Bricked - Updated DAZ Studio
larrygilman
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When I open DIM 1.4.1.67, ther is only one "Launchable Products", Hexagon 2.5
Something abouit the DAZ Studio Update didn't work.
I have been think for a while that I want to go back to Windows 10 or Zoran Pro (Linex)
It seems since the last Win 11 update, this desktop has been running slower. Possibly because of MS's AI.
I have read and heard that others have noticed system changes.
At any rate I an attaching the Error Report, as the link does not work.
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Sorry to hear that. I am installing Win 11 this week, been putting it off and not looking forward to all the hoops I will have to jump thru to get it configured and useable.
There have been reports of Win11's latest update breaking NDIVIA stuff. I don't know the details.
100% true. My 4.24 version crashes with an iray error report. I've been unable to fix it, can't uninstall the update and there is no restore point. I'm at the point where I am thinking about resetting windows. I tried updating my nvidea driver, rolling back the driver, nothing works. Fortunately, I still have version 4.10 installed and for some reason, it works fine. I also run the alpha version since I have a 5000 series card. But, I would prefer that 4.24 worked.
I have the latest Windows 11 update (11 Jan.) and DAZ Studio 4.24.0.3 but didn't install the latest (non 3DL) update. So far I have been able to render scenes in iRay without problems.
...this is not good news.
Potential issues like this with auto updating bricking software and even some hardware was one of the things that held me back from Win 10, particularly with regard to Home Edition as you had little to no say in the matter. They relaxed that policy later, but Win 7 was still had few years of support to go at the time and has run trouble free for me ever snce I first intalled it and after I updated to the Pro version.
Of course most hardware and software developers today (save Daz and GIMP) no longer support it Google Chrome did so it a couple years ago and Firefox will be following suit later this year.
For WIn 10 about all that is available now are the Enterprise and Server LSTC editions but those require a different form of licence and cost more.
I have Windows 11 and have the latest updates installed as of yesterday, 21 Jan 2026, along with the latest Nvidia updates and I was working on Daz Studio 4.24.0.4 without issue. I did a download of products I had purchased on DIM prior to that.
Currently I am on my MacMini M4 and it is also updated to the latest update and I am not having issues with DIM, nor Daz Studio.
this is the [issue] that bothers mewith software now. New versions break so many things. I've spent a ton of cash here at DAZ and do not appreciate, even a little bit, things not working, and even worse that not all add-ons are then fixed for the newer versions. Then you end up buying even more. My new policy is no more upgrades/updates to DAZ Studio, and hopfelly Nvidia and Windows won't break it anyway.
I just updated today. windows 11- with all their stupid forced updates, all my nvidia drivers are also up to date. I did have something funky happen, but I think it was because I had tried to launch it from an icon that was for 4.23. Found the 4.24 icon and no problems. rendered just fine.
Hit Windows 10 too. I thought we didn't get updates anymore, but when I shut down the render PC there was an option for "update and restart" so I gave it a try. When it restarted however I ended up in an endless BSOD loop where the first BSOD triggered System Recovery, but that caused another and different BSOD before the Recovery options would show. So there was no other way but to plug in a Win 10 install USB stick to get into the Recovery options. Uninstalled the latest updates there and it booted up again.
Now the screen was in low resolution however. I then found out that the NVidia driver had been uninstalled which I didn't understand, so I reinstalled the driver, an older one, since newer versions are causing BSODs, (old GTX1070 card). Then I got another BSOD during install and the PC shut down completely. It did however boot up again normally, but the driver had not been installed.
I then checked Updates and saw that the latest updates contained both a security update (KB5071959) and the latest NVidia driver update (which is why the driver had been uninstalled when the updates were uninstalled). After messing around with things for some time I eventually realized that that Security update probably was causing both the old and the new driver to BSOD, so I uninstalled the Security update and then reinstalled the old driver. Then it finally worked.
Haven't tried the new driver without the Security update to see if it BSODs, like the next version after the old one that works does, but the old one works fine so I won't take any chances, at least not for now. And I've set Windows to not automatically install any drivers so I won't get any surprises on that front, at least.
I don't update my Nvidia driver until it's utterly needed
been ignoring the icon in taskbar for over a month
been burnt too often
...this is why I disliked the move to the bundled "roll up" model. for updates. Beforehand, monthly security updates were distributed as individual files which allowed for screening each individual KB file for bugs or instabilities. If one was reported to have a bug, I would not install it At most it probably took less than an hour each Patch Tuesday. The extra time spent paid off in smooth trouble free operation.
When MS changed to the Rollup model on October 1 2016 for all versions of Windows, I beefed up my system's security, and then turned off updating altogether (in those early days I read more than enough accounts about issues peole were having with the mandatory updates for Win 10).
UPDATE: Actually I'm not 100% sure now if it's the KB5071959 update that was causing the issues, since I can see that one was released on November 2025, and the system was supposedly fully updated during a complete reinstall on December 25. The install date for KB5071959 does indeed say 2026-01-22, but it may possibly have been reinstalled by Windows on that date after it had been uninstalled, during one of the reboots (I had disabled automatic driver updates right after the updates uninstall, so the NVidia driver could not be reinstalled also, at that point).
In that case the last BSOD may have been unrelated to KB5071959, and the first ones caused by the new NVidia driver alone. I do have an image of the system drive from December 25, will have to check if the KB5071959 was installed at that point.
I've never bothered with or allowed updates to my system. I took my laptop to Starbuck's after I retired to use their wifi and went through two laptops over the ten years. It dawned on me one day that I'd never set up MalwareBytes to start at boot on the second laptop so I fired it up to run a full scan. First I had to download the current version - and then the database was 18 months out of date, so I had to let that be downloaded and installed. The full scan ran close to 40 minutes and at the end there were two PUP (potentially unwanted programs) quarantined. Nothing else.
I use Thunderbird for email, Windows Defender as a firewall, Adblock Plus and Privacy Badger add-ons for firefox - and no antivirus. I just use caution when clicking on strange links - to the point of looking up sites with Google or Duck Duck Go and keying the link in FireFox by hand rather than clicking on it.
Well I can now confirm that it was not the KB5071959 update that caused BSODs. I restored the original raw system image made back in December, and KB5071959 was already installed there. I then installed the old NVidia driver that I knew worked, and it rebooted with no issues. So it can only have been the new NVidia driver which Windows automatically had installed that caused the BSODs.
What NVIDIA driver version? I usually instal those after direct download from NVIDIA (studio version only). I ask because they haven't updated since Jan 5:
Driver Version:591.74 Release Date: Mon Jan 05, 2026
Driver Version:591.44 Release Date: Thu Dec 04, 2025
Driver Version:581.57 Release Date: Tue Oct 14, 2025
The one Windows installed was 32.0.15.6094 (which I think translates into 560.94?). The current update in the NVidia app is however 581.57. But anything newer than 552.22 is crashing my 15+ year old system (with a GTX1070).
Ah, I stopped being able to update my Nvidia drivers on my GTX cards, Window 10 computers last year sometime. It was then I bought my Windows 11, RTX 4080 laptop. My Win 10 desktop refused the Nvidia update but the Win 10 laptop accepted it and I had to take the nuclear option to access my computer's controls to go back to the previous Nvidia update.