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Hera
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It was not fun opening the newsletter this morning and being met by a woman giving me an up yours. I'm usually not picky but that was tasteless! Especially since I know minors reads these newsletters as well.
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I have heard of one finger being a rude gesture in the US, two fingers in the UK, but I have never seen that gesture before (sheltered life), but is does not immediately appear rude to me. I thought at first it was a Vulcan greeting, but I can see that it is a little different. So many gestures, so few fingers.
That's the "Rock and Roll" symbol as used by Heavy Metal fans
This is a rude up yours gesture, IE middle finger only.
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LOL! I wonder if that image will stay up.
It does have some "rude" associations in Latin/Balkan cultures but in the context of the promo image it's pretty obviously a modern variant of the "rock on" gesture of Rock/Metal.
I don't get it, first off either I never get my newsletters on time or they are often different then what some others get... Wednesday was the last newsletters I got- the charming peasant dude and his charming horse, and the toony little ones... Nothing after that, not that I'm upset or crying or even thinking of an elaborate plot involving banana peels and highly trained fire ants as revenge, it's just I'll often see these posts about hilarious or weird news letters and go over to my email and not see what the OP is talking about... I would say about 70% of the time I've seen these posts... Not even late, because I'll see the thread days later and it'll remind me and I'll check back and nada...
Weird... Are there different news letters going to different grades of customers out there?
But besides that... Just curious about the current newsletter that is being mentioned here... Is it the gesture that looks a lot like the old victory or peace gesture? Here in the U.S., the single middle finger is the Rude one, double would be "take two, ones not enough" and if you are from old Brooklyn, arm bent, fist raised, other fist across joint of raised forearm and "_ _ _ _ you buddy!".... I'm sure there are more...
It's the main promo pic from She's Rock Outfit for Genesis 3 Female(s)
The Corna gesture as featured above:
The "nice" variant: Your partner is betraying you
The offensive variant: You're being **** both ways simultaneously.
Not exactly 'rock'n'roll'
I am guessing this image, not seen it either mine come late
is Satan's horns AFAIK
It origanated as the goat/bulls horns and was then reinterpreted as the devils horns as cultures were Christianized.
It was introduced to Metal by Coven and popularized by the late, great Ronny James. This is a reversed version which I don't recall being used 20 years ago but my memory isn't something to trust.
Edit: Spelling.
"Rock and Roll" here in the U.S,
Ah, yeah... That one... Stupid me, I should have remembered that... Yeah, it's like "Rock on dude!" here... Yeah, I do remember someone older being offended by that a while back... It was probably somewhere in Europe, can't remember where.
It's about all over Europe
I believe it is the direction of the hand. It should be turned the other way maybe? That gesture was considered bad years ago, but seems to have reformed as a positive. Still... if the arm had been twisted the other way, there would be no controversy. She's apparently giving the gesture to herself, as she is the rocker... while the folks in the audience get the negative view. :)
Correct. In my day (some previous century), the image in the promo was the "B.S." sign. The heavy metal sign faces the other way. One example of the European version is in the movie "Thunderball" at the Baccarat table where Bond and Largo are trading verbal barbs. Largo says, "You think to put the evil eye on me. We have a way to deal with that where I come from." He points the horns at 007 with a poking motion indicating exactly what's implied. It's supposed to be pointing the horns AT someone that makes it offensive.
This has been an interesting thread. When I did the google search for the rock on hand gesture, I stumbled on a few other sites that mention the corna gesture and found a site with a listing of various rude hand gestures and what they mean in some other countries. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/09/the-worlds-rudest-hand-gestures/245238/#slide1
Funny how my thumbs up avatar means "up yours" in Greece, Latin America, Middle East, Russia, Sardinia, Western Africa, LMAO!
Guess next time I travel abroad I'll keep my hands in my pockets, LOL.
The neightborhood I grew up in was an Italian/Eastern European/Irish mixed...you just kept you hands in a neutral position and in plain sight.
Sounds like a recipe for misinterpretation on many levels.
At least the Italians and Irish were probably all Catholic, LOL.
LOL!
Yes it is !
Warning! The video contains some profanity. I hope everybody gets to view it before the mods delete it, as it relates to this discusssion.
*Edit*
Okay, how do you paste youtube links? It's not working for me.
Just about every hand gesture that can be made means something in some culture. It helps to take the gesture in context of who made it. A metal rock singer is depicted and the creator was probably someone from the central United States (possibly Utah) and possibly not a heavy metal afficiando. The banner next to the hand also says "Ready to Rock". These could be clues that they were not out gesturing the European gesture for "bullsh*t".
For Heavy Metal North America it should be facing the other way.
If you are interested in human gestures consider looking up works by Desmond Morris
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Human_Animal_(TV_series)
http://www.gesturestudies.com/
https://books.google.ca/books?id=hDXnnzmDkOkC&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
While I understand some hand gestures can be rude depending on the country (in Vietnam, crossing your fingers is used to represent a woman's private parts and is very rude if you point it at someone), there also needs to be context and where the image originates. We live in a global society. In the US, the gesture is rock and roll, in parts of Europe, it's the corna and considered rude. The intent here is obviously not rude. Some understanding of the context should be allowed and exercised, imo.
Into France, it is rock'n roll.