Products inspired by existing franchises

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  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,797

    I'd like to see some more retro scifi/horror/fantasy 1950s aliens, monsters extra inspired stuff

  • Herschel HoffmeyerHerschel Hoffmeyer Posts: 713
    edited August 4

    If someone is confusing my Wyvern for the GoT dragon, then they simply never seen a wyvern before. Outside of them both being wyverns, that's where the similarities end. Mine has giant tusks, a square robust head, it doesn't have back frills or spikes covering its chest, mine has giant 'thumbs' and my tail is completely different. Sure they are both wyverns, but that is not something unique to GoT, the wyvern design has been around for 100's of years. There are also many other types, here's a chart attached to show the different types. 

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  • garrett_3dgarrett_3d Posts: 763

    Herschel Hoffmeyer said:

    If someone is confusing my Wyvern for the GoT dragon, then they simply never seen a wyvern before

    Considering a Wyvern is a mythical creature with no proof it ever actually existed, who can give a definite description of what it looks like? 

  • Herschel HoffmeyerHerschel Hoffmeyer Posts: 713
    edited August 4

    garrett_3d said:

    Herschel Hoffmeyer said:

    If someone is confusing my Wyvern for the GoT dragon, then they simply never seen a wyvern before

    Considering a Wyvern is a mythical creature with no proof it ever actually existed, who can give a definite description of what it looks like? 

    This is a completely different take on this argument and not directly addressing the context of what is being discussed. We're talking about unique designs or takes on something.

    A "Wyvern" is not a real-life animal, it is a human creation with a specific design, like a type of anything anyone has created. What's the difference between a truck and a car... sure there are plenty of variations to these but both have unique characteristics Thus, it requires unique traits in order to be considered a certain type of thing, like a Wyvern, which is a dragon but instead of having arms and wings, it's arms is its wings. Dragon is also a vague term as well as a unique term, meaning a Wyvern is a type of Dragon, but within types of dragons, the dragon itself is also its own unique design. Just like some people call trucks "Cars" because a Car is also  generic term as well as a unique one. Almost all types of media that goes deep into dragon lore uses these characteristics to depict each kind and how to tell them apart. Just because they are not real life animals doesn't mean they are not unique designs.

    Dragons are not in main stream media much so when someone sees a new "type" of dragon, they think the design is unique to the show. If anything, the dragon in Game of Thrones is the most retro-esque design you can have and nothing about it stands out outside the fact that it is a Wyvern, and not a true Dragon. The "Dragon" in the Hobbit (LotR) is the exact same thing, a Wyvern and looks closer to the dragon in GoT than my wyvern does. They're both just very retro designs (generic spikes, scales, overall aesthetic).  

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,376
    edited August 4

    I did say it a few pages back but Medieval works feature Wyverns,

    which truly puts it in the public domain as a mythical creature

    the only thing copyrighted is the exact design of a particular modern version or a wyvern, dragon, horse, cow Tasmanian Devil character whatever

    not every image of a Blue Heeler dog is Bluey, not every mermaid is Ariel, even red headed ones

    damn, I rendered a random Goth Girl once if I thought of any particular goth it might have been Abby from NCIS but not really, but everyone seemed convinced it was Wednesday Addams which didn't even cross my radar doing it, I dressed gothy myself when young, it's crazy how a whole style has become pigeonholed to one character 

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  • garrett_3dgarrett_3d Posts: 763

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Abby from NCIS

    The only reason I ever watched NCIS. A beautiful woman and superb actress.

  • Herschel HoffmeyerHerschel Hoffmeyer Posts: 713
    edited August 4

    I think it just comes down to people who don't really care much about certain things over simplify it. Which I think is totally fine and everyone does it, but the over simplification doesn't warrant the idea that said goth girl render needs a description or warning label that it was inspired by Wednesday Addams, even when it wasn't. It's just silly. However, stand-out unique designs I can see the argument holding some weight, especially when someone copies the unique traits of that specific design. A goth girl looking like Wednesday because she's goth or a draogon looking like GoT dragon because its a wyvern is definitely an oversimplification.

    Edit: Also a few more points to add...

    1.) My design is inspired by a Wyvern design and it's even in the name. A wyvern is not a GoT creation, quite the opposite. 
    2.) I dislike how mainstream media purposely misnames stuff just so they can use a "cooler" name which only aids in the confusion and thinking of where designs truly belong to. Dragon sounds cooler than Wyvern and it's something they can relate too. So then people think this is GoT's unique take on a dragon. Just like how Jurassic Park named their Deinonychus "Velociraptors" when they're clearly not. They're actually Deinonychus which Steven Spielberg admits, but Velociraptor sounds cooler but forever created a gross miscalculation of what a Velociraptor even is. 

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,818
    edited August 5

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    I'd like to see some more retro scifi/horror/fantasy 1950s aliens, monsters extra inspired stuff

    Good luck. Most of the "classic" 40s and 50's creatures are pretty heavily protected by trademarks, like Godzilla, Robby the Robot, the Creature from the Black Lagoon, the Metaluna Mutant, the Mole Peole, Saucermen from Invasions fo the Saucermen, etc., so while you can (or at least at one time could) find stand alone not for commercial sale versions of many of those out there on the net, the only one I can think of that's on one of the "legit" sites is Powerage's rendition of Audrey II from Little Shoppe of Horrors over at Rendo.  What has shown up here has been more in the line of "sort-of inspired by" type creatures...Sixius has a few, as does Raw Art, but for the classic 50's vibe... Sadly, there used to be an artist here who did some of that kind of stuff for the V4 generation, IIRC it was Third Degree, but they disappered ages ago, and the only things I can think of that really have that 50's vibe totally nailed are Grotto's amazing Mutant and Insectoid figures for M4 over at Renderosity, both of which I was surprised to be able to convert to Genesis and Genesis 3 using GenX.      

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,351

    ...speaking of 50s Sci-Fi, a number of years ago there were very "faithful" models of both Gort and the Saucer ship from the original Day the Earth Stood Still that was available on ShareCG (now closed) which I still have.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,818

    kyoto kid said:

    ...speaking of 50s Sci-Fi, a number of years ago there were very "faithful" models of both Gort and the Saucer ship from the original Day the Earth Stood Still that was available on ShareCG (now closed) which I still have.

    Pretty sure I still have those too.  Weren't they freebies from Vanishing Point or Mr. Sparky?  

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,797

    should mention not just 50s but up to at least 80s I like those styles so inspired by 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,351
    edited August 8

    Cybersox said:

    kyoto kid said:

    ...speaking of 50s Sci-Fi, a number of years ago there were very "faithful" models of both Gort and the Saucer ship from the original Day the Earth Stood Still that was available on ShareCG (now closed) which I still have.

    Pretty sure I still have those too.  Weren't they freebies from Vanishing Point or Mr. Sparky?  

    ....got them long ago  but I remeber they were on ShareCG.

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  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,797

    oh btw yes I know there is an eye of the beholder sold here by Darkseal + Digi-Mig https://www.daz3d.com/idemon

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,797

    cyborgs would be tricky most would probably say inspired by The Borg from Star Trek even though they've appeared in soooooo many other franchises the look concept is practicly the same from Warhammer 40,000, Judge Dredd, Red Dwarf, various 2000 AD comics other scifi comics, lots of 70/80s + Scifi movies/shows the only cyborg I can think of that looks diffent to the rest looking like a humanoid with metal/bionic parts would be the Cybermen from the 70s to present day from Doctor Who sort of Daleks but really those were tanks that were driven by organics, but typical cyborgs in concept are all pretty much alike and average person would compare them to Star Trek Borg

    Oh and Transforming robots most would say Transformers but there are a lot of other franchises with them and Transformers wasn't the first

  • garrett_3dgarrett_3d Posts: 763

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

     typical cyborgs in concept are all pretty much alike and average person would compare them to Star Trek Borg

    I'm definitely not average then. I have no idea what a Star Trek borg looks like (I abhor the whole franchise, it's been done to death numerous times and is just a cash cow). 

    If someone suggests cyborg to me, my first thoughts are Red Dwarf and the Cyborg film with Jean -Claude Van Damme.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,376

    The Dr Who Cybermen are what I think of hearing the term cyborg having grown up watching it

  • garrett_3dgarrett_3d Posts: 763

    You know, I've never thought of Cybermen as cyborgs for some reason, but now you mention it.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,376

    bit shocked by the number of actual real cyborg humans already among us

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg

    especially the brain implant ones

    I mean it's good prosthetics are becoming more advanced but artificially enhancing ones colour perception seems indeed like wild scifi stuff

  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 1,905

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    cyborgs would be tricky most would probably say inspired by The Borg from Star Trek even though they've appeared in soooooo many other franchises the look concept is practicly the same from Warhammer 40,000, Judge Dredd, Red Dwarf, various 2000 AD comics other scifi comics, lots of 70/80s + Scifi movies/shows the only cyborg I can think of that looks diffent to the rest looking like a humanoid with metal/bionic parts would be the Cybermen from the 70s to present day from Doctor Who sort of Daleks but really those were tanks that were driven by organics, but typical cyborgs in concept are all pretty much alike and average person would compare them to Star Trek Borg

    Oh and Transforming robots most would say Transformers but there are a lot of other franchises with them and Transformers wasn't the first

    Cyborgs are older than The Borg. The Borg are "interesting" because of their hive mind. Not because they mix tech and biology. You left out the Six-Million Dollar Man for a US pop reference to cyborgs. There are whole generations (Z, ɑ) of people who've never watched TNG and know nothing about The Borg.

  • MadaMada Posts: 2,065

    First use of the word "cyborgs" was in 1960 :) https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/cyborgs?

    The earliest strong candidate for the category is Edgar Allan Poe’s “The Man That Was Used Up,” published in August 1839.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_That_Was_Used_Up?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 111,093

    garrett_3d said:

    You know, I've never thought of Cybermen as cyborgs for some reason, but now you mention it.

    It seemed to me that, appearance aside, the Borg were pretty obviously inspired by the Cybermen.

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,779

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    oh btw yes I know there is an eye of the beholder sold here by Darkseal + Digi-Mig https://www.daz3d.com/idemon

    They're not called "eye of the beholder"; they're just beholders

  • ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    cyborgs would be tricky most would probably say inspired by The Borg from Star Trek even though they've appeared in soooooo many other franchises the look concept is practicly the same from Warhammer 40,000, Judge Dredd, Red Dwarf, various 2000 AD comics other scifi comics, lots of 70/80s + Scifi movies/shows the only cyborg I can think of that looks diffent to the rest looking like a humanoid with metal/bionic parts would be the Cybermen from the 70s to present day from Doctor Who sort of Daleks but really those were tanks that were driven by organics, but typical cyborgs in concept are all pretty much alike and average person would compare them to Star Trek Borg

    Oh and Transforming robots most would say Transformers but there are a lot of other franchises with them and Transformers wasn't the first

    Dont forget the Quake 4 Strogg. Some rather unique scary Strogg Borgs in that videgame franchise. I'll never forget the first time I played it when you die and your character goes through the forced stroggification process. The stuff of nightmares when I was a kid. 

  • PadonePadone Posts: 4,275

    As I see it, when we buy a product on the daz store we are covered by the daz license, which grants to use the product for commercial purposes. If there's any issue with copyright it's daz who will respond, the daz customer is certainly excluded from liability, doesn't have to do any IP research.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,818

    Richard Haseltine said:

    garrett_3d said:

    You know, I've never thought of Cybermen as cyborgs for some reason, but now you mention it.

    It seemed to me that, appearance aside, the Borg were pretty obviously inspired by the Cybermen.

     

     The basic concept is similar, yes, but the Bortg's visual look owes more to a bunch of cheap italian sci-fi thrillers from the sixties, where android/cyborg charecters were often portrayed by shaved-heaved actors who were painted various shades of gray or metallic, wore padded jumsuits, and had various mechanical bits pasted all over their bodies. Of course, the logic is pretty simple - it's the cheapest way to make a large bunch of actors look alien/mechanical without blowing the costumeing and makeup budgets... kind of the same look that dictated the original look of the 60's Klingons.   

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,818

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

     

    Oh and Transforming robots most would say Transformers but there are a lot of other franchises with them and Transformers wasn't the first

    Actually, that's sort of correct.  The very first transfoming robot was the Valkyrie fighter from the TV series Super Dimension Fortress Macross, released in Japan in 1982.  As previous giant robot series had all featuresd robots with modular parts, or robots that combined to form other robots ( such as Golion and Dairuger 15, which were edited together and released as a single series in the U.S. in 1984 as Voltron) the series is widely acknowledged as the definitive first example of a transforming robot.  Eventually Macross would also brought to the U.S in English as the first part of the series called Robotech, where it was edited together with two other series - Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospeada. However, before Macross came officially to the U.S., the series and the transforiming toys based on it became had become so incredibly popular that many other series featuring actual transforming robots were being produced.  American toy companies took note and quickly went to japn to buy the rights to make copies of those toys, which formed the basis of the original releases for the Transformers and Gobots toy lines.  As it happened, the Transformers line licensed the Valkyrie design and renamed it Starfire.... so, technically, one of the Transformers was sorta the first transforming robot.

     

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,818

    Padone said:

    As I see it, when we buy a product on the daz store we are covered by the daz license, which grants to use the product for commercial purposes. If there's any issue with copyright it's daz who will respond, the daz customer is certainly excluded from liability, doesn't have to do any IP research.

    Noit completely.  In your proposed scenario, the customer would likely be protected from most kinds of financial litigation if they were unaware of what the item was (it would be hard to argue against, say, using something from Aliens in an Aliens render,, or using a celibrity look alike to make merchandise.)  However, if the item was used in some kind of commercial product, like a poster or T-shirt, the customer could conceivably get a cease and desist against any future use or sale.  Beyond that, it would mostly fall on the PA and DAZ3D, with the former taking on most of the onus, while DAZ could have some extra protection if they could show that they were unaware of the infringement. In the end, though, it really depends on the IP and license/rights holder involved, as some compy's are extremely litigious. For a lot of properties, though, you'd be surprised at how little money it costs to secure the rights.       

  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 1,905

    IANAL. TINLA.

    The IP owner can't sue Daz because a third party is using their IP without a license. They will sue the distributer. The distributer, when they lose a lawsuit or incur lose because they have to recall a product, then has standing to sue Daz for selling them something it wasn't legal for them to redistribute.

    And all of that would take years worth of legal fees as you are the defendent in the IP lawsuit. And then the plaintiff in the breech of contract lawsuit.

  • PadonePadone Posts: 4,275

    Yes, for the DAZ EULA it seems you're right. I was wrong about it. Essentially DAZ grants that to the best of their knowledge the assets on the shop are fine, but should any legal issue arise the customer agrees to hold DAZ harmless. Weird.

    • Patent Copyright, and Trade Secret Indemnity. User agrees to defend, indemnify and hold DAZ harmless against all liability resulting from or related to any claim that (i) any content, Generated Content or work created by User, or (ii) User's use of any Content, infringes any third-party patent right, copyright or other intellectual property right, or misappropriates, or misuses any trade secret or other proprietary right, or any portion thereof, of any third party.
    • Infringement Warranty. DAZ warrants to the User that, to the best of its knowledge, the digital data comprising the DAZ Content developed and owned by DAZ, does not infringe the rights, including patent, copyright and trade secret rights, of any third party, nor was such digital data unlawfully copied or misappropriated from digital data owned by any third party; provided, however, that DAZ makes no representation or warranty with respect to infringement of any third party's rights in any image, trademarks, works of authorship or object depicted by such Combined Content or in any Combined Content developed by any of DAZ's licensors.
  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,830

    And all of this could be avoided if creators would just be honest and put the little 'inspired by' notice that I suggested earlier on their product pages.

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