Site navigation and searching
Woof
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This has probably been mentioned before, but I don't post often and didn't immediately see anything like it. If you do an actual search on the store site, it's great. You've got your categories over on the side, etc. But whenever there's a selection of products for a sale? You lose the "Category" refinement option, which leaves us with "Artist" (Rarely useful unless you already know what you're looking for), "Genre" (occasionally useful, but very hit and miss and many things cross genres), Figure (The most useful, but excludes environments, tools and effects, and props), and "Software" (Conservatively, 90% of the products are for Daz studio... there are times when this is useful but not often).
All this to say that when there's a sale like the current "Door prizes" one, I end up with 118 pages of products to look through because I can't sort to find environments or props, or specific types of clothing, etc. It seems like something that would be easily remedied.
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I agree. The best way I get around this is to 'wishlist' things I do want to buy when they are released if I don't buy it on the first day. Then when there is a sale, I select the wishlist tick box and see what pops up. I ignore everything else. For the PAs that brought products over or who released before one joined DAZ3d, I did take the time to look at each store and if I was interested in their products, looked deeper and wishlisted. You can curate your wishlist over time, as you find what you need vs crave.
I also pay for DAZ-Deals Pro which does pay for itself by saving me time and energy in this type of search situation.
There are things I would love to have improved on the main sort function in the store and our Product Library store tab. Like to match what is in DIM, A-Z (it is in PL tab), and other things. It is the type of irritation that stops me from wasting my time looking at items I didn't pay attention to when it was released.
Daz has never made a concerted effort to improve store search. Given how heavily dependent Daz is on new releases to drive revenue, there just doesn't seem to be much motivation to address the deficiencies in search and item categorization. Why give customers a quick, easy-to-use method of searching the back catalog? Daz would strongly prefer that you spend on items released recently, before those items become more heavily discounted.
Even though I'm buying quite a bit of content in March Madness, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would spend more if I didn't have to wade through so many items that I wouldn't want at any price (wrong genres, items transferred over from Renderosity, paid tutorials, extremely old content, etc.).
That isn't true, though you may not be satisfied with the results.
I suppose it comes down to the semantics of the adjective "concerted". If we take "concerted" to mean involving the actions of at least two people acting in a coordinated or cooperative way, then yes, at least two people at Daz have, at various points in time, attempted to improve the store's search functionality.
If we take "concerted effort" to mean an organized, serious, determined, and vigorous attempt (and I think "concerted" has these connotations in contemporary usage), then it's hard to believe that a concerted effort has been made. Instead, I think improving search has never been a high priority, so enough resources (labor, money, or both) have never been allocated to improving search functionality, thus few improvements are ever made while the problems persist for years.
I know that multi-person work, sustained over a period of time, has been allocated to search - more than once, as I recall.
It's such a shame the programmers have had so little success.
I put in a search for 'Dragon' a few minutes ago, and got many more hits than when I did the same thing a couple of years ago (16 pages of results rather than 3). This shows the search has been changed, but not necessarily improved. To give an example, one hit on page 1, sorted by relevance was AH dForce Hot Kimono Outfit for G9. Unfortunately the word 'dragon' appears exactly zero times on the page so one is left wondering exactly what relevance it had to the search term. Same with a number of the other hits on page 1 of the most relevant results.
If this is the result of a concerted effort to improve the search, then all I can say is 'Oh dear, what a shame'.
I'd personally expect the search to work such that every item with 'dragon' in the title to have a relevance co-efficient of 1.0. Every item to have 'dragon' in the blurb, a co-efficient of 0.75, every item with dragon as part of a word have a co-efficient of 0.5 if in the title and 0.25 in the blurb. Every item without 'dragon' anywhere in either the title or the blurb should have a relevance co-efficient of 0.0, and not feature in the results. Terribly simple to programme and get results that only include the words the user is looking for.
And, presumably searching for what the user asked for is a better way of finding what they wanted, rather than offering stuff that has no observable relevance to the search term.
Regards,
Richard.
I recently searched for Xochil and got nine pages of results, not one of which was the actual figure, which is probably the only thing in the store that contains that exact sequence of characters.
Thanks for the heads up on this! Wasn't aware of it.
You are welcome @Woof.
Mary
I just tried your search term too, and if sorted by "Relevance" , the Xochil character set was the top result but there were two pages of unrelated products also added down the page. I thought that maybe some of these would be the creator Saiyaness products mixed in and related by storefront, but no, couldn't discern the reason for inclusion of the others in the search results. Maybe there is a method to it?
Weirdly, it appears that the search is case sensitive. "Xochil" and "xochil" produce both a different number and a different set of results. Searching "Xochil" produces Xochil as the most relevant item (and about two pages of random irrelevancies, like Cinco de Lime-O). Searching "xochil" produces nine pages of results, none of them Xochil. But, the search results for "xochil" do include Henrietta Heart Hen.
I tried searching for the environment "Heijastus" with both a capital H and a lower-case h. Both searches produced FW Design's Heijastus as the most relevant item, but completely different search results (Capital H gets 85 results, lower case gets me 278 results).