Elianeck Lights
yodanniephantom
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Can someone help me who has bought the lights or? I may be overlooking or overdoing something, but once I load Elianeck's lights, they don't appear to resemble the promos that were posted via the advertisement. Is it something else I'm suppose to do? Did it download wrong? Maybe tamper with my own iray settings?
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I bought the lights and like them. I thought the hdri would more closely resemble the images in the promo art but they look like geometric shapes.
I would think that the HDRI for that sort of light set are pretty blurred and not images based on some of the images. I think most of those were done with very light gray planes for wall and floor so that the HDRI colors were clear. It is possible that you need different settings for the render/tone mapping. You could PM the PA and ask.
serenenight, hope you post a review etc in Novica's thread on them :D
I've got them too and am certainly NOT getting anywhere near the promo images at all. I couldn't make head nor tail of what they exactly were - just hdri's but no render settings or anything. I was under hte impression they were lights as the description calls them that. http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/67974/elianeck-lights-package-for-iray-question ;
If they are hdr that apply in the enviroment map setting then they very much are lights. My guess is that the PA should have included render settings but that is something even older PA's might not think to do.
on her deviant page someone asked about the bonus light she said it was a spotlight and the others a,b,c,d are the hdmi and you only see them in the render settings
http://elianeck.deviantart.com/art/light-by-elianeck-579706932
now some renders please
I was hoping for so much more from this artist.
I'm nonplussed.
Okay, I'll post a couple. Two test lights from the set. yeah, I fixed the pinky later in the pistol grip.
Same here. I fiddled with them for awhile but didn't get anywhere near anything desired. I'm not too pleased at the moment.
these looks great!!
SereneNight's always look great
my first 3 renders using these lights
In DAZ Studio terms, these are not lights, they are Render Settings. Why are we and the store and Smart Content calling them lights when they are NOT lights?
I expected lights.
I did not get lights, I got a poorly designed product that I'm not even sure is set up correctly. It is certainly lacking in the options I would expect to see in this sort of package (refer to any of Dimension Theory's similar packages which put this one to shame). The free package from FWSA beats this one. I am seriously thinking about making a case for returning it.
Now... all that said, I'm a huge fan of her artwork, it is rarely less than stunning. Her first commercial product, however, is lackluster.
are there really render settings or only some hdri ?
These lights would be IBL (Image Based Lights) using HDRI rather than mesh or photometric. I believe that it also includes a regular spot light that is/can be used in conjunction with the IBL light.
I'm going to edit and add that IBL with an addional spot is my prefered lighting set up most of the images I do.
I guess the HDR image provides light & there is a bonus light included but a very new user could be confused by calling this product "Lights" - I am not sure I would call these render settings either if I was trying to describe the product to someone else as what it does is put the HDR into the environent map box & anything you want to change needs to be done manually where some other products have lots of other 1 click options to help get you started
I always need new HDR maps & these are interesting & render fairly fast so I am happy enough with the purchase I made although I perhaps expected more setting options in the package - This is one of my renders using the lights
The set looks nice to me. I wouldn't mind HDRI images like the ones in the promo pics. The ones included aren't really for viewing, but the product looks good to me, and it is fairly straightforward.
They come as render settings presets, even though they are labeled as Lights; they don't, if I recall correctly, actually feature any render settings other than resetting Tone Mapping and Environment to defaults.
Khory, do you think I am quibbling over sematics? (said with no venom or ill intent) I don't think so. This product is poorly described and does not match the description of similar products, all of which clearly state that they are environment/render presets for Iray rendering. If the product clearly stated what it was (and the Smart Content met the standards of similar products) I wouldn't be half as ticked off. As it is, I feel misled. And that's before I even start to think about the HDRI themselves.
Iray lights using the environment map have, at least for now, to be delivered as Render Settings sicne that's where the environment light is set.
So as someone who has used DS for a LONG time, always on the 3delight, Iray is still a mystery to me. To me, "lights" are phsyical lights, cos that's what we've always used previously. Do we now have to think of HDRI "images" as lights too? This is where I'm getting confused. There are 5 HDRI included - A to E. Plus there is a "bonus" actual phsyical light setup. The icons for each light don't even look like what I get when I use them. No settings change when you use them in the environment map area. Nothing I am doing comes even remotely close to the promo images. Double clicking on an icon loads a HDRI in the environment map...and that's it. The description SHOULD have stated "these are 5 hdri maps plus one spotlight physical light" or somethign like thta.
uberEnvironment in 3Delight is also a light using HDR images - but it can be saved as a regular light preset.
HDRs are very much lights, if the definition of the light is that it provides illumination to a scene. A scene with no lights at all (including emissive surfaces) will always render completely black. A HDR provides light coming from all directions and is supposed to represent the light supplied by global illumination including a primary light (normally the sun for an outdoor HDR) and any secondary light from reflected light off the surfaces of the HDR globe (eg: the blue sky in the case of an outdoor enviroment, walls for an indoor one). The appearence of the HDR (if any) is thus secondary to its primary purpose of lighting the scene.
Whilst many people would think of a light (particularly for 3DL) as being a distant light, spot light etc, these generally provide light at a single point, where as a HDR provides light from many places in many directions. It is thus a light, even if it is very different from our classic concepts of a light.
that's what I thought hdr was too not just an enviroment/backdrop but also a form of lighting like daylight with other lighting used like photographers use reflectors and other lights to light up specific areas
If your saying that somehow HDRI are not viable lights for studio then I suppose I am Evilded...Because I'd have sold this product as lights. Nor do I think it would have helped a single person make a choice about purchase if they had been called render settings. I think that would have been more confusing.
If I were going to make a change to the product information it would be to change the bonus light description. I fully expected it to be an HDRI as well before I looked at the file type. I think it shouldn't be listed as a bonus light but as the included photometric. I don't think that the PA used that light in all the promos though which is why I suspect she (?) thinks of it as separate enough to call it a bonus light.
Looking at the promos you can tell that most of them were done with just the HDRI so why are others not getting the same outcome if they have the same light? I suspect there are a variety of reasons. Looking at the promos most of them are done with white/very light gray floors and back walls so they are reflecting and not eating the lights. If your doing images that have large props in the scene that are not as reflective then that will lessen the overall impact of the lighting. You can actually compensate for that by increasing the enviroment intensity by the way. If your using loads of walls that are darker then there is no question that it will alter the light levels and not give you the same outcome as the promos.You may also want to try rotating the dome based on the pose and where your placing your camera. One of the promo shows all 5 lights and it is clear that some of the lights are warm and others are cool. Likely that needs to be taken into consideration as well when selecting the lights for a character.
There are scores of reasons two artists will not get the same results with the same tools. It doesn't mean that there is an issue with the tools, or the artists for that matter.
I made this using ElianeCK's lights
it uses a combo of HDRI and lights (both from ElianeCK).
That's gorgeous, Lyoness! Stunning lighting and colors - that really makes me want to buy the new Elianeck Lights. :)
It is funny, I always thought the 3delight was the one that wasn't very much like physics.... I understand how a light box works with a physical camera anf HDRI's are a lot like daylight especially daylight on an overcast days while the 3Delight ones do a lot things that can't happen in the real world like negative light... I should mention that there is a freebie of HDRi's to go with the product on her DeviantArt page or the Daz-Iray DeviantArt page.
tks for all comment about my light
If you bought my light for Daz Iray "face and body"
here 3 HDRI Bonus to complement my light
here the link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cr4khpbaygb24mn/free%20%20hdr%20for%20elianeck%20light.zip?dl=0
tks
ElianeCK
Thelights are awesome as always with popping colors; this is one of my rare over 10 minute renders: