You've been heard. Response re: 4.9 and Encryption

j cade · February 2016

ColemanRugh said:

The encrypted content goes to its own texture folder?

Content installed via connect is arranged sku#/runtime/etc. So if you're used to using windows explorer to sort through your textures folder, Its very sad.

I'm hoping someone pops up with some clever but of wizardry to make this easy to do

lx_2807502 · February 2016

j cade said:

ColemanRugh said:

The encrypted content goes to its own texture folder?

Content installed via connect is arranged sku#/runtime/etc. So if you're used to using windows explorer to sort through your textures folder, Its very sad.

I'm hoping someone pops up with some clever but of wizardry to make this easy to do

If they'd just do something like: 24534-Victor7 24535-VicBik at least we'd have a fair idea of what to browse for ._.

TesseractSpace · February 2016

lx said:

j cade said:

ColemanRugh said:

The encrypted content goes to its own texture folder?

Content installed via connect is arranged sku#/runtime/etc. So if you're used to using windows explorer to sort through your textures folder, Its very sad.

I'm hoping someone pops up with some clever but of wizardry to make this easy to do

If they'd just do something like: 24534-Victor7 24535-VicBik at least we'd have a fair idea of what to browse for ._.

24535-VicBikini1

24536-VicBikini2

...

24555-YetAnotherVicBikini

24556-DoesVictoriaNeedAllTheseBikinis?

24557-AtLeastShesNotNakedInATemple

lx_2807502 · February 2016

TesseractSpace said:

lx said:

j cade said:

ColemanRugh said:

The encrypted content goes to its own texture folder?

Content installed via connect is arranged sku#/runtime/etc. So if you're used to using windows explorer to sort through your textures folder, Its very sad.

I'm hoping someone pops up with some clever but of wizardry to make this easy to do

If they'd just do something like: 24534-Victor7 24535-VicBik at least we'd have a fair idea of what to browse for ._.

24535-VicBikini1

24536-VicBikini2

...

24555-YetAnotherVicBikini

24556-DoesVictoriaNeedAllTheseBikinis?

24557-AtLeastShesNotNakedInATemple

And they'll all stick into her shoulders above the collar bone, just like real straps would!

SpottedKitty · February 2016

j cade said:

ColemanRugh said:

The encrypted content goes to its own texture folder?

Content installed via connect is arranged sku#/runtime/etc. So if you're used to using windows explorer to sort through your textures folder, Its very sad.

Yes, this is my main reason for not ever using Connect (as long as it's in its current form) once I decide on the switch to 4.9 — it took me long enough to get used to finding the textures in the Textures folder, singular. Having to hunt down the correct opaquely-named folder containing the Textures folder I'm looking for...

Nope, that way lies madness, or at least going cross-eyed with a headache.

SnowSultan · February 2016

I find the way Connect installs content now to be much improved (although I would prefer that the folders were named according to the title rather than SKU as some of you mention).

The reason it's an improvement is that if you right-click on the product in your Smart Content and choose "Browse to folder location", it opens up the folders where Connect installed it and the textures and geometries are all right there. The old way, textures were placed in absolutely impossible-to-remember vanity folders that made it much more difficult to track down when you wanted to edit one. Geometries were even worse because you couldn't backtrack to them like you could with textures from the Surface panel. Now, as long as you navigate to them through that right-click method mentioned above, you can easily locate them.

mjc1016 · February 2016

The naming/sku/etc type problems are fixable...with metadata.

All of that can be handled through the database.

Postgre is not the #2 database software for no reason (MySQL is #1), so it is more than capable of it. The area lacking is the metadats...Smart Content is only as smart as the metadata.

linvanchene · February 2016

fool said:

linvanchene said:

now obsolete post edited and removed by user.

Man why do you do this?

you edit and remove them on the Otoy forum too, browsing old threads for info it drives me nuts

In this specific case I commented on a issue.

After I posted I realized that while I was typing away an official answer by DAZ Staff was posted.

Some people would wonder why I comment on something official DAZ Staff just answered in the previous post.

- - -

In general:

The forum search on the DAZ forum has become very unefficient because there is no way to

- display the search results as threads instead of posts

- limit the search results to only the first 100 letters of a post

- search for keywords only inside one thread

- exclude posts with certain keywords (example encryption, encrypted, DRM)

Currently it seems whatever I search for leads to a thread about encryption.

Therefore my personal solution is to

edit and remove obsolete posts so they do not show up in the forum search

- - -

You can find a longer version here:

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/71231/delete-old-forum-posts-with-the-click-on-one-button#latest

- - -

kyoto kid · February 2016

..while I am not thrilled by encryption. I am beginning to see this thread really becoming circular.

My opposition is simple. I cannot use content encrypted for Daz Studio in Carrara. Exporting strips the functionality out (as Wendy illustrated back on page 34).

As others have mentioned, I too have my own setup and am perfectly content with it. I do not use Smart Content as 1. I have so much old and freebie content that was installed before the DIM which does not have Metadata. and like I mentioned 2. for me, it hogs to much display "real estate".

So with two pages left to read, I bid this thread adieu as I feel I have already said my peace on this matter already and would rather spend my time creating pictures.

...pożegnanie.

linvanchene · February 2016

Novica said:

linvanchene said:

DIM vs DAZ Connect workflow example:

You are working on your laptop with limited HD space and now need a robot for your scene.

You have 3000+ products available. You only installed about 1000 to save space.

DIM workflow:

- Close DAZ Studio

- Open DIM

- Manually scroll down 2000+ products to find those who are robots

- install

- Open DAZ Studio

- load Scene again

- browse to product

How much time does it take you to find your robots in the DIM if you have 2000+ products?

Lets asume it takes you only 1 second to look at each preview image then you spend about 30 minutes searching trough them.

DAZ Connect workflow

- Open smart content tab with subtab "All" selected

- browse to figures/mechanical

- have a look at both installed and uninstalled products at the same time

- click on install

- wait 10 to 30 seconds.

- keep working on your scene

It takes you probably less then 1 minute to find a product with DAZ connect and installing it.

- - -

I can see DIM still being useful in managing software and plugin installations of BETA, General releases and products for 3rd party software like photoshop or e-on vue.

Now that I have gotten used to DAZ Connect there is no way I would ever want to go back to installing products with the DIM again.

Nope, I don't scroll through the products looking for robots, I simply type robots in the store search and up they come, and I have the My Products app and bingo, I have a page full of my bots in under 15 seconds. Let's see, Mars Explorer, Watch Dog, LG06 Combat Mech, the list goes on. And I see the images and can pick exactly what I want. Type it in and my installation is a lot faster than what it was when I tested Connect- about 38 seconds compared to over a minute with Connect.

DIM is my preference.

The estimated time of about one minute I provided to search for a product of a specific category with DAZ connect was including the time it takes to download and install the product.

Just showing the search results in DAZ connect may take 1-xy seconds. The more items there are in the search category the longer it takes for the search to complete. If you searched for the same category just before the search results stay in memory and the view may refresh almost instantly.

Example: figures/mechanical

Alternative file view after installation:

The whole benefit of DAZ Connect is that you do not need to use external applications. There is no need to leave DAZ Studio.

You can perform all search, install and update actions in the same interface.

- - -

I honestly do not know the "My products app".

Who did release this app? How does it work?

Is there any way to transfer the search results of that app over to the DIM?

IF not then you still have to manually enter all product names in the DIM.

With only about 10 products this is not that annoying. In the past I also used the store search and then copy pasted the name of each indiviual product into the DIM

But if you have search results of about 100+ products you may certainly not want to press copy and paste 100 times from the store page to the DIM.

- - -

Example:

Download and install all Shirts for Genesis 2 female

With DAZ connect all you have to do is:

- Place Genesis 2 female in the scene

- open the Smart content tab with subtab "All"

- make sure "Filter by Context is activated"

- browse to the category /wardrobe/shirts

- now you can choose

- use one of the shirts that are allready installed

or

- download all shirts for Genesis 2 female

or

- just download a small selection of shirts for Genesis 2 female that you really want

- - -

As far as I am aware of

- there is no way to filter the search results in the DIM to show only "shirts" that were made for "Genesis 2 female".

- there is no way to filter the search results in the DIM to show only products of certain artists

- there is no way to have a look at a category and show both installed an uninstalled products in the DIM

I guess it would help other users as well if someone could post some screenshots how to install the same selection of shirts for G2F with the help of the store or an app and the DIM.

Subtropic Pixel · February 2016

linvanchene said:

fool said:

linvanchene said:

now obsolete post edited and removed by user.

Man why do you do this?

you edit and remove them on the Otoy forum too, browsing old threads for info it drives me nuts

In this specific case I commented on a issue.

After I posted I realized that while I was typing away an official answer by DAZ Staff was posted.

Some people would wonder why I comment on something official DAZ Staff just answered in the previous post.

- - -

In general:

The forum search on the DAZ forum has become very unefficient because there is no way to

- display the search results as threads instead of posts

- limit the search results to only the first 100 letters of a post

- search for keywords only inside one thread

- exclude posts with certain keywords (example encryption, encrypted, DRM)

Currently it seems whatever I search for leads to a thread about encryption.

Therefore my personal solution is to

edit and remove obsolete posts so they do not show up in the forum search

- - -

You can find a longer version here:

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/71231/delete-old-forum-posts-with-the-click-on-one-button#latest

- - -

I agree that the disappearing posts without explanation leave a mysterious void and I can see how that would be annoying. So please do leave a comment. Something like "post removed due to other information added while I was typing." Or just learn to type faster. That's what I did.

Ippotamus · February 2016

kyoto kid said:
..while I am not thrilled by encryption. I am beginning to see this thread really becoming circular.

My opposition is simple. I cannot use content encrypted for Daz Studio in Carrara. Exporting strips the functionality out (as Wendy illustrated back on page 34).

As others have mentioned, I too have my own setup and am perfectly content with it. I do not use Smart Content as 1. I have so much old and freebie content that was installed before the DIM which does not have Metadata. and like I mentioned 2. for me, it hogs to much display "real estate".

So with two pages left to read, I bid this thread adieu as I feel I have already said my peace on this matter already and would rather spend my time creating pictures.

...pożegnanie.
 

I am pretty much with you.

This thread seems to be a vocal minority, arguing with an equally vocal yet smaller minority. Don't worry, the two sides swap jerseys every Tuesday so they both get to play Smallest Minority.

Nobody is changing any minds ... it is just pure damage without meaning at this point.

nicstt · February 2016

lx said:

I like the separated SKU install in theory, but the fact it's just SKU numbers without a shortened name or something after it makes it really hard to figure out what is what. Having to look up a reference table every time I want to get to a specific texture isn't my idea of fun. For some odd reason the page that lists the products ALWAYS loads slower than tar for me too, even though every other page on the site is fine.

(Example: I load character A and want to pick a specific texture in the shader for the eyes. Normally I know where pretty much every character is thanks to English names. With Connect, I basically have to make an entirely separate directory system of every texture manually to be able to find anything.

You could argue that you can find and click the material settings file in the library, but then what happens if you decide on the eyes you want but want to browse some different skins? You have to start all over again...

Connect may be fine for people who never do anything beyond load and render, but for any more involved work, it's a bit of a nightmare. Even moreso when encrypted.)

I started off rendering the defalt; to get a feel of how stuff worked - wow I sucked in 3Delight; as I got more experienced I started doing more. Just finding things in Connect is aweful. It isn't intuitive. It is great if all Daz's customers should do is render as-is.

... or perhaps if there are changes to be made, then they will be sold in the store, and are offered in the convenience of a slider or button to click.

nicstt · February 2016

mjc1016 said:

The naming/sku/etc type problems are fixable...with metadata.

All of that can be handled through the database.

Postgre is not the #2 database software for no reason (MySQL is #1), so it is more than capable of it. The area lacking is the metadats...Smart Content is only as smart as the metadata.

After having looked at a meta data file - pretty dumb.

father1776 · February 2016

1. do I need a genni lamp.

2. is it free..yes...IF FALSE GOTO 5

3. is it encrypted ...yes...IF TRUE GOTO 5

4. Download ...STOP

5. STOP

simple process

Taoz · February 2016

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namffuak said:

frank0314 said:

mmitchell_houston said:

timmins.william said:

I don't think there's any real chance DRM will go away until a few months of sales data come in. At that point we'll all see if the customers actually care.

I agree with William. Time (and $$$) will tell if DRM is good, bad or it doesn't matter. Remember, although the anti-DRM group here in the Forums is VERY vocal, they may not represent a larger group of non-Forum users who either don't care or don't even know what DRM is.

I am pleased to know that at least some sort of "doomsday switch" scenario is in place. I'm not 100% reassured, but I'm about 85%.

On the PLUS side, I'm happy to hear about the addition of an "Install" tab (or whatever it will be called). I've only played with DS 4.9 a little bit so far, and found the whole Connect thing to be a bit confusing and not as easy to use as the DIM.

We will never get a its good or its bad. Forum users only make up 8-10% of the customer base here at Daz. What everyone in the forums can dislike the majority who aren't vocal may like.

With all due respect - I really think you're high on the percentages. Even counting the one-time posters I'd be suprised if the actual count exceeded five percent, with the more vocal among us being in the one to three percent range.

I recall DAZ had about 2 million users some years ago (stated on the front page AFAIR).

lx_2807502 · February 2016

mjc1016 said:

The naming/sku/etc type problems are fixable...with metadata.

All of that can be handled through the database.

Postgre is not the #2 database software for no reason (MySQL is #1), so it is more than capable of it. The area lacking is the metadats...Smart Content is only as smart as the metadata.

A Daz employee updating all of the metadata the way they want it so that I can search through Smart Content to get to a settings file to apply to a part of a model I want is not a solution to clicking explore on the shader I already have selected and easily browsing to a file. All they need to do is add some sort of hint to the SKU naming system that humans can recognise.

nicstt said:

lx said:

I like the separated SKU install in theory, but the fact it's just SKU numbers without a shortened name or something after it makes it really hard to figure out what is what. Having to look up a reference table every time I want to get to a specific texture isn't my idea of fun. For some odd reason the page that lists the products ALWAYS loads slower than tar for me too, even though every other page on the site is fine.

(Example: I load character A and want to pick a specific texture in the shader for the eyes. Normally I know where pretty much every character is thanks to English names. With Connect, I basically have to make an entirely separate directory system of every texture manually to be able to find anything.

You could argue that you can find and click the material settings file in the library, but then what happens if you decide on the eyes you want but want to browse some different skins? You have to start all over again...

Connect may be fine for people who never do anything beyond load and render, but for any more involved work, it's a bit of a nightmare. Even moreso when encrypted.)

I started off rendering the defalt; to get a feel of how stuff worked - wow I sucked in 3Delight; as I got more experienced I started doing more. Just finding things in Connect is aweful. It isn't intuitive. It is great if all Daz's customers should do is render as-is.

... or perhaps if there are changes to be made, then they will be sold in the store, and are offered in the convenience of a slider or button to click.

My first renders were spectacular. It took me a good few days before I discovered that lights and cameras were a thing you might want to use, let alone that the different renderers liked different materials (the interactive tutorial was great but I guess that was a bit beyond its scope.)

lx_2807502 · February 2016

Taozen said:

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namffuak said:

frank0314 said:

mmitchell_houston said:

timmins.william said:

I don't think there's any real chance DRM will go away until a few months of sales data come in. At that point we'll all see if the customers actually care.

I agree with William. Time (and $$$) will tell if DRM is good, bad or it doesn't matter. Remember, although the anti-DRM group here in the Forums is VERY vocal, they may not represent a larger group of non-Forum users who either don't care or don't even know what DRM is.

I am pleased to know that at least some sort of "doomsday switch" scenario is in place. I'm not 100% reassured, but I'm about 85%.

On the PLUS side, I'm happy to hear about the addition of an "Install" tab (or whatever it will be called). I've only played with DS 4.9 a little bit so far, and found the whole Connect thing to be a bit confusing and not as easy to use as the DIM.

We will never get a its good or its bad. Forum users only make up 8-10% of the customer base here at Daz. What everyone in the forums can dislike the majority who aren't vocal may like.

With all due respect - I really think you're high on the percentages. Even counting the one-time posters I'd be suprised if the actual count exceeded five percent, with the more vocal among us being in the one to three percent range.

I recall DAZ had about 2 million users some years ago (stated on the front page AFAIR).

That seems like ... way more than I'd have expected. I wonder what they're at now.

Havos · February 2016

Taozen said:

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namffuak said:

frank0314 said:

mmitchell_houston said:

timmins.william said:

I don't think there's any real chance DRM will go away until a few months of sales data come in. At that point we'll all see if the customers actually care.

I agree with William. Time (and $$$) will tell if DRM is good, bad or it doesn't matter. Remember, although the anti-DRM group here in the Forums is VERY vocal, they may not represent a larger group of non-Forum users who either don't care or don't even know what DRM is.

I am pleased to know that at least some sort of "doomsday switch" scenario is in place. I'm not 100% reassured, but I'm about 85%.

On the PLUS side, I'm happy to hear about the addition of an "Install" tab (or whatever it will be called). I've only played with DS 4.9 a little bit so far, and found the whole Connect thing to be a bit confusing and not as easy to use as the DIM.

We will never get a its good or its bad. Forum users only make up 8-10% of the customer base here at Daz. What everyone in the forums can dislike the majority who aren't vocal may like.

With all due respect - I really think you're high on the percentages. Even counting the one-time posters I'd be suprised if the actual count exceeded five percent, with the more vocal among us being in the one to three percent range.

I recall DAZ had about 2 million users some years ago (stated on the front page AFAIR).

I think 2 million is the number of times DS has been downloaded. Seems high, but it is a free app with some free content bundled in, so could well be true.

lx_2807502 · February 2016

Havos said:

Taozen said:

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namffuak said:

frank0314 said:

mmitchell_houston said:

timmins.william said:

I don't think there's any real chance DRM will go away until a few months of sales data come in. At that point we'll all see if the customers actually care.

I agree with William. Time (and $$$) will tell if DRM is good, bad or it doesn't matter. Remember, although the anti-DRM group here in the Forums is VERY vocal, they may not represent a larger group of non-Forum users who either don't care or don't even know what DRM is.

I am pleased to know that at least some sort of "doomsday switch" scenario is in place. I'm not 100% reassured, but I'm about 85%.

On the PLUS side, I'm happy to hear about the addition of an "Install" tab (or whatever it will be called). I've only played with DS 4.9 a little bit so far, and found the whole Connect thing to be a bit confusing and not as easy to use as the DIM.

We will never get a its good or its bad. Forum users only make up 8-10% of the customer base here at Daz. What everyone in the forums can dislike the majority who aren't vocal may like.

With all due respect - I really think you're high on the percentages. Even counting the one-time posters I'd be suprised if the actual count exceeded five percent, with the more vocal among us being in the one to three percent range.

I recall DAZ had about 2 million users some years ago (stated on the front page AFAIR).

I think 2 million is the number of times DS has been downloaded. Seems high, but it is a free app with some free content bundled in, so could well be true.

2 million downloads ever I'd accept. I'd be surprised if there were many more than 10-20,000 active users though, being generous.

frogimus · February 2016

So, between all the different version I've downloaded and the multitude PCs I've put them on, I am probably about 20 users by myself.

Taoz · February 2016

Havos said:

Taozen said:

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namffuak said:

frank0314 said:

mmitchell_houston said:

timmins.william said:

I don't think there's any real chance DRM will go away until a few months of sales data come in. At that point we'll all see if the customers actually care.

I agree with William. Time (and $$$) will tell if DRM is good, bad or it doesn't matter. Remember, although the anti-DRM group here in the Forums is VERY vocal, they may not represent a larger group of non-Forum users who either don't care or don't even know what DRM is.

I am pleased to know that at least some sort of "doomsday switch" scenario is in place. I'm not 100% reassured, but I'm about 85%.

On the PLUS side, I'm happy to hear about the addition of an "Install" tab (or whatever it will be called). I've only played with DS 4.9 a little bit so far, and found the whole Connect thing to be a bit confusing and not as easy to use as the DIM.

We will never get a its good or its bad. Forum users only make up 8-10% of the customer base here at Daz. What everyone in the forums can dislike the majority who aren't vocal may like.

With all due respect - I really think you're high on the percentages. Even counting the one-time posters I'd be suprised if the actual count exceeded five percent, with the more vocal among us being in the one to three percent range.

I recall DAZ had about 2 million users some years ago (stated on the front page AFAIR).

I think 2 million is the number of times DS has been downloaded. Seems high, but it is a free app with some free content bundled in, so could well be true.

As I remember it it did say actual or registered users or something like that, not DS downloads.

lx_2807502 · February 2016

Taozen said:

Havos said:

Taozen said:

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namffuak said:

frank0314 said:

mmitchell_houston said:

timmins.william said:

I don't think there's any real chance DRM will go away until a few months of sales data come in. At that point we'll all see if the customers actually care.

I agree with William. Time (and $$$) will tell if DRM is good, bad or it doesn't matter. Remember, although the anti-DRM group here in the Forums is VERY vocal, they may not represent a larger group of non-Forum users who either don't care or don't even know what DRM is.

I am pleased to know that at least some sort of "doomsday switch" scenario is in place. I'm not 100% reassured, but I'm about 85%.

On the PLUS side, I'm happy to hear about the addition of an "Install" tab (or whatever it will be called). I've only played with DS 4.9 a little bit so far, and found the whole Connect thing to be a bit confusing and not as easy to use as the DIM.

We will never get a its good or its bad. Forum users only make up 8-10% of the customer base here at Daz. What everyone in the forums can dislike the majority who aren't vocal may like.

With all due respect - I really think you're high on the percentages. Even counting the one-time posters I'd be suprised if the actual count exceeded five percent, with the more vocal among us being in the one to three percent range.

I recall DAZ had about 2 million users some years ago (stated on the front page AFAIR).

I think 2 million is the number of times DS has been downloaded. Seems high, but it is a free app with some free content bundled in, so could well be true.

As I remember it it did say actual or registered users or something like that, not DS downloads.

But then imagine a product is released for let's say $20 (fairly standard.) Imagine that just 5% of the active users buy that product on day 1. Most of the PAs would be multi millionaires by now (and all impressions suggest they aren't.)

Taoz · February 2016

lx said:

Havos said:

Taozen said:

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namffuak said:

frank0314 said:

mmitchell_houston said:

timmins.william said:

I don't think there's any real chance DRM will go away until a few months of sales data come in. At that point we'll all see if the customers actually care.

I agree with William. Time (and $$$) will tell if DRM is good, bad or it doesn't matter. Remember, although the anti-DRM group here in the Forums is VERY vocal, they may not represent a larger group of non-Forum users who either don't care or don't even know what DRM is.

I am pleased to know that at least some sort of "doomsday switch" scenario is in place. I'm not 100% reassured, but I'm about 85%.

On the PLUS side, I'm happy to hear about the addition of an "Install" tab (or whatever it will be called). I've only played with DS 4.9 a little bit so far, and found the whole Connect thing to be a bit confusing and not as easy to use as the DIM.

We will never get a its good or its bad. Forum users only make up 8-10% of the customer base here at Daz. What everyone in the forums can dislike the majority who aren't vocal may like.

With all due respect - I really think you're high on the percentages. Even counting the one-time posters I'd be suprised if the actual count exceeded five percent, with the more vocal among us being in the one to three percent range.

I recall DAZ had about 2 million users some years ago (stated on the front page AFAIR).

I think 2 million is the number of times DS has been downloaded. Seems high, but it is a free app with some free content bundled in, so could well be true.

2 million downloads ever I'd accept. I'd be surprised if there were many more than 10-20,000 active users though, being generous.

2 million could be the total number of users that had ever registered at that time, how many that are active is a different story yes.

According to the order numbers they had about 1.090.500 orders in 2015.

lx_2807502 · February 2016

Taozen said:

lx said:

Havos said:

Taozen said:

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namffuak said:

frank0314 said:

mmitchell_houston said:

timmins.william said:

I don't think there's any real chance DRM will go away until a few months of sales data come in. At that point we'll all see if the customers actually care.

I agree with William. Time (and $$$) will tell if DRM is good, bad or it doesn't matter. Remember, although the anti-DRM group here in the Forums is VERY vocal, they may not represent a larger group of non-Forum users who either don't care or don't even know what DRM is.

I am pleased to know that at least some sort of "doomsday switch" scenario is in place. I'm not 100% reassured, but I'm about 85%.

On the PLUS side, I'm happy to hear about the addition of an "Install" tab (or whatever it will be called). I've only played with DS 4.9 a little bit so far, and found the whole Connect thing to be a bit confusing and not as easy to use as the DIM.

We will never get a its good or its bad. Forum users only make up 8-10% of the customer base here at Daz. What everyone in the forums can dislike the majority who aren't vocal may like.

With all due respect - I really think you're high on the percentages. Even counting the one-time posters I'd be suprised if the actual count exceeded five percent, with the more vocal among us being in the one to three percent range.

I recall DAZ had about 2 million users some years ago (stated on the front page AFAIR).

I think 2 million is the number of times DS has been downloaded. Seems high, but it is a free app with some free content bundled in, so could well be true.

2 million downloads ever I'd accept. I'd be surprised if there were many more than 10-20,000 active users though, being generous.

2 million could be the total number of users that had ever registered at that time, how many that are active is a different story yes.

According to the order numbers they had about 1.090.500 orders in 2015.

Well I bought about 800 things in 2015 iirc so that's me accounted for~

Taoz · February 2016

lx said:

Taozen said:

lx said:

Havos said:

Taozen said:

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namffuak said:

frank0314 said:

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timmins.william said:

I don't think there's any real chance DRM will go away until a few months of sales data come in. At that point we'll all see if the customers actually care.

I agree with William. Time (and $$$) will tell if DRM is good, bad or it doesn't matter. Remember, although the anti-DRM group here in the Forums is VERY vocal, they may not represent a larger group of non-Forum users who either don't care or don't even know what DRM is.

I am pleased to know that at least some sort of "doomsday switch" scenario is in place. I'm not 100% reassured, but I'm about 85%.

On the PLUS side, I'm happy to hear about the addition of an "Install" tab (or whatever it will be called). I've only played with DS 4.9 a little bit so far, and found the whole Connect thing to be a bit confusing and not as easy to use as the DIM.

We will never get a its good or its bad. Forum users only make up 8-10% of the customer base here at Daz. What everyone in the forums can dislike the majority who aren't vocal may like.

With all due respect - I really think you're high on the percentages. Even counting the one-time posters I'd be suprised if the actual count exceeded five percent, with the more vocal among us being in the one to three percent range.

I recall DAZ had about 2 million users some years ago (stated on the front page AFAIR).

I think 2 million is the number of times DS has been downloaded. Seems high, but it is a free app with some free content bundled in, so could well be true.

2 million downloads ever I'd accept. I'd be surprised if there were many more than 10-20,000 active users though, being generous.

2 million could be the total number of users that had ever registered at that time, how many that are active is a different story yes.

According to the order numbers they had about 1.090.500 orders in 2015.

Well I bought about 800 things in 2015 iirc so that's me accounted for~

269 orders / 1593 items here...

cherpenbeck · February 2016

Didn't count. Estimates 2000 items.

There may be many users just downloading the free stuff, playing around a bit, the looking elswhere for entertainment.

Havos · February 2016

If you look at this link http://download.cnet.com/s/daz-studio/, it claims there has been 2.3 million downloads, assumably from its own site alone. One would assume most have grabbed it from DAZ's own site, but if millions have grabbed it from other download locations as well, I guess the total number could be even higher.

TesseractSpace · February 2016

Havos said:

If you look at this link http://download.cnet.com/s/daz-studio/, it claims there has been 2.3 million downloads, assumably from its own site alone. One would assume most have grabbed it from DAZ's own site, but if millions have grabbed it from other download locations as well, I guess the total number could be even higher.

Looking through the comments there I'd say a good number of downloaders have no idea what it is they downloaded. Like the one complaining about it being 'freemium' because they evidently thought all the models should be free.

Superdog · February 2016

TesseractSpace said:

Havos said:

If you look at this link http://download.cnet.com/s/daz-studio/, it claims there has been 2.3 million downloads, assumably from its own site alone. One would assume most have grabbed it from DAZ's own site, but if millions have grabbed it from other download locations as well, I guess the total number could be even higher.

Looking through the comments there I'd say a good number of downloaders have no idea what it is they downloaded. Like the one complaining about it being 'freemium' because they evidently thought all the models should be free.

Out of all the registerted users worldwide I doubt there are that many who consistently buy content which is where DAZ makes the money. I have Lightwave sitting on my system and rarely use it so registration numbers aren't conclusive. I doubt DAZ would have moved to PC+ and encryption if it wasn't an attempt to increase profits per sale. Rendo has changed its membership criteria detrimentally too so I assume it's a tough market out there atm.

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