Computer Recommendations

Hi All,

I'm in the market for a new computer with the required specs to handle Daz Studio and Poser. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.

Enjoy your weekend.

Cheryl

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  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,273

    yes, I recommend you tell us your budget, otherwise for $57,000.00 I can sell you an Iray rendering farm or for $400 I can tell you to go buy something that will be fun for about two days before you realize you just threw away 400 bucks.

  • maatausetmaatauset Posts: 33

    LOL. Sorry. My budget is $2500-3000.

  • JQPJQP Posts: 520
    I recommend hardforum.com for these kinds of questions. But like Strat said, you need to post a budget. And I assume you are shopping for a pre-built PC? Personally I prefer parting my builds out myself. That way I know I can replace any part that fails or needs upgrading. The initial investment in time (learning and shopping) and money will pay off down the road. If you buy a good case and power supply now, they can easily last you through several builds (I especially recommend buying a good case for your first build, and shopping for it carefully, because if you do it will last you a very long time). The first builds are always the most expensive, because you have to buy everything you don't already have. Subsequent builds can be MUCH cheaper motherboard/RAM/CPU/(Video Card) upgrades. Good luck with it.
  • JQPJQP Posts: 520
    PS if you ask, the hardforum guys will deliver you all kinds of money-saving (but usually time-sensitive) deals.
  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335

    LOL. Sorry. My budget is $2500-3000.

     

    For that much money, you can assemble (or have someone assemble) a nearly pro-level machine.

    Core i7 6700 CPU, High-End motherboard, 32GB DDR4 RAM (about $700)

    2x Titan X 12GB video cards  (About $2000)

    Case, 1200W 80+Bronze/Gold Power Supply (About $250)

    Blu-Ray burner, 4TB HGST NAS Hard Drive, 480 GB SSD Boot Drive, Mouse, Keyboard, Speakers, etc. (About $400)

     

    That's about $3400.  You could drop a few things down and easily hit $3000.  If you drop the two GPUs down to 2x 980Ti cards and a 1000W power supply, you'll save about $800, but you'll lose some Iray rendering speed.

    You can re-use your existing monitor, but if you want a new one to go with, expect about $150-$200.  And if you need a new copy of Windows to go on it, that'll be another $100 roughly.  And any build/ship costs.

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,723

    I've heard you should wait for the new nVidia Pascal cards with 32GB RAM onboard with that kind of money. Such a card I imagine will take most of your budget.

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335

    I've heard you should wait for the new nVidia Pascal cards with 32GB RAM onboard with that kind of money. Such a card I imagine will take most of your budget.

    She'll be waiting a while yet, then.  The first Workstation cards are projected for April/May of this year.  Those start at prices outside her budget for thhe whole system (Workstation Quadro M6000 cards right now run about $5000).  The consumer level Pascal cards aren't expected before August/September at the earliest, and they'll be premium priced to start.  I'd expect it to be Dec/Jan before we'll see reasonable Pascal-based consumer cards at normal prices.

     

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,273
    edited March 2016

    if the dual 12 GB Nvidia cards are still $4,500.00 how cheap are these 32GB Cards going to be? AMD has an actual 32GB card already the low end one is $4,000.00.

    also Poser is in her mix so high end Nivida is not going to help her as much if Iray is not the exclusive rendering engine of the build.

    at the $2.5, 3K spending platform and provided you don't want to build, There is nothing wrong with not building or not wanting to, the $100 or $200 you saved could be hours of mistakes you made like failing to properly seal a cpu with thermal paste, or applying too much and your system overheats and you have a really cool looking doorstop. Simply put if you don't have the aptitude for it you could get yourself into a tight squeeze, dont let ANYONE tell you building is for everyone, I've seen people either take to it or destroy systems trying to do something that someone else feels is very simple because they did not understand it, or they did not embrace it with the passion that someone else has. It's an individual persuit, not a universal one.

    If you don't feel you want to because you dont have the right tools or aptitude or you just don't want to be bothered, my $0.02 from building and teching systems for decades is go with that first thought and I highly suggest at pre-built AlienWare desktop, these are made by Dell, they are the Mercedes/Mack trucks of the PC world - and in the event of the a problem there is one phone number to call and they are responsible for the system. You build, you have an issue with corsair PSU and a MSI GPU and you call one and get through to somene and they tell you two days later to call the other - NOT worth it - i've been there.

     

    Operating System Windows 10 Home 64bit English
    Alienware Area-51 Alienware Area-51
    Memory 32GB Quad Channel DDR4 at 2133MHz
    Standard Keyboard Alienware Multi-Media Keyboard
    Video Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX™ 980 Ti with 6GB GDDR5
    Driver 7260 AC Driver
    Hard Drive 256GB SSD 6Gb/s Main + 4TB 5400RPM SATA 6Gb/s Storage
    Standard Mouse Alienware Standard Optical Mouse
    Optical Drive Slot-Loading Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
    Wireless Intel 7260 802.11ac 2x2 Wireless, WiFi and Bluetooth 4.0
    Cable Power Cord, 850W
    Documentation/Disks Safety/Environment and Regulatory Guide (English/French)
    Support 1 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Onsite Service after Remote Diagnosis
    Systems Management Alienware Command Center 3.0
    Resource DVD Resource DVD
    Placemat Placemat
    Retail Software Dell.com Order
    Shipping SKU's Shipping Material
    Power Supply Alienware™ 850 Watt Multi-GPU Approved Power Supply
    Processor Intel® Core™ i7-5820K Processor (6-cores, 15MB Cache, Overclocked up to 3.8 GHz w/ Turbo Boost)
    Retail Packing Label Dell.com Order
    Packaging Shipping Material
    FGA Module No FGA
    Optical Software Cyberlink Media Suite Essentials without Media
    Additional Settings Dropbox, Digital Delivery, 20GB for 1 Year Promotion
    Game Controller No Controller Included
    Regulatory Label Regulatory Label, 850W
    Processor Branding Intel® Core™ i7 Label
    Microsoft Office Productivity Software – Word, Excel, Powerpoint & more Microsoft Office 30 Day Trial
    Non-Microsoft Application Software Additional Software
    Security Software No Anti-virus Requested
    Operating System Recovery Options No OS Recovery Disc Included
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  • maatausetmaatauset Posts: 33

    Thanks everybody for the input. I intend to purchase a custom-built machine and was quite lost on what I needed in terms of motherboard and video card. Now, I feel can make a more informed decision. Thanks again. ;D

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335

    There are plenty of reputable system builders out there.  IBuyPower.com, for example:  Just did a test configure:

    Gamer Paladin Z897

    Case 1 x Thermaltake Chaser A21 Gaming Case - Black
    iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction 1 x Basic - iBUYPOWER Harmony SRS Sound Reduction System (Foam + Silent Fans) - Reduce System Noise
    Processor 1 x Intel® Core™ i7-6700K Processor (4x 4.00GHz/8MB L3 Cache)
    Processor Cooling 1 x Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooler [Intel] - ARC Silent High Performance Fan Upgrade
    Memory 1 x 32 GB [16 GB x2] DDR4-2400 Memory Module - G.SKILL Ripjaws V
    Video Card 1 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980Ti - 6GB - GIGABYTE XTREME GAMING - RGB LED Lighting
    Free Stuff 1 x [FREE] - 802.11AC Dual Band Wireless USB Adapter - FREE with iBUYPOWER Desktops
    Free Stuff 1 x [FREE Game Download] - Tom Clancy's The Division - w/ purchase of NVIDIA GTX 970, 980, 980 Ti, 970M, and 980M Video Cards
    Motherboard 1 x ASUS Z170 Maximus VIII Ranger -- 3x PCIe 3.0 x16, 2x USB 3.1, 6x USB 3.0, 8x USB 2.0, DDR4 Memory
    Power Supply 1 x 1000 Watt - EVGA 1000 GQ - 80 PLUS Gold; Full Modular
    Advance Cabling Options 1 x [Blue] - Sleeved 24-pin Motherboard + 8-pin CPU + VGA Power Extension Cables (Include Professional Wiring)
    Primary Hard Drive 1 x 512 GB ADATA SP900 SSD + 4TB 7200RPM Hard Drive
    Optical Drive 1 x LG 14x Blu-ray Re-Writer, DVD±R/±RW Burner Combo Drive - Black
    Meter Display 1 x NZXT SENTRY 2 METER (TOUCHSCREEN)
    Sound Card 1 x 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
    Network Card 1 x Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
    Operating System 1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Professional + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) - 64-bit
    Keyboard 1 x iBUYPOWER Standard Gaming Keyboard
    Mouse 1 x Logitech G700s Laser Gaming Mouse - Up to 8200 DPI; Wired or rechargeable wireless
    Mouse Pad 1 x iBUYPOWER High Performance Gaming Mouse Pad - [$19 - $10 Instant Off = $9] [445MM x 368MM x 4MM] Low-friction surface
    Advanced Build Options 1 x iBUYPOWER Specialized Advanced Packaging System - Protect your investment during transportation!
    Warranty 1 x 3 Year Standard Warranty Service + 1 Year Return Shipping Coverage Plan - *Cover return ground shipping costs for 12 months*
    Rush Service 1 x No Rush Service (Usually Ships in 5-10 business Days)

     

    Came out to a total price of $2950. 

    Comes with a 3-year warranty, has twice the SSD space, a faster mechanical HDD (7200 vs 5400rpm), Blu-ray burner instead of just a DVD-RW, a high-end motherboard, 1000W 80+Gold Power Supply, and lots of extras.  The only improvement the Alienware has is the 6-core i7 CPU, where this one has the i7 6700k, which is 4-core, but faster (4.0GHz without overclock).

     

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,273

    4/8 core vs 6/12 core at render time with a CPU based render is a massive difference. If I drop that system to the 4core cpu and repurpose those funds I have something similar as well. I don't know iBuypower so I can't say good or bad (forums point to bad or 3rd rate PSU's and bad tech support), but I know Alienware builds tanks for systems, dell/alienware tech rates fairly high by tech trade and low by consumer (to be fair consumers only complain about tech support, they never rave about anyone) and does not skimp on components or the quality of their builds but that's my comfort zone. I've yet to know someone with an AW that regretted buying it - but as I stated I don't know Ibuypower, they may be amazing, and yes there are dozens of makers out there I would say I work in a corporation with thousands of deployed systems and I would say stay the hell away from HP, they make great printers and servers, but their laptops and desktops are poop, Lenovo makes garbage that is an embarrassment to the fact they USED to be IBM and anything from a brick and mortar store, check before you wreck it, their inventory is often old and their understanding of high end systems is very limited so prepare for being BS'd by a salesman. also I will never use newegg again after years of a trustworthy relationship they are no longer that same company that kept me going back.

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335

    Guess it depends on if it's a build for Iray or for LuxRender/3Delight.  And the doubling of cores only is for integer pipeline, and most of the calculations done for rendering are floating point.  So don't count on much help from that.  So it's just 4 vs. 6 cores.  Proper use of SSE2/3/4/5 extensions will make a much larger impact to rendering speed than the dual-integer pipeline ever will for rendering in-CPU.

    IBuyPower is actually pretty reputable.  Like you said, most consumers only complain, they don't bother to post reviews unless they're having a problem.  So I always take reviews with a grain of salt.

    And of course, before I'd drop that kind of money on ANY system, I'd be calling to company to verify the specs/brands of some of the components.

    Yes, stay away from HP desktops/laptops.  Lenovo laptops are hit or miss.  Some of their models work well, most don't, some really suck.

    And I tend to avoid Dell as well.  Lots of bad experience trying to upgrade/support their hardware back in the 90s.  They've improved since, but they still cut corners in what I consider areas that are critical.  The Power Supply is one of those.  Yes, even in the alienwares.

     

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,708
    edited March 2016

    This is the place we have bought 5 computers from. You get to pick everything that goes into the system and name brand. Very nice people. Fantastic quality and service. I'm not sure where your from but they US based company so not sure if they ship over seas.

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  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,273
    edited March 2016
    hphoenix said:

    Guess it depends on if it's a build for Iray or for LuxRender/3Delight.  And the doubling of cores only is for integer pipeline, and most of the calculations done for rendering are floating point.  So don't count on much help from that.  So it's just 4 vs. 6 cores.  Proper use of SSE2/3/4/5 extensions will make a much larger impact to rendering speed than the dual-integer pipeline ever will for rendering in-CPU.

    IBuyPower is actually pretty reputable.  Like you said, most consumers only complain, they don't bother to post reviews unless they're having a problem.  So I always take reviews with a grain of salt.

    And of course, before I'd drop that kind of money on ANY system, I'd be calling to company to verify the specs/brands of some of the components.

    Yes, stay away from HP desktops/laptops.  Lenovo laptops are hit or miss.  Some of their models work well, most don't, some really suck.

    And I tend to avoid Dell as well.  Lots of bad experience trying to upgrade/support their hardware back in the 90s.  They've improved since, but they still cut corners in what I consider areas that are critical.  The Power Supply is one of those.  Yes, even in the alienwares.

    The HP laptops are always a problem, I know the HP tech guys by first name when they make visits to swap out parts.

    if I had $3K to spend on a system (and not a guitar) I would build from the ground up with Corsair and ASUS parts so it would be a very different system. It would be an awesome system because I still use an i7 920 and a GTS 250

    Post edited by StratDragon on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,019
    hphoenix said:

    And the doubling of cores only is for integer pipeline, and most of the calculations done for rendering are floating point.  So don't count on much help from that.

    Are you sure about that? it doesn't match my experience, or my memory of benchmarks, comparing speeds with and without Hyperthreading.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,019
    if I had $3K to spend on a system (and not a guitar) I would build from the ground up with Corsair and ASUS parts so it would be a very different system. It would be an awesome system because I still use an i7 920 and a GTS 250

    Snap on the CPU - though judging by the CPU benchmark site posted in a recent thread on new machines doubling the performance of an i7 920 is only just becoming reasonably mainstream.

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335
    edited March 2016
    hphoenix said:

    And the doubling of cores only is for integer pipeline, and most of the calculations done for rendering are floating point.  So don't count on much help from that.

    Are you sure about that? it doesn't match my experience, or my memory of benchmarks, comparing speeds with and without Hyperthreading.

    Quite sure.  Realize that many operations on the CPU are integer based.  However, rendering is inherently a floating point process, and while shuffling memory around, or handling text data, or many other tasks (some of which can be associated with rendering)  which do benefit from the hyperthreading of the integer pipeline.

    Many game engines often optimize cpu-based threads to utilize primarily integer ops just for this purpose...then convert the results back into floating-point for handing off to the rendering engine.

    Also, the branch prediction for hyperthreading helps a lot too, but only on the integer pipeline.  It's whole purpose is to handle out-of-order execution between the two hyperthreads.

     

    Now, that said, it is possible to write a software renderer that is almost purely integer in nature.  And much of many CPU benchmarks is based around specific tests, some of which benefit from hyperthreading, and some don't.  You have to really get down to the nitty-gritty of the benchmarks to sort which CAN benefit from those that cannot.....and thus which ones will show actual improvements from the hyperthreading, versus the ones that don't, versus the ones that can but don't get much boost due to branch prediction cache misses.

     

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,924
    edited March 2016

     

    If you don't feel you want to because you dont have the right tools or aptitude or you just don't want to be bothered, my $0.02 from building and teching systems for decades is go with that first thought and I highly suggest at pre-built AlienWare desktop, these are made by Dell, they are the Mercedes/Mack trucks of the PC world - and in the event of the a problem there is one phone number to call and they are responsible for the system. You build, you have an issue with corsair PSU and a MSI GPU and you call one and get through to somene and they tell you two days later to call the other - NOT worth it - i've been there.

    Second that. LOVE my Alienware 51, ultra fast renders, runs quietly and I did my research before buying so far as reputation, repairs, durability. Worth every penny. Not cheap, and there's a reason for it.  And yes, customer service is suberb. I called with a question and got assistance promptly. That is also extremely important. Dell stands behind what they do, I've had those for over fifteen years.

    Post edited by Novica on
  • maatausetmaatauset Posts: 33

    You guys are FABULOUS! Thanks for sharing all the information.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited March 2016

    ...If you are not into home building, a custom build is your next best choice as you can get closer to what you want without gatting stuff you don't need (like bloatware and limited trial versions of software).  Both systems specified above do have their selling points The Alienware Area 51 does have 32 GB of quad instead of dual channel memory as well as the 6 core i7, but as hphoenix mentions the HDD in the custom build is faster, abd has a beefier power supply (something not to scrimp on). I also checked the two systems and the Area 51 only supports 32 GB while the motherboard on the Ibuyoower system will support up to 64 GB. 

    The other advantage of the custom build system (at least in my book) is it has Win7 pro instead of Win 10 Home Edition. YMMV concerning the OS, but I find Win 10 to have a couple undesirable features including a "digital assistant" (think Clippy on steroids) that continues to run in background even when turned off and a mandatory auto update policy that does not let you choose which updates to install.

    You can go to Ibuypower any other custom build site and actually configure your own system.

    I would definitely take the time to shop around a bit.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,773

    You can see my build here and maybe expand upon it because you can afford more (I'd add a second video card)

    https://pcpartpicker.com/b/9FRG3C

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,273
    if I had $3K to spend on a system (and not a guitar) I would build from the ground up with Corsair and ASUS parts so it would be a very different system. It would be an awesome system because I still use an i7 920 and a GTS 250

    Snap on the CPU - though judging by the CPU benchmark site posted in a recent thread on new machines doubling the performance of an i7 920 is only just becoming reasonably mainstream.

    my snarkiness aside that 920 has been a workhorse and the best CPU investment I've ever made. There are times it outperforms my Dual Xeons which are about the same age and it's been the backbone of my pipeline for years so I may try to prolong life with a new GPU and more RAM before I actually invest in making it obsolete. 

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