The prices are getting out of hand
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On top of that, I can easily put 4 items in my cart from my wishlist here and be at $22 or less (I can even limit that to stuff not on sale)
I have a suspicion that I could buy quite a large wardrobe before I came close to the cost of Marvelous Designer.
My rule is nothing less than 66% off, here, unless it's something I JUST MUST HAVE or really need for something that pays (which is almost never)
Yes I normally put things in my wishlist, and wait for them to go on sale.
It's 60.00 a month, I don't think I would buy it I was just inquiring about it. I am learing Hexagon, but it is a slow process. I also have zbrush but I am a novice at best.
There are actually a bunch of studies on stuff like this that are really interesting (and super depressing) that basically come to the conclusion that the poor actually end up spending more on cheap stuff. basically lets say you have 2 pairs of similar shoes for sale one costs 60 and the other 180, well they're similar and 60s cheaper right? except the 180 dollar pair lasts 4 years, and the 60 dollar pair has the top seperate from its sole in under a year. Except if you cant afford the extra initial investment 0f 180 you're stuck buying the $60 shoes 4 times.
and then of course some $180 shoes are just as crappily made as the 60 dollar shoes and coasting on brand recognition, so you have to do research too.
sorry I've lost the point a bit, unless the point is that clothes are expensive and evil 3d or no. (and dont get me started on bras, how can items that are so necessary be so expensive)
Prices are high? relative to what measure? comparable models on other sites like turbosquid ( http://www.turbosquid.com ) and cgtrader ( https://www.cgtrader.com ) , our product prices are exceptionally well valued at full price and an absolute bargain on sale. And often times those other site products are not even rigged, or textured in an acceptable format.
It's relevent to the comparison though.
I'm still laughing at some of the $500 bears you can find on Turbosquid.
If DAZ is sucessfully selling stuff at the prices they're asking, then the prices aren't "getting out of hand" (too high). They may be expensive for some (myself included), but others may be finding them good value.
Bargain hunters generally just have to wait a while.
I don't think anyone is trying to single you out, but you made a claim that prices were to high. To back that claim, you need to compare quality and price to direct cometetors quality and price and in that area, most times Daz comes out ahead. The times it doesn't, it's neck and neck.
Well, usually when customers complain about prices, that means prices are too high compared to what they are willing to pay, so I'd say it's relative to that. Also it's pretty silly to throw turbosquid as an example, because if DAZ tried to ask $999 for a millenium cat, DAZ would lose 99% of their customers. But if we throw sites here, how about ( http://www.blendswap.com ), and boom, DAZ is grossly overpriced in every single category except freebies.
This is not a personal attack against you or your product pricing, but rather that some of us feel that our hobby is getting rather expensive, and we might have to start looking for other sites for cheaper options. It's a free world, and as a premier artist you are free to set your prices so that you make a living, and we as customers are free to buy it or not. When our needs don't match, I don't get your product, and you don't get my money. Fair and square, and at least I don't have any hard feelings.
Prices are relative to the consumer. You may have more professionals going to these sites. If you are movie studio looking to save time modeling the titanic and can get it for $250 or a game developing company who needs an assets for something that would offset the cost of hiring a developer and keeping a deadline that kind of cost it is a bargain. If you a hobbyist looking to make a scene with some software it can generally get very expensive. If Daz sold 200 items at $30 they could probably sell more than 400 if they dropped it down to $15 for their consumer base, they would likely more than break even and appeal to their user base. If they did make more they could probably pass more of it off to the designers, the majority of what they sell is brokered so they take a cut in return for promotion.
The short version of this is you don't hear of hobbyists going to the sites you mentioned, and if they did they would likely be an anomaly.
Totally acceptable, I respect your choice to make any decision that works for you. Just figured it beneficial to point out comparable quality and prices at other sites.
I'm buying less.
I sympathise with the OP, but appreciate the amount of work involved in creating good products.
Actually, I'm buying much less; in part I want to hang on to my cash longer, but in part other priorities.
But if it's too expensive for you, don't buy it; wait until it comes on sale... it is certain that it will, and sooner or later will be at a price you are prepared to pay.
I may be wrong but I've noticed sale to be far more common on legacy items that do not benefit from features in the newer software, so in essence you wait for your sale and the technology has passed you by. If you bought V7 like I did when it was on sale It's a great figure but trying to get a small wardrobe of useable items for her is not cost effective for me and I'm going back to earlier iterations of figures.
@ivy
Speaking of wishlisting, The RDNA stuff still has a long way to go before it catches up with the length of mine LOL
@all
My responses are comming from a person who has an overall Daz budget of $30 every 2 weeks
Sure the prices are higher than I'd like (hey, free would be awesome) but compared to competetors, they are not overpriced (free sites like sharecg are not competetors). There are lots of hobbies I'd like to get into, but they are well above my budget. One must pick and choose with what they can afford.
Here we go again with the TurboSquid comparison. Some of us customers are comparing the new prices to those we used to pay for items here before.
Like the original Dragon for $99.95, textures extra as I recall, compared to Dragon 3 for $44.95?
The underground command center is now 51 percent off and I picket it up! Thanks for making it more affordable to us hobbyists.
^^Seriously Richard? I was referencing the tail end of the Gen4 era when prices were lower than before.
Seriously!? I just bought IrayPair Hair last week at 25% off... I wonder if their customer service is as good as DAZ's...
There's no price guarantee at Rendo, and they only offer refunds on defective items.
There were a lot of pricey Gen4 era stuff, if you included unimesh as well.
And this is also excluding all of the ridiculously priced Gen3 stuff.
On a short term basis, yes prices *are* a little higher, but they are most definitely cheaper from an historical and value point of view.
It is, I think, important to remember that niether the PAs nor Daz itself are dead set on minimising their income. It's very easy to use a truism like Selling twice as many items at half the price would not lose money, but it isn't an argument for action unless it can also be shown that halving the price will double (or better) sales - Daz has the sales figures to give it a pretty good diea as to the applicability of that statement, we can only guess whether halving the price would double (OK, break even), triple (YAY! Quids in.), or increase by fifty percent (ugh, 25% cut in income) sales.
You mean the $1.99 unimesh fits / texture expansions? Really, come on now.
Oh ok, so we can only compare to the way past - got it.
1) Those aren't PA items.
2) And you did mention what people used to pay for and Richard had a valid point. Some of those M3/V3 that used to be in the store from PAs were close to $30 or more.
Cut rate prices aren't sustainable either and when it isn't cost-effective to make certain items, some products will no longer be made.
When I was still a PC member just last year, there were still plenty of $1.99 items. $1.99 -> $1.99, I don't see the difference, just that the items on sale for PC members changed around.
No one works for free. Prices of everything goes up across the globe. Everyone has to compensate to remain in business. Customers everywhere need to make a decission as to what to buy and what not to buy.
LOL... Because they are so necessary! Supply and demand. My solution to the problem falls under the category of TMI... 'nuff said.
Maybe I mis-read what MTL1 meant about unimesh. Yes I know those items are not PA items. I understood what Richard meant, no need to re-explain. ;)
Seriously? 60% off sales that happen regularly aren't cost-effective nor sustainable? Really, okay. I would think if it wasn't then they wouldn't keep doing it but what do I know.