Daz loading new installs into Lost and Found, Why? and How to fix?

Richard Haseltine

IceCrMn said:

Sounds like I'm one of the few that use the drag and drop method?

I use it and the various editing dialogues in combination - some things are easier one way, some the other, and some it's a matter of where I am in the process.

One can simply drag stuff from the "Dumb" content library to the "smart" content and drop it in the appropriate category.

for example if I have a shirt for G8M that doesn't have metadata. I select him in the scene then drag the shirt from the dumb library to the smart library and drop it under "Default>Wardrobe>Shirts". Then export user data followed by re-import userdata to save the changes and apply them.

After that the shirt I added will show up every time I select a g8M in a scene under shirts.

 

For things like scenes and props it's much easier because you don't need to have a character selected first.

Just drag and drop it to the appropriate category in smart content.

I've been using the drag and drop method for years. I thought everyone was because it's so much easier than mucking about trying to edit things by hand.

No, this won't fix inaccurate metadata in store products that come with metadata. I ran into this recently myself. For those products I had to edit the files in notepad, not hard, just a nuisance.

Mr_Fluffkin

felis said:

I overlooked that she is not in default.

You can just rightclick and select Categorize and then place her where she should be. And also the same for the rest of the product.

You can also make a technical ticket and describe that she is wrongly categorized.

Thanks, that worked! And it looks like the installed extra-categories are automatically deleted when everything was re-categorized and there's nothing left in them. At least I hope so, I don't like orphaned database entries. But again, another example of the bad metadata of many products. I thought I had already experienced every possible error, but DIM installing an entire product in a second Smart Content main category was new to me. DS can surprise you again and again. Seriously, maintaining the database/metadata is more complex than DS itself.

Richard Haseltine

If the default category is the only one at that level of the tree with entries in the current state of the filtering then it is hidden and you just see the various categories that it contains.

Mr_Fluffkin

Richard Haseltine said:

If the default category is the only one at that level of the tree with entries in the current state of the filtering then it is hidden and you just see the various categories that it contains.

Yeah, I recognized that. Right after starting DS I first thought my lib was gone/hidden, because I've never seen the default category before and everything looked empty, because default was collapsed. This product was my first one that created categories ouside of the default main category. I hope they are gone now, as I don't want ophraned categories on "root" level in my database...

Richard Haseltine

Mr_Fluffkin said:

Richard Haseltine said:

If the default category is the only one at that level of the tree with entries in the current state of the filtering then it is hidden and you just see the various categories that it contains.

Yeah, I recognized that. Right after starting DS I first thought my lib was gone/hidden, because I've never seen the default category before and everything looked empty, because default was collapsed. This product was my first one that created categories ouside of the default main category. I hope they are gone now, as I don't want ophraned categories on "root" level in my database...

The categories will still be there - and you will still see the references there if you look in the Content Library pane (Vendor data, metadata from products, is not removed but only hidden in the other content panes - that prevents a metadata update (through DS or reinstalling the product) from overwriting user changes).

jukingeo

crosswind said:

What you bought is a texture add-on. Do you have its Base product ? : https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/162668 ;

Hold on...wait, wait, wait.   This is what I bought:

https://www.daz3d.com/instyle-jmr-dforce-odette-bodysuit-g9f

Why would I have to go to Renderocity to buy something that is needed for this item?   There is NO indication that this item has a requirement, which is normally listed on the right side along with other main information.

ONLY if you go down and read the description it says,  "This is an addon for JMR dForce Odette Bodysuit G9F available elsewhere."

I RARELY go down and read the description.  I ALWAYS look for the requirements listed on top.  It also should be indicated in the title that this is an add-on.  It was always like that in the past.

First, why isn't it listed as a requirement?

Second,  how come the main item required to use this item is no where to be found on Daz.  Do a search for "odette" and the required item doesn't show up.

No, I am sorry, but THAT is misleading.   Daz should pick up on stuff like this better and make it clear as to what the requirements are.

In the last batch of items I bought, there are a couple that are like this.  Thankfully one does have the main item, but the add-on wasn't labled as such, unless you go all the way down and read the description.  Again, it should be listed under REQUIREMENTS.

Looks like I will be doing a bunch of returns this evening.

 

 

ArtAngel

Richard Haseltine said:

danmast94 said:

People talking about "sudden influx" and "new products" as if this is a recent issue and not a problem that's existed for a long time. Items constantly end up in the Lost and Found. Metadata is constantly missing (including it disappearing from items that used to have it, thus moving stuff into Lost and Found that had previously been correctly tagged). Daz is responsible for making sure the things they sell work correctly and are managed properly. If one PA mislabels an item or does something wrong, then there's possibly an argument for shifitng the blame to them. When it's a widespread issue that has been constant for years, then it's no longer reasonable to think it's a PA issue and not a Daz issue.

The main topic is the large tranches of content brought over from Renderosity - in some cases there were hundreds of items and Daz simply wasn't able to process all of those to generate metadata. Gicwn that it is starting from scratch there is nothing to stop members from generating product data and posting it themselves - I have already done a few of Lully's products that I purchased from Renderosity, they would just need the store ID and SKU updating to reflect the current Daz store status - if/when I get around to that I start a thread.

While (generally much) older products may lack metadata, and some others may too, it is not common - if this is happening a lot I would suspect it is an instalaltion issue (for example, if you close DS and start DIM immediately it is possible for PostgreSQL to shut down on DS exit and not restart on DIM start, meaning that the metadata won't be added to the database).

To me, it's akin to a sign vendor selling an outdoor electrical sign or lamp, consumers  expect to operate via a power cord, only to find out it's lacking such. Sure I could hardwire the sign but should I have to? I seldom appreciate products that are not fully intact. And, I have wa-a-a-a-ay too many lost and founds. I don't need to accumulate any more. Doing the job someone else neglected to do is something that I am not interested in. How do I avoid these products? Is there a way to flag them prior to buying? If a product lacks readmes is that because it lacks metadata? How do we identify metadata deficient products so we don't waste time buying them? Or . . .  is the answer the only remedy to stop shopping here?

barbult

ArtAngel said:

Richard Haseltine said:

danmast94 said:

People talking about "sudden influx" and "new products" as if this is a recent issue and not a problem that's existed for a long time. Items constantly end up in the Lost and Found. Metadata is constantly missing (including it disappearing from items that used to have it, thus moving stuff into Lost and Found that had previously been correctly tagged). Daz is responsible for making sure the things they sell work correctly and are managed properly. If one PA mislabels an item or does something wrong, then there's possibly an argument for shifitng the blame to them. When it's a widespread issue that has been constant for years, then it's no longer reasonable to think it's a PA issue and not a Daz issue.

The main topic is the large tranches of content brought over from Renderosity - in some cases there were hundreds of items and Daz simply wasn't able to process all of those to generate metadata. Gicwn that it is starting from scratch there is nothing to stop members from generating product data and posting it themselves - I have already done a few of Lully's products that I purchased from Renderosity, they would just need the store ID and SKU updating to reflect the current Daz store status - if/when I get around to that I start a thread.

While (generally much) older products may lack metadata, and some others may too, it is not common - if this is happening a lot I would suspect it is an instalaltion issue (for example, if you close DS and start DIM immediately it is possible for PostgreSQL to shut down on DS exit and not restart on DIM start, meaning that the metadata won't be added to the database).

To me, it's akin to a sign vendor selling an outdoor electrical sign or lamp, consumers  expect to operate via a power cord, only to find out it's lacking such. Sure I could hardwire the sign but should I have to? I seldom appreciate products that are not fully intact. And, I have wa-a-a-a-ay too many lost and founds. I don't need to accumulate any more. Doing the job someone else neglected to do is something that I am not interested in. How do I avoid these products? Is there a way to flag them prior to buying? If a product lacks readmes is that because it lacks metadata? How do we identify metadata deficient products so we don't waste time buying them? Or . . .  is the answer the only remedy to stop shopping here?

Answered above already by felis: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/9309771/#Comment_9309771

 

ArtAngel

barbult said:

ArtAngel said:

Richard Haseltine said:

danmast94 said:

People talking about "sudden influx" and "new products" as if this is a recent issue and not a problem that's existed for a long time. Items constantly end up in the Lost and Found. Metadata is constantly missing (including it disappearing from items that used to have it, thus moving stuff into Lost and Found that had previously been correctly tagged). Daz is responsible for making sure the things they sell work correctly and are managed properly. If one PA mislabels an item or does something wrong, then there's possibly an argument for shifitng the blame to them. When it's a widespread issue that has been constant for years, then it's no longer reasonable to think it's a PA issue and not a Daz issue.

The main topic is the large tranches of content brought over from Renderosity - in some cases there were hundreds of items and Daz simply wasn't able to process all of those to generate metadata. Gicwn that it is starting from scratch there is nothing to stop members from generating product data and posting it themselves - I have already done a few of Lully's products that I purchased from Renderosity, they would just need the store ID and SKU updating to reflect the current Daz store status - if/when I get around to that I start a thread.

While (generally much) older products may lack metadata, and some others may too, it is not common - if this is happening a lot I would suspect it is an instalaltion issue (for example, if you close DS and start DIM immediately it is possible for PostgreSQL to shut down on DS exit and not restart on DIM start, meaning that the metadata won't be added to the database).

To me, it's akin to a sign vendor selling an outdoor electrical sign or lamp, consumers  expect to operate via a power cord, only to find out it's lacking such. Sure I could hardwire the sign but should I have to? I seldom appreciate products that are not fully intact. And, I have wa-a-a-a-ay too many lost and founds. I don't need to accumulate any more. Doing the job someone else neglected to do is something that I am not interested in. How do I avoid these products? Is there a way to flag them prior to buying? If a product lacks readmes is that because it lacks metadata? How do we identify metadata deficient products so we don't waste time buying them? Or . . .  is the answer the only remedy to stop shopping here?

Answered above already by felis: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/9309771/#Comment_9309771

 

So the lo-o-o-o-on one column of text. Thanks. Slaps self on forehead.

Leana

jukingeo said:

crosswind said:

What you bought is a texture add-on. Do you have its Base product ? : https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/162668 ;

Hold on...wait, wait, wait.   This is what I bought:

https://www.daz3d.com/instyle-jmr-dforce-odette-bodysuit-g9f

Why would I have to go to Renderocity to buy something that is needed for this item?   

Because a vendor with a store here has the right to make add-ons for items sold in another store, just like Renderosity sells quite a few add-ons for products sold here.

There are also cases where both products were in the same store initially and then one of the vendors moved their store elsewhere afterwards. 

I RARELY go down and read the description.  I ALWAYS look for the requirements listed on top. 

Honestly you (and all customers, really) definitely should start reading product descriptions because there are important information about what's actually included in what you're buying in there. 

It also should be indicated in the title that this is an add-on.  It was always like that in the past.

That's an item imported from Renderosity, they kept the original name it was sold under. Probably partly because import was an automatic process due to the number of products which were transferred at the time, and partly so that people who already bought it there can see it's the same one easily.

Unfortunately naming conventions are not the same in all stores. 

I do think it would be a good idea to at least add the "add-on" mention if the name of those products though.

First, why isn't it listed as a requirement?

Because the "required products" section refers to product pages from this store, and since the base product is not sold here there's no product here to point to.

Second,  how come the main item required to use this item is no where to be found on Daz.  Do a search for "odette" and the required item doesn't show up.

See answer above: a vendor making add-ons is not limited to making them for products available here, or one of those items might have moved stores.

In this case the add-on was initially at Renderosity like the base item and then moved here.

No, I am sorry, but THAT is misleading.   Daz should pick up on stuff like this better and make it clear as to what the requirements are

It's literally written on the product page that it's an add-on. There's not much they can do if people don't read the product page.