Lack of Credit in Promos
randydood_961bf59e16
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It is really beginning to bum me out to NO END with the ever increasing number of promo pics for new products with no credits. I see quite a few things i like....then i see what they used to make that pitch, and I WANTS IT...but WHAT IS IT??!!!! it frustrates me to no end. I send emails/site mail and dont get a reply....WHYYYYYY???
happens here and over at renderosity. sheesh.
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On brokered products, a lot of times there is. PA's are starting to put all the products used in the promos but its a new thing so not everyone is doing it yet.
I would put all DAZ products used in promos in the "You may also be interested in the following product(s)" which you see at bottom of the product store page.
I make dozens of promo shots, then choose from them which are the best. By the time I am done I don't even remember which products I used in the promos.
That only has 5 slots and its not what its there for.
That only has 5 slots and its not what its there for.
I don't do that many products...but by the time I'm done with the shots I want, unless it's nothing but the freebie I'm making, I too am at a loss as to what was used. I can only imagine how much harder it is for someone doing a ton of shots, for several products.
The items that are used in the your promotional images support the sale of your own product very much. I buy more items with a good background that support the style of the product as ones with a simple monotone background.
From that point of view it is just fair to name the products you've used in a little list at the end of the product description. And to make it easier for the ones who can't remember what they have used ... save your scenes and you can always check them. Apart from, that you will be saved for several emails with questions about other peoples products. :)
I try and list as many as I can remember with the exception of things I have made substantial changes too. The exception to that rule would be promos for shaders because the whole point is to show how the item can be changed. There are times though that to get a product to work in the scene I have to do some pretty dramatic stuff to it to make it work right for me. Enough that if you bought the product based on my promo yu would be disappointed when you used it.
In some cases listing the items still wouldn't help since they'd only list items available at DAZ and yours may be from elsewhere. You can post a link to the promo here in The Commons and ask if anyone recognizes it. Someone may already own it or know where you can find it. A lot of times even if I don't own or recognize something I'll still gladly be an extra set of eyes and go searching for it.
I thought there was a way, either built into Daz, or there was a 3rd party item I saw (I think it was in the Daz store too), that you ran on your scene and it would list the items used. I seem to remember seeing it and thinking how handy that would be, but I was too new with Daz to think of putting it in my Wishlist.
I sure wish I could remember where I had seen that, or is it possible I'm remembering wrong?
what character (morph and figure) and clothes are in this promo? http://www.daz3d.com/i13-touch-of-a-woman
The PA sets whats shown and of course they are going to advertise their own products
The PA sets whats shown and of course they are going to advertise their own products
There is also a limit on how many of those fit on the page. Some promos can use 5 or 6 products and then there can be as many as 10 promo images. I'm not even sure if people would be able to figure out which was what out of a list of 50 products.
I got frustrated to the point that I didnt even try anymore, wonder if vendors consider that if they all did it they would increase sales from others referalls?.....
Sometimes, like with some of the old Elite textures, the faces we see are dial spun or custom created some other way. Take V4 Elite Lana for example, no amount of tweaking the Elite morphs could replicate her face. It would be nice if they did at least give some inkling as to whether the character we see is a store product or something they themselves did in ZBrush. Some artists are at least being a bit more specific when it comes to what shader MATs are for and what UV they've used.
Clarity costs nothing, confusion and frustration can cost everything
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Trust me, we do save our scenes but you have to keep in mind the time it takes to go back and list everything. And time is something all PAs dont have much of. We tend to move from one project to another and forgetting to list products used is not a big deal to most. Its not that we want to be rude but it just happens. If you check the galleries here you will see that not everyone lists the products they used in there art either. Its not a requirement there either.
And in the last 5 years as a PA, I have only been asked about stuff in my promos twice. Once by a customer and once by DAZ so I dont think its a big of a deal as its made out to be. That being said, I try to add it in when I remember.
Also, not every PA uses stuff exclusive to the DAZ3D store so they are going to be listed.
And there's the whole 'special' characters bit too...ones that are used by the PA just for promos, that the PA doesn't want to sell...sort of their 'signature' girl or something.
And there's the whole 'special' characters bit too...ones that are used by the PA just for promos, that the PA doesn't want to sell...sort of their 'signature' girl or something.
that would be nice to know too....so i can stop searching. see a custom character and wrack my brains trying every site that sells poser/daz related items.
I'm not sure about the character, but the shirt looks like it's this one: http://www.daz3d.com/sexy-librarian-for-genesis-2-female-s
There is also the gray area of when it does/doesn't make sense to provide credits. Recently I've been trying to add credits for stuff I put in my gallery (although sometimes I cannot identify the original product for certain and have to omit it). However I quickly realized that while some things are obvious, when you start making modifications it makes less and less sense. What if I'm only using one pose included with a product that is a vehicle, then adjust the pose on top of that? Do I still credit the vehicle product? What if I retexture, subdivide so the shape is changed, then deform the product and hide pieces of it too? People who haven't seen it might think that's what it looks like. Does credit make sense in these cases, or help or hurt? I really don't know.
It is also true that keeping track of source products to add credits takes time. This could potentially hurt the creative process as it is an extra burden, and would be quite time consuming if you wanted to quick try out, say, 2 dozen poses to see which is best (if they were scattered among a hundred so you would actually have to record the names of each one as you try it, rather than just take 30 seconds to click on them all without credits. Plus when you add things and remove them, especially when they aren't obvious because they are just pieces of some product that aren't immediately recognizeable by name, you have the chance to incorrectly credit the wrong person or forget to remove one every time.
If you have 50 things in your scene, but tried a hundred in the process of making it, this could all add up. Not saying you should/shouldn't do it; just pointing out potential reasons people might have for just not bothering to do it.
I bought something the other day because it had a few bits I think I can use for promos. Thing is the whole entire set is saved as a single prop. In order to use it I am going to have to take it to hex and delete things till I can save the individual pieces I want to use. Then I will put my own shader products on many of the surfaces or other wise alter them to get the look I really want. I'm absolutely not going to add that product (when I finally have the time to do all the fixes I have to do to use it) to the "used in" list because there are going to be very few users who are going to have the time and the skill and the inclination to work on it to use it the way I will need to. If someone contacts me to ask what product that lamp is from and I can explain all the work that goes into making the lamp usable fine. But I'm not going to send someone unawares after it.
we've been here 11 yrs and have never been asked once