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Why Genesis 9 JCMs are so unrealistic ?

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,037

    Adding the Victoria 9 shape does move in that direction, and i would think it worth a bug report, but the only way I can make it look about as bad as yours is by zeroing the figure before applying the pose and shape.

  • LauritaLaurita Posts: 271

    @Richard Haseltine

    Could you try loading a base G9 and just bend the thigh to -80 or so? For my this resulted in this strange fold.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    Are you loading base figure or dev load base figure?

    dev load has joint control off.

  • LauritaLaurita Posts: 271

    Base. And I even checked that the Joint Control was at 100%

  • nakamuram002nakamuram002 Posts: 810

    kervala said:

    nakamuram002 said:

    On Nov 16, 2022, I submitted a Service Ticket regarding G9F's shin, thigh, and elbow bending deficiencies (there are probably others, but those were obvious and a good place to start).  So far, no word on my Ticket.  I will not use G9F unless it is equal or superior to G8F in basic joint bending - I do not want a model that is only good for portraits.  Maybe it is better if DAZ leaves G9F the way it is, that way I will not have to spend any $$$ on it.

    These are the bend shots that I submitted with my Ticket.  In each shot, G8 is on the left and G9 is on the right.

    Yep, I agree with you. I could understand they wouldn't create JCMs for Genesis 9 base, but for official sold characters such as Victoria 9...

    Btw I uploaded my screenshots on my server and put a link to them in my first post :)

    I think I'll have to create my own JCMs for G9 :(

     

    I hope you can solve this problem, Kervala.  And not charge an arm and leg for the solution!! 

  • nakamuram002nakamuram002 Posts: 810
    edited January 2023

    Laurita said:

    I can not find too many problems, tbf. The elbows are virtually the same on my custom G8 character , on a conversion of said character to G9 and on Victoria9.

    Also the knees aren't too far off and perfectly usable as far as I am concerned.

    The thighs however are fairly similar on G8 and the conversion while noticeably different on Victoria 9. I double checked this with Minerva 9 and got the same result.

     

     

     Laurita,

    You are using V9, rather than G9F and your bends look good.  Does V9 have some JCM fixes?

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  • PrefoXPrefoX Posts: 268
    edited January 2023

    G9 has no JCMs anymore, it has a new name for that, if thats the question. It has some CBSs, I did test the -80 tigh bend, it looks wrong indeed. and the CTRL changes nothing for me. to be fair. maybe I am doing something wrong or the CTRL is not working, or I have no clue about that topic : )

    Edit: I just find the controllers for the CBS but not the CBS itself.

    Post edited by PrefoX on
  • RawArtRawArt Posts: 6,067

    It has no bearing on anything.....but JCM's  are now called CBS on all G9 characters moving forth ;)

  • nomad-ads_8ecd56922enomad-ads_8ecd56922e Posts: 1,996

    And I suppose for the eventual Genesis 10, they'll switch from CBSs to Paramounts, or Desilus... while we go where no Daz has gone before...  laugh

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 7,123

    kervala said:

    ...But my problem is with JCMs included in G9 characters :)

    I know, but it looked from the G9/G9 from G8/G8 comparison images as if poses converted from G8 seemed to be slightly worse than the G9 directly applied pose.

    Regards,

    Richard

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,330

    Is the thigh/pelvis crease noticeable with clothes on?

  • kervalakervala Posts: 186

    xyer0 said:

    Is the thigh/pelvis crease noticeable with clothes on?

    Unfortunately yes, especially for tight clothes :(

  • RyderRyder Posts: 24

    evolving backwards.

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,330

    kervala said:

    xyer0 said:

    Is the thigh/pelvis crease noticeable with clothes on?

    Unfortunately yes, especially for tight clothes :(

    @kervala Thank you for letting me know. It's refreshing that we can candidly discuss these issues without fear of censorship. 

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