Converting "Lecture Hall with Props" to 3Delight - Doable?
firewarden
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Can anyone guestimate how much work it would be to make this set work with 3Delight? And/or have a link to a tutorial for how to go about it?
I'm creating extensive 2D artwork of a futuristic city and its inhabitants for a senior project my daughter must complete over the summer (a 2D educational game). Because I want the environment stylized - not quite toony, but not so much CGI/3D-looking and more hand-drawn/toon-ish if that makes sense, I plan to use a combo of Visual Style Shaders, Subsurface Toon Shaders, Toon Style Hair Shaders, Subsurface Gummy & Plastic Shaders, pwToon, ToonyCam, etc. (And any other helpful shaders I can find!)
I have very carefully been buying new items that have 3Delight materials and not buying anything that was Iray only.
However, "Lecture Hall with Props" by Tesla3dCorp fits right into the whole future city theme somehow with the ampitheatre design and I adore how it looks --- but it's Iray only. While I have the computer power for Iray and might go there someday, for this project it's unusable, as I wouldn't be able to apply all my "toon" render options.
But I REALLY like the Lecture Hall and wonder if converting the materials to 3Delight equivalents is a reasonable alternative and process.
I'm a bit of a newbie with Daz, although I have collected models for years, with a huge investment in Genesis and Genesis 2. Sadly, life interfered and I'm just now starting to use all these cool things. (I was feeling a bit like an OCD collector "just in case" some day I'd have the time, health, and energy to trying working with Daz again.) So pardon if this is a REALLY newbie question and the answer should be obvious...
Any and all help and advice is GREATLY appreciated!!!
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From what I'm seeing, you will probably have to re-do all the surfaces. Many of the surfaces use Iray-specific shader.
You first have to reset the shader to 3Delight. What I would do, is make note which textures are used on each surface, and then reinsert them into the surface tabs.
I've attached an image of how the room looks in 3Delight, without any conversion:
EDIT: Here's a rather quick PWToon Conversion. It seems that for some reason, all the diffuse maps end up as bump maps, so you'd have to fix that manually for every surface. I did the exchange for a handful of the wooden chair surfaces. This is a lot of handiwork, but absolutely doable within a reasonable amount of time. You'd probably looking at two hours, or something along that timeframe, depending what other adjustments you need to do. The process was: select all surfaces, then apply PW-Toon surface to it, and then locate the diffuse image and load it into the diffuse slot of the surface tab.
Thank you, BeeMKay!
That's fantastic information and your images just really nail it for me. :)
I REALLY appreicate your time and advice. You've shown me that it's doable and that the Lecture Hall will be very attractive after conversion. It will be well worth a few hours of handwork to include this set in our futuristic city.
Thank you, thank you! :)
How good does this look in Iray? I thought the promos were less than brilliant.
Well, it's a usable set if you are going for a very modern, no frills lecture hall. Unfortunately, this set has a real drawback, which are the chairs. They are not designed to fit a human into them, so you'll have to adjust their size overall with the scaling function, or downscale the human.
Here's an example of Lee 6, default size, trying to squeeze into the chair, which is also default size. This render didn't complete rendering, so it's not very clear.
Hopefully, there will be a fix of sorts, otherwise, this lecture hall is mostly good for people standing around.
Scale looks off. Try increasing the scale to match the figure. Probably everything else will fall into place (with the exception of the materials)
Kendall
Thanks for that on the scale issue. I think I will pass, as the promo renders looked a bit unfinished to me.
I tried, but you have to adjust scales differrently along the three axis to make the chairs fit. Justincrsing the overall scale doesn't do the job. For example, if I increase to 110% overall scale, the legs barely fit under the arm board, and the back and side were way too large. The feet no longer reached the floor... you get the picture.
Well then, so much for easy. :-) Sometimes ya gotta wrok for the art, I guess.
Kendall
Hmmm. Yeah.. no. I was looking at picking this up, but having seen this thread, I think I'll be happier sticking with the other lecture rooms I already have.
Lots of good info that has me reassessing buying this Lecture Hall... The scale issue will kill it for me. I wanted to have a large number of teens of various ages plus adults sitting throughout the hall. I had assumed the seats would fit a wide range of characters. Oh, well...
Do artists usually correct sets with errors such as this?
I've submitted a support ticket, and customer support informed me today that the PA submitted an update, to address the problem with the chairs. The update will probably be released sometime next week, or so.
This hasn't happened so far. :( Some of the chairs are even half-embedded in the stairs. How on Earth did this go through the DAZ Quality team?