone always morpher her into what ever they want! Whether it's dial spun from the standard morphs or any thrid party morphs.

    As I recall, you HAD to buy face and body morphs to get more option to morph the base into whatever.

    It's the same thing that has been going on as far as I've been around. Grant it, I've only been doing this since 08 or 09. but that's the way I've always seen it.

    Same thing applies here really!

    It's a base to work from!

    If you look at DA and other sites, it is surprising how many people use the default figure for their characters, ie default texture and shape, no extra morphs used. This is particularly true for male characters, I have seen the default M4 appear in countless images, but default V4 also appears. Some people are more intested in the story (or whatever) they are trying to express, rather than making the characters look unique.

  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,337
    edited August 2016
    Havos said:
    lx said:

    If you look at DA and other sites, it is surprising how many people use the default figure for their characters, ie default texture and shape, no extra morphs used. This is particularly true for male characters, I have seen the default M4 appear in countless images, but default V4 also appears. Some people are more intested in the story (or whatever) they are trying to express, rather than making the characters look unique.

    Many people simply use Daz figures the way you'd hire a model or actor that already has the look you were wanting.  The scene is what is important to them.  This is one of the reasons you have a lot of people who are continually asking for more varied characters to choose from.  They are into the end result, not necessarily morphing, spinning dials and learning the inner workings of Daz Studio in order to realize this image they have in their head except were absolutely necessary.

    Post edited by nelsonsmith on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    Thanks for explaining the breast morph, Thorne.

    ...would the Chest Adjustments from Growing Up work?

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    kyoto kid said:

    Thanks for explaining the breast morph, Thorne.

    ...would the Chest Adjustments from Growing Up work?

    I've had poor luck with that. My guess is you'd either have to make your own custom morph or fix any clothing issues afterwards.

    Old Julie was great - a default morph with a flat chest and then 4 different breast morphs - very easy to use the character shape to make a variety of younger or older characters.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    ...I agree about Julie 5. Of the seven pics I posted on the previous page, I feel the Julie 5 version had the most accurate physique for my character. Josie 7's face I think comes closest to the drawings I did. Need to get the GenX update so I can combine the two.
  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,277
    edited August 2016

    I finally finished the big project I've been working on all week and had a chance to pull Tween Julie out.  First thoughts -1.  She looks a lot like a young Christina Ricci (circa Casper/Adams Family Values). 2. SHE DOESN'T COME WITH ANY NAIL POLISH OPTIONS????  That's pretty much the first makeup related thing girls are encouraged to try these days, so I had to steal them from another character.  3. She renders great, poses nicely and seems to work well with products made for the adult figures.  4.  She informed me that she's getting really sick and tired of everyone posting "cute" pictures of her, so I let her pose the way she wanted to for this test image.  Straight Iray render, no retouch or PSD except to drop in white background and shrink image.

     

    Tween Julie test 1.jpg
    1060 x 1500 - 513K
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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133

    I finally finished the big project I've been working on all week and had a chance to pull Tween Julie out.  First thoughts -1.  She looks a lot like a young Christina Ricci (circa Casper/Adams Family Values). 2. SHE DOESN'T COME WITH ANY NAIL POLISH OPTIONS????  That's pretty much the first makeup related thing girls are encouraged to try these days, so I had to steal them from another character.  3. She renders great, poses nicely and seems to work well with products made for the adult figures.  4.  She informed me that she's getting really sick and tired of everyone posting "cute" pictures of her, so I let her pose the way she wanted to for this test image.  Straight Iray render, no retouch or PSD except to drop in white background and shrink image.

     

    Love it! That's the most realistic render I've seen of her. I'm still on the fence about her because I thought she looked too doll/stylized looking and I already have all the Handspan morphs if I want to create that look, but she looks so much more realistic here!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    I finally finished the big project I've been working on all week and had a chance to pull Tween Julie out.  First thoughts -1.  She looks a lot like a young Christina Ricci (circa Casper/Adams Family Values). 2. SHE DOESN'T COME WITH ANY NAIL POLISH OPTIONS????  That's pretty much the first makeup related thing girls are encouraged to try these days, so I had to steal them from another character.  3. She renders great, poses nicely and seems to work well with products made for the adult figures.  4.  She informed me that she's getting really sick and tired of everyone posting "cute" pictures of her, so I let her pose the way she wanted to for this test image.  Straight Iray render, no retouch or PSD except to drop in white background and shrink image.

     

    ...give her a slightly narrower face with ginger hair and that would be my Leela.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,723

    I finally finished the big project I've been working on all week and had a chance to pull Tween Julie out.  First thoughts -1.  She looks a lot like a young Christina Ricci (circa Casper/Adams Family Values). 2. SHE DOESN'T COME WITH ANY NAIL POLISH OPTIONS????  That's pretty much the first makeup related thing girls are encouraged to try these days, so I had to steal them from another character.  3. She renders great, poses nicely and seems to work well with products made for the adult figures.  4.  She informed me that she's getting really sick and tired of everyone posting "cute" pictures of her, so I let her pose the way she wanted to for this test image.  Straight Iray render, no retouch or PSD except to drop in white background and shrink image.

     

    That is a very scary render. It looks like a member of the Hitler Youth.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,277
    edited August 2016

    And here's a nice reason to pick up Julie even if you've already got Josie - she dials back into a totally different kind of teen.  With the body dials set at .56 and the head at .65, she's a lot less curvy than Josie... kind of a Willow to Josie's Buffy.   

     

     

    Tween Julie test 2.jpg
    1060 x 1500 - 530K
    Post edited by Cybersox on
  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,277

    I finally finished the big project I've been working on all week and had a chance to pull Tween Julie out.  First thoughts -1.  She looks a lot like a young Christina Ricci (circa Casper/Adams Family Values). 2. SHE DOESN'T COME WITH ANY NAIL POLISH OPTIONS????  That's pretty much the first makeup related thing girls are encouraged to try these days, so I had to steal them from another character.  3. She renders great, poses nicely and seems to work well with products made for the adult figures.  4.  She informed me that she's getting really sick and tired of everyone posting "cute" pictures of her, so I let her pose the way she wanted to for this test image.  Straight Iray render, no retouch or PSD except to drop in white background and shrink image.

     

    That is a very scary render. It looks like a member of the Hitler Youth.

    What can I say?  Two of the outfits in the Starter Bundle came with Skull textures, so obviously Julie has bit of a dark side. :)    

  • I purchased the pro bundle with the face it little miss and expression pack to get the discount. She's a decent addition to the base pantheon, and I'm very happy with the content. However, I would echo sentiments about thestylization of her face O,O.T.B. but she's much closer to reality, than many other recent base figures, The thing is, I recal with most of the base G2F base new releases. and even the earlyG3F's,there would be a good weeks stretch of new clothes, poses, morphs, and hair sets, released daily as specificly geared for the new base character. As is the recent "Let's keep it moving here" trend, they have thrown her out into the world, and then orphaned her with only the day one content. Child Abandonment I say! LOL. I just wish they had provide a bit more for her. Most of the G3F clothes and poses are a bit 12 yo inappropriate. All in all, it is a great deal, and she really is a wonderful figure. I just wish there were more content support for her.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited August 2016

    I purchased the pro bundle with the face it little miss and expression pack to get the discount. She's a decent addition to the base pantheon, and I'm very happy with the content. However, I would echo sentiments about thestylization of her face O,O.T.B. but she's much closer to reality, than many other recent base figures, The thing is, I recal with most of the base G2F base new releases. and even the earlyG3F's,there would be a good weeks stretch of new clothes, poses, morphs, and hair sets, released daily as specificly geared for the new base character. As is the recent "Let's keep it moving here" trend, they have thrown her out into the world, and then orphaned her with only the day one content. Child Abandonment I say! LOL. I just wish they had provide a bit more for her. Most of the G3F clothes and poses are a bit 12 yo inappropriate. All in all, it is a great deal, and she really is a wonderful figure. I just wish there were more content support for her.

    Depends if you're asking the 12yo or the parent. :) And in both instances, will also depending on the person.

    @Cybersox13

    Best render I've seen, and the first to make me reconsider when the character comes on offer.

    Post edited by nicstt on
  • mambanegramambanegra Posts: 594
    Thorne said:

    OK, not sure if I'm missing something or it didn't install right. But I was looking thought the morphs on the promo page....

    • Tween Julie 7 Character Preset (.DUF)
    • Tween Julie 7 Full Body Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Head Shape
    • Tween Julie 7 Fairy Ears
    • Tween Julie 7 Breasts

    I can find all the morphs but the breast morphs. Were those a last minute drop and not removed from the promo page?

    Closest thing I can find in the data folder is mcmtweenjulie7nipples.dsf, which appears to be a correction morph.  Does anyone know what the breast morphs were supposed to do?

     

    The promo morphs list was made before changes were made to the final figure.  These changes included baking in the breast morph to the base body shape which originally did not have the breasts morphed.  In the final version the base body shape includes the breast morph built in, so the separate breasts morph was no longer required.  There was no additional breast morph in the final figure.

    Each of these figures go through more than one version before the final is released, so it is seems the promo page did not get updated.  Thanks for letting us know!

    Thorne, is it possible to add those morphs back into the package so that folks that want to change an adult version of G3F to have a smaller breasts? 

  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,337

    I finally finished the big project I've been working on all week and had a chance to pull Tween Julie out.  First thoughts -1.  She looks a lot like a young Christina Ricci (circa Casper/Adams Family Values). 2. SHE DOESN'T COME WITH ANY NAIL POLISH OPTIONS????  That's pretty much the first makeup related thing girls are encouraged to try these days, so I had to steal them from another character.  3. She renders great, poses nicely and seems to work well with products made for the adult figures.  4.  She informed me that she's getting really sick and tired of everyone posting "cute" pictures of her, so I let her pose the way she wanted to for this test image.  Straight Iray render, no retouch or PSD except to drop in white background and shrink image.

     

    Great render, and this is a prime example of why I often wait to see what the users are doing with a figure that I'm on the fence about.  Sometimes the promo pics don't give the whole story of what a character can actually look like.

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