Questions about the Characters, Anax and Drut

COMIXIANT

I have a question about the characters, Anax and Drut:

Anax:  https://www.daz3d.com/anax-for-genesis-9
Drut:  https://www.daz3d.com/drut-for-genesis-9

On Anax, for example, he has hair features that appear bespoke for that character.  The brows, beard and even hair on the shoulders and legs etc, all appear bespoke.  Trouble is, the description only mentions the brows.  I thought well ok then, it must be a separate product for the hair.  But I can't find anything, so I'm wondering if all hair shown is included by default as part of the character.

And it's the same with Drut, who for example has what looks to be a bespoke head of hair, as well as bespoke body-hair here and there.

Also, do the materials for these two characters include Anatomical Elements texture maps?

 

Richard Haseltine

The file list for drut shows only the brows as parts, and no maps for the anatomical elements.http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/107939/file_list

Anax seems to be the same http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/94121/file_list

daveso

Drut has facial and body hair on every single product image. He doesn't come with that, and if not, how are those promo shots even allowed. Is that not false advertising?

EDIT: OK.. i had purchased him the other day. Just installed and rendered. I tried every MAT and setting possible. He is slick , not a hair anywhere. Still a cool looking character though, but those whiskers and stuff make a huge difference in overall appearance. 

Then the question becomes, what hairs is that all over the charaqcter that isn;t mentioned or doesn't come with the product but is in every single promo image. It was a low cost DAZ+ product though, so that relieves some of the feelings, a bit,. 

NorthOf45

Looks like the hair included with Dolb HD for Ollie 8. Not sure about the longer, fuller beard.

MelanieL

Drut's head hair (i.e. top of the head) looks like the one from Dolb by Soto - I'm not absolutely sure whether the body and facial hair are too? (they look fairly similar)

daveso

NorthOf45 said:

Looks like the hair included with Dolb HD for Ollie 8. Not sure about the longer, fuller beard.

Yes, I think that is it...here's a quick render. Might need a bit of fit adjustment. it is passable for sure, might be a bit different a bit.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 

NorthOf45

daveso said:

NorthOf45 said:

Looks like the hair included with Dolb HD for Ollie 8. Not sure about the longer, fuller beard.

Yes, I think that is it...here's a quick render. Might need a bit of fit adjustment. it is passable for sure, might be a bit different a bit.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 

You're welcome  

COMIXIANT

@Richard
I completely forgot about those file lists, cheers, and much appreciated.

@Daveso
It was really only Anax I was interested in to be honest (I only included Drut as a further example).  But thanks for looking into it and for the render, it's much appreciated.

@NorthOf45
Thanks for the detective work, well spotted and much appreciated.

@MelanieL
Thanks also for the detective work, and again, much appreciated.

@All
It's a shame it's not part of the character (Anax) or at least available separately for it.  No way I'm buying another G8 character just to get the hair when I'm using G9 these days.  And unfortunately, the lack of Anatomical Elements is quite a biggie and renders it useless for me anyway since he was intended as a bit of adult fun, something different to keep the girls in my content library happy, and Anax really had the right look to him.

daveso

COMIXIANT said:

@Richard
I completely forgot about those file lists, cheers, and much appreciated.

@Daveso
It was really only Anax I was interested in to be honest (I only included Drut as a further example).  But thanks for looking into it and for the render, it's much appreciated.

@NorthOf45
Thanks for the detective work, well spotted and much appreciated.

@MelanieL
Thanks also for the detective work, and again, much appreciated.

@All
It's a shame it's not part of the character (Anax) or at least available separately for it.  No way I'm buying another G8 character just to get the hair when I'm using G9 these days.  And unfortunately, the lack of Anatomical Elements is quite a biggie and renders it useless for me anyway since he was intended as a bit of adult fun, something different to keep the girls in my content library happy, and Anax really had the right look to him.

anax using the same hairs as Drut 

COMIXIANT

Thanks for the heads-up, daveso, I appreciate it.  If I ever see Dolb going insanely cheap then I'd buy it for the hair, and pick up both Dolb and Anax under a sale and voucher combo.  It's all a bit of a bummer really, but not completely out of the question since I don't suppose it would be too hard to recolour the standard gens to match the skin of Anax.

Shouldn't have to do that, though.   It should have come with the custom hair shown, and being a Daz Original it should also come with Antomical Elements maps, too.  I'm not saying that's a policy or anything, but I really think it should be.  I mean to make the figure work for me personally, I'd have to buy an older generatrion figure too (just to get the hair), and then I'd have to start messing around customising gen maps.  Both problems are easily avoidable, could have been and should have been, especially as the hairs already exist, and he's an odd colour and texture so is obviously going to need custom Anatomical Elements mats.

 

Leana

Most characters don't come with hair, and when they do it's clearly stated that it is included. The product descriptions list custom eyebrows only.

Moreover:

• Dolb is a product by another published artist, so even if they wanted to include the hair they would not have the right to unless they purchased it from Soto
• If they included a G9 version of Dolb hair with both characters, people would complain that they were buying it twice if they bought both characters. The characters would also likely be more expensive.

COMIXIANT

Sure, but on a character like that where the hair isn't available separately, it's a bit ridiculous, and so is the lack of matching Anatomical Elements mats.  What's even more weird is that they didn't even point out in the product description as to how the hair could be acquired.  I had to ask on the forum to find that out.

But no worries.  I can work around it, but the total cost and time involved isn't something I'm interested in.  I love the character (Anax), but this nonsense with non-existent Anatomical Elements mats is something that Daz really need to tackle by making them mandatory, with the only exception being underaged characters.

And whenever hair is not available separately, it should be included.  The G8 character Underbelly for example used a bespoke set of hair, but at least that hair was available separately, and the character had Anatomical Elements mats.

 

daveso

Leana said:

Most characters don't come with hair, and when they do it's clearly stated that it is included. The product descriptions list custom eyebrows only.

Moreover:

• Dolb is a product by another published artist, so even if they wanted to include the hair they would not have the right to unless they purchased it from Soto
• If they included a G9 version of Dolb hair with both characters, people would complain that they were buying it twice if they bought both characters. The characters would also likely be more expensive.

that all may be, but then the included prmo renders SHOULD NOT have the character looking as if it comes with the hair. All the promo images should be bald and slick. I've seen promo renders that state right on them, hair not included, earings not included, whatever. Don;t even put clothes on them. DAZ allowing nudity now anyway.or put a fig leaf or something over genetials for those with sensitive eyes, whatever, and be sure to include text if the textures are there or not.  Show us what we're getting, not some glamorized accessorized promos that do not even come with the character. Or to go a step farther, fo not show HD when the HD does not come with the character. etc etc.  There are a lot of questions within DAZ product offers, a lot. It would be a good thing for DAZ to tighten up their descriptions, etc. I know everyone keeps saying its too much work for the vendors, but it seems to me that if they want us to buy the stuff, it should all be expicit and up front, not a guessing game, or crap shoot what we're going to get. Same thing that a list of shown products be included as well. 

And I did for sure buy Drut becasue it appeared the hair was there, and it wouldn;t be the first time something was included and not clarified in the description. EVERY promo shot has the hiars. As far as file listing, how many routinely check that for every purchase? Half the time the readme doesn;t even open. I buy most of the stuff I buy just by looking at promo renders, or what I see can be kitbashed into another render. Possibilities. I suppose you could put it all back on the buyer, that old "buyer beware" thing that is so prevelant in society, but in my opinion its on the vendor to be straight up. 

Elliandra

Morning!
I agree with the general feeling of the hair in the promos should at least be listed in the used in promo's section 
I did find a body hair from Lactis Imagery that would work as a replacement for the body hair and it's on sale today!
Might also work with the Daz Genesis 9 Heavy Body Hair set as well.

Leana

Elliandra said:

I agree with the general feeling of the hair in the promos should at least be listed in the used in promo's section 

I agree that would have been useful, and having some promo pics without the hair too.

COMIXIANT

Complaints aside, whoever Spows is has some seriously major talent going on.  I just wish they'd include the hairs and Anatomical Elements maps in order to make these masterpieces complete and therefore able to be used in whatever way the artist wishes.  I mean wow, just look at this one of Anax:
 

WendyLuvsCatz

it is  always nice if the hair used is linked, especially as these are available in the DAZ store

daveso

COMIXIANT said:

Complaints aside, whoever Spows is has some seriously major talent going on.  I just wish they'd include the hairs and Anatomical Elements maps in order to make these masterpieces complete and therefore able to be used in whatever way the artist wishes.  I mean wow, just look at this one of Anax:
 

yes, much talent. Its great to see a character with real character. I actually have quite a few of his characters, including Anax, which, for some reason, I never rendered. I also dont worry about anatomy textures as I usually have pants or whatever on the character. It shoould be included in all characters though in my opinion.  

COMIXIANT

Indeed, but pants (or in this case loincloth) would only have gotten in the way for the role I had in mind for him.

He was meant to be an unexpected surprise for Ballet Girl, who likes nothing better than to tease the opposite sex (especially older men).  She's never teased anyone the size of Anax, though, so It would have been interesting to see how she'd behave in front of him if he were to suddenly appear before her in his birthday suit.

It would have made for a great Comix I reckon!

 

Dareshiranu

daveso said:

Leana said:

Most characters don't come with hair, and when they do it's clearly stated that it is included. The product descriptions list custom eyebrows only.

Moreover:

• Dolb is a product by another published artist, so even if they wanted to include the hair they would not have the right to unless they purchased it from Soto
• If they included a G9 version of Dolb hair with both characters, people would complain that they were buying it twice if they bought both characters. The characters would also likely be more expensive.

that all may be, but then the included prmo renders SHOULD NOT have the character looking as if it comes with the hair. All the promo images should be bald and slick. I've seen promo renders that state right on them, hair not included, earings not included, whatever. Don;t even put clothes on them. DAZ allowing nudity now anyway.or put a fig leaf or something over genetials for those with sensitive eyes, whatever, and be sure to include text if the textures are there or not.  Show us what we're getting, not some glamorized accessorized promos that do not even come with the character. Or to go a step farther, fo not show HD when the HD does not come with the character. etc etc.  There are a lot of questions within DAZ product offers, a lot. It would be a good thing for DAZ to tighten up their descriptions, etc. I know everyone keeps saying its too much work for the vendors, but it seems to me that if they want us to buy the stuff, it should all be expicit and up front, not a guessing game, or crap shoot what we're going to get. Same thing that a list of shown products be included as well. 

And I did for sure buy Drut becasue it appeared the hair was there, and it wouldn;t be the first time something was included and not clarified in the description. EVERY promo shot has the hiars. As far as file listing, how many routinely check that for every purchase? Half the time the readme doesn;t even open. I buy most of the stuff I buy just by looking at promo renders, or what I see can be kitbashed into another render. Possibilities. I suppose you could put it all back on the buyer, that old "buyer beware" thing that is so prevelant in society, but in my opinion its on the vendor to be straight up. 

The promos that really irritate me are the ones that have facial piercings on seeminly every single closeup. I mean, if the character comes with 'em by default it's not an issue I suppose. But what if I want to know what the character looks like without lots of distracting face jewelry, or hair that covers half the face? I mean, the selling point is the face isn't it? At least partially? The skin texture also I'd say. Some of what is chosen for promotion I find truly bizarre. I also like to see what a character looks like without tattoos, is that a crime?

daveso

Dareshiranu said:

daveso said:

Leana said:

Most characters don't come with hair, and when they do it's clearly stated that it is included. The product descriptions list custom eyebrows only.

Moreover:

• Dolb is a product by another published artist, so even if they wanted to include the hair they would not have the right to unless they purchased it from Soto
• If they included a G9 version of Dolb hair with both characters, people would complain that they were buying it twice if they bought both characters. The characters would also likely be more expensive.

that all may be, but then the included prmo renders SHOULD NOT have the character looking as if it comes with the hair. All the promo images should be bald and slick. I've seen promo renders that state right on them, hair not included, earings not included, whatever. Don;t even put clothes on them. DAZ allowing nudity now anyway.or put a fig leaf or something over genetials for those with sensitive eyes, whatever, and be sure to include text if the textures are there or not.  Show us what we're getting, not some glamorized accessorized promos that do not even come with the character. Or to go a step farther, fo not show HD when the HD does not come with the character. etc etc.  There are a lot of questions within DAZ product offers, a lot. It would be a good thing for DAZ to tighten up their descriptions, etc. I know everyone keeps saying its too much work for the vendors, but it seems to me that if they want us to buy the stuff, it should all be expicit and up front, not a guessing game, or crap shoot what we're going to get. Same thing that a list of shown products be included as well. 

And I did for sure buy Drut becasue it appeared the hair was there, and it wouldn;t be the first time something was included and not clarified in the description. EVERY promo shot has the hiars. As far as file listing, how many routinely check that for every purchase? Half the time the readme doesn;t even open. I buy most of the stuff I buy just by looking at promo renders, or what I see can be kitbashed into another render. Possibilities. I suppose you could put it all back on the buyer, that old "buyer beware" thing that is so prevelant in society, but in my opinion its on the vendor to be straight up. 

The promos that really irritate me are the ones that have facial piercings on seeminly every single closeup. I mean, if the character comes with 'em by default it's not an issue I suppose. But what if I want to know what the character looks like without lots of distracting face jewelry, or hair that covers half the face? I mean, the selling point is the face isn't it? At least partially? The skin texture also I'd say. Some of what is chosen for promotion I find truly bizarre. I also like to see what a character looks like without tattoos, is that a crime?

exactly. truth in advertising, the whole truth. Sometimes I see these beautiful characters in all sorts of beautiful promo images and I think to myself, well, I can;t get anything looking this good so why bother. The other side is I see characters wearing specific clothing and i would rather buy that than the character. I will say, the character quite often looks a lot better with the hair, jewelry, whatever than in their naked state.