Please let us have a mature content filter for gore!!!
Fae3D
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I do appreciate the filter we have for nudity on this site, but I would much, much rather see that than all the gore I've seen lately. I have no problem with it being available, some people like it, that's fine. But I do NOT want to see it, it makes me physically sick. Also, I wasn't expecting any to be on the front page today (seeing as Halloween is officially over), but there it was, and my daughter saw it and freaked out (she's autistic, and things like that really bother her). Please please PLEASE let me opt out of seeing that!!! We already have a mature content filter, can't we add something to it for gore?
I didn't put this in Product Suggestions because it's about a website feature, not a product. If it should still go there, let me know and I'll absolutely move it.
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I would like this as well. There are some things I would rather not have triggered. I won't ask for spiders to be blanked out, but there is some things that set me off.
I don't know if it'll do any good, but I put in a ticket requesting this feature. I had no idea what to put it under, so I used Technical, since it's about the website and not a sales issue. Maybe someone will see it.
What gore? Where?
Today it was "DA Rotten", which I will certainly admit is not nearly the worst they've had, but it's still really gross and freaked out my kid. Things like the promos for "Blood and Infection" "Zombie Rotten" and "Long Time Dead Zombie Character and Clothes" are some, no idea what the full product looks like as I'm not about to click on them, it was gross enough looking them up for the names. The "Apocalytic Friend" products are a more extreme example, I remember those specifically. Pretty much anything that comes up when you do a search for "zombie". If it is absolutely covered in blood (some blood is perfectly fine, just no extremes and no... bits, I guess), and/or shows any kind of internals or bones exposed, I really don't want to see it.
Maybe a way to address your concern is a horror label for products like the ones you mentioned and the ability for you to filter out products with a horror label.
I guess what I am suggesting is an exclusion filter just like they have Genre filters but instead of filtering to a Genre it would exclude a Genre.
Yes, that was quite bad. It looks like either the creature has one big head and a lot of small heads, or a lot of small things coming out of a big thing.
Exactly ... and I can't tell you specifically why it creeps me out so much but DA Rotten does not really bother me. However I do agree it could use a filter of some kind and items like it. I don't want to see that on my morning store browsing at DAZ. Looks too much like a bad breakfast.
I'm so sorry you and she experienced that. I've got an autistic kiddo, too... solidarity. I hope she (and you) were able to find some peace today.
Agreed that distrubing images shouldn't be shoved in people's faces. That kind of content ought to involve consent. I really hope they implement your request.
Thanks for the support, everyone! I must say, I never saw anything strange about the opossum page, but now that you mention it I see that it absolutely could look freakish! And thanks, SilverGirl, I think (hope) she forgot about it before bed, I guess I'll know if she gets up later feeling scared. I really, really try not to let her see my screen when I'm on the Daz website, but sometimes she comes in and I don't notice right away.
BTW, I just want to make it clear that I am NOT IN ANY WAY disparaging the creators of these products. They are making things that interest them, and that's fine. In fact, I mentioned a RawArt product, and he is one of my absolute favorite vendors ever. I just PERSONALLY don't like to look at such things, and wish there was a filter to prevent it. And yes, a filter to exclude certain themes would work, too!
I think we all have those moments, where they defeat our best attempts at child-proofing (whatever that happens to look like for the particular child/circumstances). I hope you're right that it didn't stick with her... and hope also that she's easily comforted if it does turn out to be an issue.
For what it's worth, I didn't take anything in your posts as against the artists, or even the existence of the content. Horror is horror for a reason, and by nature some people are going to have a visceral, unpleasant reaction to it. If the goal is to have people want to visit your store/page, it just makes sense to not literally scare them off! I think your suggestion is a great accessability request for a LOT of people!
I agree with this.
I've also been n noticing that "clothing" wise, the store is beginning to resemble a certain site that begins with an "R" and ends in "a"..
I have wanted a filter like this for a long time, so I can only support this suggestion. For example, there is a promotional image for a product from ForbiddenWhispers that regularly prevents me from looking through sale lists where it might appear (it is or was in the outlet at the moment). The image is very, very well done – but that is precisely the problem. It's too good, too realistic.
It would be an advantage for both sides if you could filter out products that you would never buy and/or don't want to see. Daz would get a much sharper profile of its customers, and they wouldn't be constantly annoyed by stuff they don't want and therefore don't want to see.
I absolutely support this, I'd actually put a request in the sales thread on Halloween asking DAZ to remove that horrific promo. But there was no reply. Even if you don't have any specific mental sensibilities, it just puts me off my breakfast to see people's bits and bobs oozing all over the place. As if there isn't enough horrors in the news already.
I'm filing a ticket as well I think.
Edit: Okay, did file a ticket, sent it to Sales, figuring we'd spread the request over several departments.
Completely agree with this suggestion.
Another way they could alleviate the issue, if filters and toggles prove more difficult to implement, is move the main promo image to another position in the carousel and have a "kid friendly" image for the main promo. This way alteast it would not show up when scrolling the store. To see the "good" stuff you would have to open the product page.
I realize that this might seem less click enticing but it would not increase website management and really accepts the fact that the customer (eyeballs) browsing the store is already interested in DAZ products so they do not require enticing images just to see what that product is all about.
Customers are going to doom scroll all the new products anyway.
Who knows, maybe artists will rise to the challenge of making main promo images that do not require "shock and awe" to entice you.
I think the racy and shocking main promo images has started because some artists on the site were permitted to do it and now other artists feel compelled to do it just to make sure they don't get lost in the scroll. If everyone has to comply, then compliance becomes easier because the fear of missing out by artists is removed.
A kind of me too movement.
What I would really like to see a completely revamped filtering system for the DAZ store. They have 65258 products at the moment. Most people, with lives, will not continuously visit the DAZ store if it requires a great amount of time to scroll through many pages of products just to see something that might entice them.
In my opinion, it seems like the DAZ store is trying to apply the social media approach of monetizing eyeballs on screens. If that is true it does not make very much sense for a store where people shop with intent rather than just for serendipity as might happen with a shoe or clothing store.
While it's common, the store thumbnail does not have to be the same as the main promo image. For an example where it's not, go and look at PN Kemasu, released yesterday. (I can't directly link the images here, the links won't work).
A lot of customers absolutely judge a product on its thumbnail. The thumbnail is by far the most important of all the promos, because it's what gets a lot of people to even look at the rest of them.
Even with new products, I certainly gauge whether I'm interested based on their thumbnail, and that's even if we're just talking about *new* products. But once we're talking about older products buried in 3000 others in some sales promotion of the day or the 200 products that some search has returned, no-one but no-one is checking every product page in detail.
The thumbnails *have* to be A-Game to sell a product.
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Also, a lot of products simply could not be thumbnailed in any feasible way if thumbnails have to be censored based on every common phobia. I mean, how would you sell a giant spider if your thumbnail basically isn't allowed to show the product at all?
It's one thing to ask for a filter for phobias, but it's just not feasible to set that as a base standard for all store thumbnails (even more so if any such change had to apply retrospectively).
Totally agree with OP and the above.
Well, we did end up with nightmares last night. Great. In response to Matt_Castle, I completely understand. I am NOT asking to filter away spiders, underwater scenes, depictions of high places, etc., I would like for the website to adhere to at least a PG-13 rating. According to www.filmratings.com/ratings-guide (quote/):
PG - Generally, violence is mild in nature. May include pushing and shoving, fist fights or brawls. Violence may be cartoonish, comedic or slapstick, or fantasy-like. If weapons are used, they are usually unrealistic (i.e. laser guns, glowing swords, magical powers etc.). If guns are present, they are used infrequently and, generally, bullet impacts to characters will not be observed on screen. Usually, there are no real details of lasting harm observed on-screen (i.e. no blood, visible wounds, characters dying onscreen).
PG-13 - Violence may have some realism to it or there may be frequent scenes of violence, but generally, violence will not be both realistic and pervasive or extreme. May include some blood but there is little to no lingering details. May contain some stronger scenes of violence but such scenes are infrequent.
R - Violence is more realistic than PG-13, usually with injury details more evident or distinct. Violence may be graphic in nature. May include varying amounts of blood or gore, torture, dismemberments, decapitations, etc. The injury is usually evident, such as gunshot, stab wounds, and knife/sword slashes. Can be intense in nature.
And farther down the page, there are definitions of different violent content:
Gore
Focus is on extremely bloody bodily injury. May include dismemberment, disembowelment, decapitations, exposed entrails or other images of exposed innards or organs; blood and guts; open wounds, torn flesh, exposed brain matter, explosions of blood, etc. (May also be described as Grisly or Gruesome) [R]
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I understand that the filmratings website is not a supreme authority, but I think it pretty well explains the general meanings. It appears to me that, at the moment, the website would warrant an "R" rating. I understand that because of the type of things people make with Daz, there is no way to keep things PG and still be a storefront (I don't know of many stores at all anymore that are PG). But I feel that PG13 is a reasonable request.
Anyway, thank you Tsroemi for also putting in a ticket. I don't think Daz employees usually look at the forum, so I think tickets are probably the only real way to suggest things to them.
I put in a ticket and I hope there is a positive response to this problem.
I agree! I've asked this for a long time.
I, personally, don't have any problems with horror content but I very much agree with Fae3d. There should be a filter of some sort to exclude it.
Cheers,
Alex.
@Fae3D I'm so sorry it stuck with her. I hope it passes soon. I'll put in a ticket as well.
ETA: submitted.
Thanks SilverGirl, she hasn't mentioned any more about it so far, so maybe it's forgotten now. Looks like there are quite a few people who would also like a horror/gore filter, so who knows, maybe someday something will come of it? I hope so, my daughter absolutely loves my Daz stuff, she asks for "art requests" a lot, wanting me to make pictures for some of the stories she makes up. I love it sooooo much, it's such a wonderful thing for us to bond over ^_^
Oh that's so wonderful! My little dude will occasionally lead me to my desk chair and make it clear I'm meant to sit... I suspect so he knows I'm in one place for a while LOL. Or possibly all those years of me writing papers for college, his sense of order now requires me to sit there for prolonged periods on occasion. Regardless, I get some art time with excellent company. :)
I'm lucky that he doesn't seem to understand that horror is supposed to be scary. (ETA: not that I expose him to it purposefully, but... stuff happens.) Teen Kiddo was really sensitive to it when they were small, though, and my ex- insisted he had the right to watch whatever he wanted on the TV, and he'd turn it off if she got scared (too late by then, and he'd throw an allmighty fit to cener himself as the victim). So I sympathize with the nightmares and such. I'm glad your girl seems to have shaken it.
That's cute that he sometimes decides you need some computer time ^_^ It's even more fun to play with Daz when your kid is enjoying it, too!!! So sorry to hear about the TV trauma (I don't say that jokingly, btw), some people just don't (or won't) understand that seeing scary things can have a REALLY big negative impact on people, especially kids. Sounds like it was rough, hope things are going much better for you now. And yes, thankfully we didn't have any more mention of it, so it turned out alright in the end this time. I still seriously want a filter, though, because there have been things she's seen on screens before that have followed her for literal years (and me too, honestly, I'm super sensitive to that stuff, I've had my own fair share of nightmares from Daz promos).
I really sympathize with those of you who don't deal well (&/or have kids who don't) with gore, body horror and the like. I can only imagine how awful that must be. I just don't like that stuff and don't want to see it.
Is it really going to negatively affect sales to have PG main promos & save the more graphic ones for the product page? After all, the artists who make things like pubic hair styles presumably make a profit with super-discreet thumbnails like bikini bottoms plus a Male or Female symbol.
I'm glad your daughter has come out the other side of this one... totally with you on the need for the filter, though.
Thankfully Teen Kiddo is doing much better now (and actually kind of likes horror genre stuff, though more of the ghost/haunting/psychological kind than straight-up squish). And things are much better in general once I managed to get the ex- legally removed from our lives (he can only have supervised visitation, and wasn't interested in it at all if he couldn't have unmitigagted control over the kids). Teen Kiddo has a fabulous therapist, and Little Dude was too young when we got out to understand what was going on, and doesn't really have the framework to wonder why things aren't different than they are. It was the best possible outcome for our particular story, and I'm grateful for it every day that I'm one of the lucky ones who got completely out, and no one was un-alived in the process.
As a side note, I'm not sure if it would help your scenario or not, but part of what really helped Teen Kiddo overcome their fear was learning how a lot of the special effects were accomplished. Like... scary Halloween decorations, we'd talk about the mechanics of it, how the motion sensor worked so it knew to activate, how the noises were a recording, the robotics behind the movements. They got interested in some special effects makeup videos for a while... that kind of thing. Obviously every person and situation is different and this might not fly at all on your end of things... but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway, just in case it would either help or spark another idea that might. <3