Bought Nyla for Sadie16, but....
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Okay, just bought Nyla for Sadie16 because it was 79 cents, but now notice the ad copy mentions needing something called Sadie - Morphs+ (in addition to Sadie 16, of course), but I can't locate Sadie - Morphs+ here, does anyone know where that could be officially acquired?
And semi-related to that, how does the character look when created without that morphs pack? Come to that, what does the character look like without Sadie 16?
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You definitely need Sadie 16 for Nyla. Nyla is a set of morphs and textures and textures for Sadie 16. Therefore, there is not CR2 (a character file) with the Nyla product.
Both were designed to be used in Poser, not Daz Studio.
You CAN use Nyla in Daz Studio, however her texture will not be as wondeful as it is in Poser.
Nyla and Sadie 16 are 17 year old technoligy. They came out in 2008.
So, you need Sadie 16 and possibly the morphs in 3D Universe Toon Girl Sadie. Not sure about the latter, though.
Regards,
Richard
Richardandtracy is correct. Sadie 16 is morphs for Toon Girl Sadie. So, you will need that package, as well.
Well, I mainly asked the later question because I'd seen other products where a character that needed another character to look right... could still be loaded, it just wouldn't look like in the product-page pictures... so it COULD be used to make a normal, usable character, just not the one in the product images.
As for Sadie 16... yeah, I've got that product pinned at the moment, to keep an eye on it for when it goes on a steaper sale at some point. It's just weird that the required-products-links didn't get inserted into the product page like normal. I wasn't paying close attention when picking a buncha ultra-cheap characters to grab (and so blinked and missed the "...for Sadie16" in the name) and was relying on the required-products links to be near the top of the product page. That said, it appears from a web-search that there DID used to be a specific, purchasable product called "Sadie - Morphs+" here at Daz3D... but its not showing up. Did it get temporarily pulled in order to fix something?
The older Poser stuff is often not well cross referenced to required products. To be honest, it might be a good idea to contact 3DUniverse and Or Morris and see if DAZ sells the right stuff to make it work. Might need to do it outside DAZ given the protection DAZ puts into place for vendors who don't go to the forums.
Regards,
Richard
There was indeed a "Morphs+" product for Sadie, I have it in my product library. Readme is here, though rather empty: http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/6308/start
I don't know why it's not available for sale anymore.
There used to be a store bug where the Required Products field sometimes disappeared temporarily from random products, whether that has been fixed I don't know (they were unable to track it down last time I talked to them, which is some years ago).
Yesterday I was looking at product I owned which had another as required product, but it did not say "owned" for the required product despite I owned that too (price, Purchased button etc. which often is delayed had already shown up, so everything else had loaded). "Owned" first showed up when I refreshed the page. So there definitely are some issues (Purchased products sometimes not showing as purchased is another, well known one).
3DUniverse have their own website: https://www.3duniverse.co.za/ with a contact address on top of the main page, so you could try contacting them there, as Richard says.
Okay, sent a message at the website.
The merchant responded, telling me the Morph+ product had dropped off the market here due to lack of sales, which I'm chalking up to mindless algorythms at work... or else the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, seeing as how there's this Nyla for Sadie 16 thingy that is now an Outlet Store product (and thus Daz Original) meaning that it won't (likely?) be going away anytime soon...
...and yet Daz3D allowed a required product for this not-likely-going-away product to disappear off the market here. You'd figure they'd place some sort of marker on the required product so that any such lack-of-sales algorythm gets automatically overruled if it wants to remove the required product due to lack of sales. My guess is, they might be relying on the linked-as-required products thingy to be that marker... except that isn't in place on the Nyla product, breaking this presumably in-built product-marker mechanism.
That said, the maker of Sadie Morphs+ did offer to sell me the product, which I'm happy about, but didn't get back to me with details on that. Or maybe my reply back to them on it fell into a bit-bucket somewhere in transit. In the end, though, the fact that a product that is still being sold here requires this other product, and others are probably in the same boat as I am, or will be in the same boat later... kinda lights a fire under the proverbial pack-animal wrt getting the required product back up for sale somewhere. Back here again? At some other site instead? Show up here again but at a reduced price? (But would the merchant feel buffalowed if Daz3D "asked" them to lower the price?) Daz3D buy out the required product and maybe also make it Outlet Store? (But would the merchant feel buffalowed by that being the "offer"? 0o) Some other approach?
The fact that the one product I can find that requires Sadie Morphs+ happens to be ultra-cheap priced... does have the unfortunate side effect that anyone who'd want to buy the required product for use with it might also unconsciously expect the required product to also be going for an ultra-cheap price... and that probably isn't particularly fair for the maker of the required product. That said, with the search system here, I've not been able to find if there are other products still available that require the Sadie Morphs+ product... but the search also didn't list the 79-cent item, above, that requires it, either... which rather suggests there might BE other products that require the Sadie morphs+ product which ALSO aren't showing up on the search, maybe ones that also AREN'T 79 cents...
Oh well, I figure the matter is going to be sorted sooner or later, and I'm not in a HUGE hurry to use the Nyle product, since I mainly just got it because I'm stockpiling things like it for possible use later on... say, in case I want to make a cartoon image to go on a TV screen in some future render project... so any pressure from me at least is off wrt them getting the required product back out for sale somewhere... but I dunno if someone else is in a bind over not having the required product. I hope not.
In any event, I hope everyone is having a hunkey-dorey day, or better.
The morphs+ product was likely removed years ago, long before the outlet was even a thing, so that wouldn't have been a factor.
And Nyla is indeed not the only product which requires a product not sold here or even not available anymore.
actually many outlet items are addons for quite dear products which may or may not go on sale
lots of textures
you still could use it with Sadie though for the skin texture
Yeah, likely I'll wind up using the Nyla skin on some other toon character somewhere along the line. Or the bikini. And since the ad copy says something about the Morphs+ being needed "to take full advantage of" the character, that implies I'd have a decently-toon-but-different-looking character if I don't have the morphs+, and since the main goal is for something in the background (on TV, on a wall portrait) or have a background character in a room with toons in it, this isn't that big of a problem.
That said, I'd rather like to buy the Morphs+ from someplace I could go back to 6 years from now and download it again, in the event of an HDD crash (knock wood), and if the "I'll arrange to sell it to you" offer involves I pay Paypal for it and the merchant emails me the zip file... even if they give me a big discount for buying it directly, I'd rather pay a little more for the peace of mind that I could go download it again from somewhere in the future... because while the merchant might remember 6 years from now that he sent the product to me in an email attachemt, s/he could also get run over by a bus 5 years from now. (Knocks wood harder.)
Well I got curious as I have both Sadie 16, Nyla, and the Morphs+, and never really used Nyla. Here's how they look - the Nyla Head Morph actually works partially, but you do need Morphs+ to get the full effect. Otherwise no difference, it seems.
BTW, here's Nyla applied to the original Sadie base character (no Morphs+).
I'm not sure if those were literally textured or just flat colour, but with the eys and nails given differnt colours they were near enough to need clothing.
OK, I didn't think that rule included toon characters.
Possibly more stringently, since a lot of the general public automatically read toons as "for children".