SubService Stream Daz content for $29.99 a Month
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sounds appealing don't it? Thats what I wished Daz would do. Like a Netflix of Daz content. There is SOOO much stuff at daz if I bought it all my computer would be worth more then my house. lol
It's unrealistic to expect people to have that kind of money. If Daz made a subscription service, using the new 4.9 features. I think a lot of people would jump on that ship and they would make a lot and a lot of money and the customers would be really happy. I think it would cut back on a lot of pirating too. I think everyone could benifit from this service. One of the leading reasons why this would be nice is because I see something I need for a render I'm making but I don't get paid for another 3 weeks... If I had a Subservice for 30.00 a month I could just download it, and comtinue on with my art project. Maybe have a rule that it's only good for things older then 12 months old. That way new content is still being created and sold individually, but old stuff is stll worth stockpiling and keeping. I doubt the sells for old poser props from 2010 sell often, but could be given a new purpose that generates income again.
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Not to me, though I'm sure there are some folks that would jump at it. I'll stay with buying stuff when I can afford it.
So are you going to have a subscription service for Daz Originals, and another for each of the PAs? Or do you just want Daz Originals on a subscription?
I'm not sure how that all works and that would have to come down to the individual artist. Some Content Creators may want this. Others may not. I think it would be fair to make it a voluntary thing,. But access to Daz Orignals, is a Yes.
The Benifit of this for PA's is that they are still generating income from old props they made, years ago that hasnt seen customers in years.
I am sorry, it just would not work out at all. There have been several other threads suggesting this, and in each of them you have all the logical answers as to why a brokerage like DAZ 3D would not work on a subscription service. Have you ever checked the vendor list, to see how many PAs there are. Also some of the software offered in the store is 3rd party software. Think of DAZ 3D as a Shopping Mall and then try and imagine how you would make a system like this work in a Shopping Mall.
The same way Netflix does. They pay for the rights to add a movie to their list.
Not for me either, I am anti subcription anything if I can help it, main reason I haven't upgraded my 3dsmax version. You would need a large enough base of subscribers to make it more profitable than the amount of users just purchasing content like we do now and this community is just too small for that.
As for a deterent to piracy, I doubt it. Many of the files on torrent sites are there from a legit buyer that wants to be "liked" by the other torrent users and 'shares" the files he has. A subscription would just give these idiots faster access.
There really isn't that much here when you have been here awhile and have been a member of the PC club for awhile. You only signed up in 2013, give it a few more years, LOL.
There isnt a big crowd because of how much money it costs to do any of this stuff. The popularity of Daz would skyrocket if it was affordable to the common person.
Daz is going to the opposite direction of becoming affordable. It's slowing turning into a richmans hobby...Ecomonics 1 o 1 says Daz will fail at this rate and I would hate to see that. I'm sure they would rather have 50,000 subs paying 30.00 a month. Then 50 people paying 300.00 a month
I can't imagine anything like this to work.
I create a cover for a book, and have to be a subscriber for the rest of my life to have the license to use the image on the book cover? Or stop selling the book as soon as my subscription here runs out? Or do I only need to subscribe once, for $30, and download every single item in the store within a month, and be able to use them forever?
The latter option sounds really nice, but I don't think any artist would get into such a deal.
Steaming the content. Like netflix. Only instead of it generating pixels for a movie. It's generating geomety and textures. More complex things have been created by humans.
I cant pirate netflix shows, now can i? It's kinda the same thing...
That is only if you let it. This is 3D, there are tons of models on the web, free models in this community, tons of modeling and textures apps, lots of them free, so there is alot you can do free inside of DS. DAZ has been working on it's business model for awhile and it seems to be working fine. With all the sales they have and the ridiculously generous return policy I am surprised they are still in business.
I'm pretty sure if people had access to nice models and skins and real props they wouldnt be turned off by the 30.00 a month. This is just an idea in my own head. I know it wont happen though. One can dream though, right? :)
And it works for netflix because most of the money goes to the studio and then gets trickled down to the the artists themselves. But the amount the artist gets is based on when that title is ordered, which determines how much they get in royalties. My next door neighbor was an actor in one of the last Porky's movies and I was over doing some computer work for him and he received his royalty check. You know how much it was?
Five Dollars.
I pull way more from that in content sales in a slow month because I have a large back catalog and that's how other PAs earn their money as well. There's absolutely no incentive to switch to something that gets pennies on the dollar.
As others has said in this thread it's not a practical solution for a brokerage where PAs are not their employees nor DAZ owns their products.
This idea has failed everywhere it has been tried: Power World, Poser Style... there's another one I can't think of.
I'm mostly happy with the current model (and definitely view myself as a 'common person'!). The only thing I don't like about it is that all rights to the thousands of dollars worth of content on my hard drive die when I do. You can't pass on to your children the tools and assets that were bought via DS to run a digital illustration venture in the same way you can pass on the assets of - for example - a dressmaking or aromatherapy retail venture. I don't think about that often, but I do think about it. I think about a monthly subscription model just about never.
I'm getting a little offtopic here, but if the company (venture) is the buyer, then it is a legal entity, and it does not matter who the current owner of that company is. The company can change owners, and still be able to use all licensed items. The downside of this, of course, is that if you sell the company, you won't be able to use those items.
So, the biggest question here is. Is a monthly sub a thing you would enjoy, if it was functional and worked and everyone got paid fairly?
No interest whatever. I don't license content, I purchase a copy to use as I wish, as long as I wish, within the terms and conditions in force at the time of purchase.
I can't imagine this would be a very good idea. How would it be possible to "stream" DAZ assetts? Would they just dissappear after you finished the render? What if one month you couldn't pay the fee, would all the items just go away? Or stop working? How could the vendors possibly make a living off of a tiny one time fee paid to DAZ? I really don't think this could ever work with DAZ. I know I sure wouln't take part if such a thing would occur. I'd use freebies and shop elsewhere.
Errr... http://www.daz3d.com/eula
"The online Daz store offers for sale a license to Content owned or licensed by Daz and/or a license to Content owned or licensed by third-party published artists (“PA”)."
I prefer to own. Even when the time comes that I become unemployed I would still have them to play around with. I can no longer do that if I have to pay a monthly subscription when unemployed. Besides that, $29.99 a month would be highway robbery to the PAs,
LOL!! Every episode of every netflix show appears on the torrent sites with 3-8 hours after its broadcast.
Daz pricing is quite competitve for the quality we get in Daz3D Content compared to the other application specific 3D outlets and there is Zero cost in having the latest verion of the program.
IMHO the biggest potential peril, looming on the horizon for Daz ,is its frankly inept efforts ,thus far ,at capitalizing on the multi-billion dollar gaming industry,
That is the growth market going forward and so far the "Morph3d" venture is looking like a weak rehash of their "impulse buyer" based strategy at the store here, heavily dependant upon selling that same Idealized Northern European archetypes that are heavily promoted here to still render web gallery uploaders.
I am not sure they have a true grasp of the gaming content market.
the only way I could see the Daz PA's getting paid" fairly" for their labor under such a scheme is the bascily make them salaried staff
where all the content remains property of the "company"
the same way the "gaffer" or sound guy working on "Ray Donovan"gets the same pay respectively unrelated to the number of people who buy episodes of the show on netflix.
And in such a case Daz is no longer a brokerage and its businees model has to change radically..Not likely IMHO.
I started developing my first android game and needed some consitant graphics to replace all the placeholders I had used. Before I found Daz, I found Maximo. They had models, cool. You picked the model you wanted and dropped it into a rigger and animator, cool. Then exported your animation, easy.
The only problem is there was a monthly subscription to keep using anything, not cool and definately does not fit my erratic extra cash fund. Had to pass on it because often I don't have the funds to put towards something but I need to be able to still work in the meantime. Fortunately I found Daz.
mmm ok. I guess this idea would only suit me. Neber mind. :P
No it wouldn't just be you. I have suggested this very thing before and would pay $100/month without batting an eye for my art to not be limited by what I currently own. Only customers truly understand this limitation and how stifling it can be. I'll never understand what the great fear is of subscription services either.
Angel - Wings, I know you mean well, and hearing the idea without putting a lot of thought in it, I can see how it sounds like a cool idea. For the customer, perhaps it would be a great thing. It's just not practical from the POV of the content creators and likely not Daz itself, either. I just wanted to leave you a quick message to let you know that I recognize you are just trying to think outside the box and have a good idea (in a different world, it sounds fantastic). Even if it was $xx.xx per month with a download limit imposed, it would still be a nightmare for content creators, and we would very quickly find ourselves moving on to a different occupation.
I'm sorry you have been met with such fervent disagreement... hope you realize nobody is being mean about it :) We just realize the bigger picture, that's all.
The same thing that keeps people from buying Encrypted DAZ Connect items; DRM.
And I could argue all night about how silly that fear is as well, but we've already had massive discussions on that topic.
I don't think fear has anything to do with it; the content market is already undervalued as it is. You're not going to convince content developers to make less money so customers can get a cut rate deal. The idea is not financially feasible for the content developer side.
The entire success of the idea is predicated on the idea that the market is larger than it is by at least two orders of magnitude. It isn't, it really, really isn't.
Actually, the popularity would remain as it is, or grow maybe slightly... but 3D isnt something exactly mainstream. Only ppl interested in 3D will take up 3D. But thats to say nothing of those who want to paint instead. Thats like saying crayons are affordable, so everyone is a crayola artist. Its a medium, and as such, its only going to interest a portion of the art industry.
And sadly, hobbies are expensive. Ever look at model trains? Model cars? We used to do buildable model airplanes.... and ours, which was cheap, was a 500$ airplane. Which was wrecked while flying it lol (actually, landing to be more accurate) Just to put things in perspective, this isn't the priciest hobby you could have. Want more perspective? Look up Turbo Squid. Honestly, for as much work as goes in to this, I personally think its priced a little low. I know its hard for customers to understand that, though, coz you cant exactly see that part. And I understand wanting to get things cheaper. But while you guys might save some money, we would be straight out of a job. Which would mean no one would be filling that sub service.
Also... Ive been doing this 12 yrs... and DAZ only has grown since my inception. And it was a big deal when I first started too. Economics 101 says that if you give away the cow, you will starve to death being nice. Just being honest here.
I know you mean well... it would just be incredibly hard to implement this, without making it so PA's would have to quit and get a different job. It just wouldnt be viable.