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  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995
    edited June 2016
    Jan19 said:

    So there's no W10 Professional or Business version?  I guess that'd explain why some business owners seem unfamiliar w/W10. 

    There is a Windows 10 Professional.  If you have W7 Professional you get the W10 Professional as the update.

    EDIT:  The Professional versions allow you to control the times, or if, updates occur.  THe home version does not.  If you run renders overnight, and you're on W10 Home, then your renders are at risk.

    Kendall

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  • Jan19Jan19 Posts: 1,109
    Kendall Sears said:
    Jan19 said:

    So there's no W10 Professional or Business version?  I guess that'd explain why some business owners seem unfamiliar w/W10. 

    There is a Windows 10 Professional.  If you have W7 Professional you get the W10 Professional as the update.

    EDIT:  The Professional versions allow you to control the times, or if, updates occur.  THe home version does not.  If you run renders overnight, and you're on W10 Home, then your renders are at risk.

    Kendall

    Tell me about it. smiley​ 

    Thanks for the info.

     

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,258

    There are actually 6 Windows 10 versions, 2 are mobile versions though. The Enterprise version is probably what you'd call the Business version.

    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

     

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,258
    edited June 2016
    Jan19 said:
    Kendall Sears said:
    Jan19 said:

    So there's no W10 Professional or Business version?  I guess that'd explain why some business owners seem unfamiliar w/W10. 

    There is a Windows 10 Professional.  If you have W7 Professional you get the W10 Professional as the update.

    EDIT:  The Professional versions allow you to control the times, or if, updates occur.  THe home version does not.  If you run renders overnight, and you're on W10 Home, then your renders are at risk.

    Kendall

    Tell me about it. smiley​ 

    Thanks for the info.

    Same with Power options in earlier versions of Windows (not sure about Windows 10) - if you have set it to Sleep after X minutes of user inactivity (mouse/keyboard), they'll go to sleep even if you are playing a video or downloading stuff.  Really stupid. Don't know if it affects renders also (I always have power options set to Never Sleep).

     

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  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995
    edited June 2016
    Taozen said:

    There are actually 6 Windows 10 versions, 2 are mobile versions though. The Enterprise version is probably what you'd call the Business version.

    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/Compare

     

    Enterprise is for Enterprises.  Anything "Professional" and above are for Commercial and/or Business use.  The "Home" version is for Home or Educational use.

    EDIT:  The "Education" on the chart provided is for Educational Institutions not Individuals.

    Kendall

    Post edited by Kendall Sears on
  • Jan19Jan19 Posts: 1,109

    This is going in a slightly different direction, but does anyone find that Edge is slightly crippled, after some updates?  On my computer, it wants to open then stick.  It takes a forced close out and re-opening to get it to work.

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,455
    namffuak said:
    Kendall Sears said:
    3delinquent said:

    How does business handle it? Do you just make sure the computer is offline before you start something you can't afford to be interrupted? Can there still be already downloaded updates that will install when W10 decides it's a good time even if you're offline?

    Ummm.  As far as Microsoft is concerned using a "Home" version for business is outside the EULA.  If using Windows (any version) for Commercial or Business purposes you are expected to buy a "Professional" or better license.

    Kendall

    And there are other constraints. The outfit I retired from is running the SAP/R3 ERP package on an Oracle database on IBM RS/6000 servers. SAP (if you want support) dictates what version of internet explorer and MS-Office you will run. AFAIK, they just finished rolling out Windows 7 late last year. Based on past experience, I'd bet that SAP isn't even looking at Windows 10 yet.

    I have a copy of the SAP R4 Basis system (it was provided with an ABAP book I purchased some years ago, when I had reason to believe that I would need to learn at least the basics of SAP, in order to write interface code for .NET), that I run on an old, first-generation Mac Mini, and is installed on a BootCamp Windows XP (SP3) partition.  (It was the only version of Windows that the SAP installer would recognize.)  There is absolutely no way in Hell that I am ever going to upgrade either OS on that machine -- neither Windows XP, nor OSX 10.6.

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,455
    Jan19 said:

    This is going in a slightly different direction, but does anyone find that Edge is slightly crippled, after some updates?  On my computer, it wants to open then stick.  It takes a forced close out and re-opening to get it to work.

    I quit using Edge after about a week of unrelenting Hell-on-Earth, after upgrading.  (I was one of those 'early adopters' you hear so much about.)
    IE 11 is available in the Accessories folder; that's what I use, and I have it 'stickied' to my task bar.

    I flat-out refuse to use Edge, for any purpose, under any circumstances.

     

     

  • Jan19Jan19 Posts: 1,109
    Ken OBanion said:
    Jan19 said:

    This is going in a slightly different direction, but does anyone find that Edge is slightly crippled, after some updates?  On my computer, it wants to open then stick.  It takes a forced close out and re-opening to get it to work.

    I quit using Edge after about a week of unrelenting Hell-on-Earth, after upgrading.  (I was one of those 'early adopters' you hear so much about.)
    IE 11 is available in the Accessories folder; that's what I use, and I have it 'stickied' to my task bar.

    I flat-out refuse to use Edge, for any purpose, under any circumstances.

    I understand the feeling. :-)  There was something I liked about Edge, at one point, but I've forgotten what it was.  Sometimes I get tired of fighting with it and just go to Explorer, too.

     

  • 3WC3WC Posts: 1,140

    I just read an article claiming that if you sign up for the free Windows 10 and actually upgrade, then Microsoft has your computer on file.  You can revert back to Windows 7 or 8 (whatever you have).  Then whenever you want you can always upgrade again for free to Windows 10, as they have your activation info. (This is assuming you have a legit activated version of your current Windows version).

    I'm hoping this is true, as I already did this.  Upgraded (against my will, actually) and then reverted to Win7.  I'm just not ready to take the plunge yet with all the problems I read about concerning Windows 10, but I would like to think it is still an option for the future.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    Taozen said:

    I always create images of my system partitions when they are working well, then I can recover them very quickly if something goes wrong.

    In general, never put data on your system drive, only programs, then you won't lose anything if Windows update mess up something or the system breaks down and needs to be restored, and data are always up to date if you restore/reinstall the system without having to restore them from a backup. Programs can easily be updated after a restore if you have copies of the installers on a separate drive. 

    And of course, always back up any important data, in any case. 

     

     

    This is great advice for anything computer .. not just windows 10. :)

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,843
    Jan19 said:

    So there's no W10 Professional or Business version?  I guess that'd explain why some business owners seem unfamiliar w/W10. 

    yes there is, I am running Windows 10 pro and there are even more business versions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions

     

  • Jan19Jan19 Posts: 1,109
    FSMCDesigns said:
    Jan19 said:

    So there's no W10 Professional or Business version?  I guess that'd explain why some business owners seem unfamiliar w/W10. 

    yes there is, I am running Windows 10 pro and there are even more business versions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions

    OK. smiley​  Thanks for the link.

    I just read an article claiming that if you sign up for the free Windows 10 and actually upgrade, then Microsoft has your computer on file.  You can revert back to Windows 7 or 8 (whatever you have).  Then whenever you want you can always upgrade again for free to Windows 10, as they have your activation info. (This is assuming you have a legit activated version of your current Windows version).

    I'm hoping this is true, as I already did this.  Upgraded (against my will, actually) and then reverted to Win7.  I'm just not ready to take the plunge yet with all the problems I read about concerning Windows 10, but I would like to think it is still an option for the future.

    There actually aren't that many drastic problems with Win 10, at least in my case.  Just annoying ones, like software makers claiming their product isn't compatible w/W10 yet, the frequent updates, and the Edge quirks that do set my teeth on edge (no pun intended). :-)  But if you don't feel happy about upgrading, waiting would be the thing to do. 

     

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,996
    edited June 2016

    For those new to Windows 10, I recommend Classic Shell - http://www.classicshell.net/ - to give you the classic Start Menu and more back.

     

    I also recommend these two other programs

     

    Ultimate Windows Tweaker 4 for Windows 10

    http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultimate-windows-tweaker-4-windows-10

     

    FixWin for Windows 10

    http://www.thewindowsclub.com/fixwin-for-windows-10

    Post edited by Mattymanx on
  • linvanchenelinvanchene Posts: 1,386
    edited June 2016

    I add this in the windows 10 thread because I have the impression that still not many on this board may be aware:

     

    Windows 10 VRAM reservation

    IF you are using windows 10 then 20-25% of your video card memory is reserved by windows 10 and cannot be used by any other software, game or render engine.

    Examples:

    6 GB VRAM card leave you with 4.7 GB. (tested and confirmed myself)

    12 GB VRAM card leave you with 8.7 GB (reported by others)

    8 GB VRAM card may leave you with around 6.7 GB of useable VRAM. (speculation)

    - - -

    State of things Jun 15, 2016:

    Otoy received the following statement by Nvidia:

    "It appears that in Win 10, with the Windows Display Driver Model v2, processes will be assigned budgets for how much memory they can keep resident. What we are noticing is that WDDMv2 started to impose a limit on total process allocation size. This is briefly mentioned here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn932169(v=vs.85).aspx "

    Nvidia is investigating but are not sure how to work around this limitation.

    source:

    https://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=51992&start=20#p279386

    - - -

    So keep that in mind when upgrading to windows 10.

    - - -

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  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,409

    So it sounds like a low-cost card just to drive the monitor(s) is a good idea for Windows 10 for us non-gamers.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,857

    ...just one more reason to not downgrade to W10.

    The other issue I learned about yesterday, if you have an older CPU (like I do) the W10 graphics could cause conflicts with older CPUs/BIOS which could result in damaging the system. It's happened to several people who have Sandy Bridge or older i7s.

  • Jan19Jan19 Posts: 1,109
    kyoto kid said:

    ...just one more reason to not downgrade to W10.

    The other issue I learned about yesterday, if you have an older CPU (like I do) the W10 graphics could cause conflicts with older CPUs/BIOS which could result in damaging the system. It's happened to several people who have Sandy Bridge or older i7s.

    I certainly hope my i7 is not a Sandy Bridge. :-)

     

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,258
    Taozen said:
    Jan19 said:
    Kendall Sears said:
    Jan19 said:

    So there's no W10 Professional or Business version?  I guess that'd explain why some business owners seem unfamiliar w/W10. 

    There is a Windows 10 Professional.  If you have W7 Professional you get the W10 Professional as the update.

    EDIT:  The Professional versions allow you to control the times, or if, updates occur.  THe home version does not.  If you run renders overnight, and you're on W10 Home, then your renders are at risk.

    Kendall

    Tell me about it. smiley​ 

    Thanks for the info.

    Same with Power options in earlier versions of Windows (not sure about Windows 10) - if you have set it to Sleep after X minutes of user inactivity (mouse/keyboard), they'll go to sleep even if you are playing a video or downloading stuff.  Really stupid. Don't know if it affects renders also (I always have power options set to Never Sleep).

    Just tested this in Windows 10 - it does the same. Noticed by the way that the "Elapsed time" counter in DS also counts the time where the machine has been sleeping...

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