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...I still use G1 as well as I have a lot of toon characters based off the "classic" Genesis figure.
Totally Hipster Bundle... loved it... Iray only. I haven't swore so loudly in a while. I even cleared out my cart because I was so frustrated.
I need a drink....
It's not likely to get better.
...a similar discussion recently opened on the Carrara forums.
That and setting the Normal Map back into its place. Yes, I would wish for something like that too.
I actually find that with the exception of shader packs, many Iray materials do render fairly well in 3delight. I have done this time and again. I also don't find converting from Iray to 3delight to be that difficult. It's a fairly simple procedure in most cases.
That said, though - I would definitely appreciate it being made MUCH clearer on the product descriptions. If something is "Iray only," then the vendor needs to say so. If it is "Iray with 3delight materials" then the vendor again, should say so. Likewise, if it is "3delight only," the vendor needs to SAY SO.
Also, I would really appreciate it that if the vendor chooses to make 3delight materials, that they actually test those materials out before submitting the product. Most of the time the 3DL materials with products are okay, but every so often I get one that I discover the 3DL materials are basically just the OmUbersurface shader applied and nothing done to it beyond that... and then the "3DL" materials render up looking like a plastic, shiny mirror under almost any lights. I know how to fix this myself, but for a new user, if they can't use Iray, it would be very frustrating I think.
I don't mind that some vendors choose to issue Iray-only materials. That's fine. Really. As I said, many of them render just FINE under 3delight, and the conversion from Iray to 3DL is NOT hard to do. I just wish the blasted product descriptions would be HONEST about what's in the flippin' package. That's all. It's not hard to be honest about it. It's basic consideration for your buyers, to tell them what they're getting before they spend actual money on it.
...well, certianly not looking forward to fixing all the shaders in Urban Sprawl 3 so I can use it in Carrara.
May just wait for the .obj release.
Yeah, true... Cararra probably is much harder to make it work.
There's a thread on it in the Carrara forum. Mostly it's just unchecking "Map U Values" for the stretchy textures (as with every Stonemason set), but predictably the layered road surface is giving the most headaches. And normal maps. Carrara ignores those on a .duf import, so they all need to be added back by hand. But yeah, big set, so masses of work!
...already subscribed to that thread as well. It's a lot trickier than that from what I understand.
I'm struggling with the whole Iray thing. I'm a Mac user, and recently made the jump from an older 2009 Mac Mini to a 27" iMac. The iMac has been a boon for me, except when it comes to DAZ Studio and IRay. I really want to utilize Iray more, but the iMac isn't up to the task. I just want to "make art." I get lost looking at all the technical talk in this thread. Now I need to scheme and figure how to buy or build a PC to handle DAZ Studio & Iray.
I use the following settings in Iray and it works well for me
Max Samples - 18000
Max Time - 36000
Rendering Quality - 3
Rending Convergence Ratio - 99%
This image of mine was done with the following settings and was the first time I used Rendering Quality 3
***NSFW - http://mattymanx.deviantart.com/art/Sheer-Elegance3-610655914 - NSFW***
This one however was done with Rendering Quality 2
http://mattymanx.deviantart.com/art/SheerElegance-599640453
I will try to continue and make items for 3Deligt, Iray, and Poser. Somtimes, however, items are made for one or the other because of the limitations with the rendering software and I do try to find a work-around.
-DzFire and crew :D
..now that looks good. So how much time did you spend tweaking skin textures? This tends to be where Iray usually breaks down.
Also was it rendered in GPU or CPU mode, and if the latter how long did it take at quality 3?
One thing I like about 3DL is that it naturally makes very crisp, sharp images, which gives me more 'room' to play with in Photoshop, using filters.
Degrading sharpness a little with some vintage filter works better, IMO, if I have a very clean image to start with.
I tweaked that skin months ago inside a primative cube using a primative plane as a light. After I got something I liked I saved it out as a preset so i didn't have to do it again. Its been pretty decent but its not perfect.
I only use GPUs. I have two Zotact AMP Extreme 980TIs running at 1400MHz. Sheer Elegance 2 took about an hour but there was NO direct sunlight. It was all comming in through several layers of curtains so it took a while and even still its kinda grainy. Sheer Elegance 3 was outdoors. On render quality 2, Sheer Elegance3 only took about 10 min. On render quality 3, it took about 15 min to reach 99% convergence but I could really see the difference between them.
Tim, if you want crisp images in Iray, use my settings above. Every image is going to be different. Outdoor shots in direct sunlight tend to render quickly for me where was indirect lighting and interior shots with mesh lights take longer. But you have to let it render long enough to look good. Its not going to give you a great looking image in 5min. Quality takes time. And its far worth the time in Iray compared to 3DL. What we have for 3DL in DS cannot do what Iray does in the same amount of time at all. Learn Iray and it will pay off.
Actually, you'd be surprised what 3DL can do. If you invest more time going over 3Dl and applying what you've learned, you may find you can really produce quality renders, Mattymanx, if you apply yourself.
I realize it can seem intimidating, at first, but don't let it get you down.
UrbanSprawl 3 has 3Delight mats as well as Iray
Does Carrara not Support 3DL materials??
Frankly he DID do quality renders for years with 3dl.. Loads of people did high quality renders with 3dl.. But good ones take time and Iray does the same things much faster.
Tim, Im sorry if my comment to you was unclear. I did not mean it as an attack of any kind. I was only trying to help.
Thank you Khory for the kind compliments on my work!
I'm guessing the best analogy is that Iray is like when everybody knew that eventually broadcast television was going to move from analog to digital. Some people held out for as long as they could, but now you'd be hard pressed to find that many people using an old analog television set anymore. Not necessarily because they wanted to switch, but that's just the way things went, there simply wasn't any point for manufacturers not to jump on the digital bandwagon and it would have been disasterous not to regardless to the amount of people who still wanted to hold on to the past.
As long as I still have the means to use my non Iray products, I'm cool, but I'm resigned to the fact that earlier render engines are simply a niche market now, and not everybody is going to want to cater to it.
I think that was humorous - it is the kind of message you usually get from people favoring Iray ... (insert Iray instead of 3dl in his message and you can see it)
This is the "Vendors: We all don't use Iray…" thread, which means most people here are favoring 3delight ... so, you get the message bounced back.
Yes, it was nice of Mattymanx to share his settings, no doubt about that.
(I don't fight wars - I am using both render engines, whichever I prefer at the moment and I am using Bryce, DazStudio, Poser and Vue depending on my mood - so no fights there)
I just don't want to do photorealistic art. 3Delight always seems to give me a brighter pop of color and is just unrealistic enough that my eyes won't rebel at the sight of something almost... but not quite phot real.
Yeah I have come to the point now that if the item does not have support for 3DL I don't bother purchasing it.. With so many products coming out being Iray only, will not be surprised to see 3DL go bye bye when it comes up for its next license renewal..
Well, my new one is out.. and supports the lot, including Poser. Hopefully I can continue to do that.. that said, I do understand the time demands on providing such support with products.
To clarify my earlier comment, sometimes great detail and photorealism isn't necessary, and the substantial speed savings of, say, a 3DL image without sss and bounce lights is very much worthwhile.
For example, I've been experimenting with artistic filters in Photoshop. And in many cases, spending 10x as long for detail I won't be using is just a waste, because it has no impact on the final result.
I do enjoy pushing the envelope with realistic images, as my DA gallery will attest to.
...ahh until I get some kind of windfall to build a system that will support a Titan-X or two, I'm stuck with CPU rendering. A work like that would take my current system hours and hours to render.at that quality level.
...interesting, I heard elswhere it was only Iray (the scenes definitely appear to use Iray emissives).
Carrara will load Daz 3DL materials and convert them as best it can, through like poser and Bryce, it has its own shader set. Not terribly difficult to work with compared to the "noodliness" of the Shader Mixer or Poser material room.
With all the items that don't have Iray shaders, I don't foresee 3Delight support being removed for quite a while, just like DAZ Studio still supports Poser format items. Also, no 3Delight shaders for an item is an excuse not to buy it, nothing more, since folks have shown the way to convert items to using 3Delight.