Iconic Character Triangles
RCDeschene
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Something that is quickly becoming a more of a inconstant pattern here with all these new characters is the fact that, instead of getting male counterparts for all these females we're instead getting "sibling" knock-offs. Is it possible that DAZ is pushing the roster in a direction that creates triangles, rather than couples for this ever-growing generation? Here's a speculated list that I think helps keep track of why Gen 6 is the way it is:
Victoria/Michael/Stephanie: Even though Stephanie has David, since Gen 2, these three have always seemed to be a close trio since the very beginning. There are even many poses packs that support friendship gestures between Victoria and Stephanie as well as romantic ones for Michael and Stephanie.
Aiko/Hiro/Keiko: During Gen 5, MallenLane introduced a brand-new Anime Girl named Hitomi, who catered to a more classic anime style that Aiko seems to farther abandon with each incarnation past Gen 3. Later, DAZ bought-out the aesthetic male counterpart for Hitomi and marketed it as Hiro 5, making them a couple, and leaving Aiko 5 out in the cold to become a game-pop girl (and ended-up dating Freak 5 in the process). Even though to this day there is no Hiro 6 in sight, Keiko 6 seems to have taken the mantle as an official DAZ-branded successor of Hitomi. This can also suggest that because of this, a Hiro 6 could very well end-up looking like a middle-ground between the two manga maidens.
Girl/Cory/Callie: In Gen 4, The Girl given an unofficial male counterpart provided from the PA pdxjims (who is also the creator of She Freak) for the M4 base figure. This “Guy 4”, while perfectly complimentary, as only mildly received by the Poser Community no more than only a hand-full of support. Now in Gen 6, we have Callie and Cory coming together, courtesy of 3DUniverse, yet, Cory is perceived to have similarities between both toons, finally closing the girl gap.
Gia/Gianni/Olympia: DAZ surprised us with the first all-new release of Gia, an athletically built warrior princess, inspired by actress and martial artist, Gina Carano. Sometime after her came the curvy, statuesque goddess Olympia and eventually Gianni, the warrior prince. Even though Gia and Gianni share matching names and bodily-empowered themes (those even reminiscent to Freak and She Freak), Olympia’s wholesome shape sparked comparison with Gianni’s god-like stockiness.
Other female characters that go well to enough to share a male counter include the legendary ladies: Lilith & Ninive, as well as the fantasy fairies: Giselle & Ysabeau. Even the ethnic couples: the Asian Mei Len & Lee and African Monique & Darius, are possibly in for a pair of Native American friends (as traditional of DAZ’s iconic Ethnic Faces series) in the future. Some could even argue that the more youthful side of the list: the Teens, Young Teens and Kids, create their own little tyke tier, if you want to stretch it that far.
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Isn't Daz in SLC?
I watched Big Love...
:P
I personally suspect that any new G2M bases will only arrive together with a corresponding female at around the same time, with the possible exception of some beasty like Minotaur or the Lizard. If this is true, it seems unlikely that Hiro will appear at all, since his obvious pair (Aiko) has already been released.
Wow... that was an very impressive and in-depth history lesson for us newbies! I like your analysis. Makes total sense to me. Following your logic, it would seem that they are in need of a Native American male now as there's already a pair of girls in that classification (I can't remember their names right now).
Edit: Just went back through my product list. These are the two I was referring to:
FWSA Wachiwi
FWSA Aiyana
Oops... my bad. But they still need a male counterpart. ;)
Hmmm... Two women for every man.
One for each ear!
Given that there are several sets of 2 ladies and no men, rather than saying each man gets 2 women, I'd say its because the ladies are abandoning the men for each other ;)
Ooookkkkkkkk......
I think I'm just going to go wander over into my concrete-hardened bunker over here and watch the fallout from the turn this conversation is taking. :zip:
Let me know when the radiation levels have dropped to a safe level. :coolsmile:
I believe the first She-Freak was created by Dodger, not pdxjims, who did the later versions.
-- Walt Sterdan
I believe the first She-Freak was created by Dodger, not pdxjims, who did the later versions.
-- Walt Sterdan
Really? I heard otherwise. I even tried to find ReadMe's on it in the Wiki Center, only to find the V3 version from pdxjims.
She Freak 2 for V3 and She Freak V4 were both made by pdxjims, just look up his vendor page.
Generation 4 was the start of the one base figure with ancillary figures being morphs, making it comparable to generation 5 (Genesis) and generation 6 (Genesis 2 Female and Genesis 2 Male).
I feel we really didn't need a separate Stephanie and David from gen 4 on as their shapes could easily be created from the respective morph bundles, in fact that was DAZ's official reason for not making a David 4. Finally hoping to get matched pairs from DAZ is likely a pipe dreams because of its heavy reliance on PAs, they will make what they want and feel will sell well.
Can't speak to where you heard or read what, and to be honest my memory for minor things from a dozen years ago could very well be faulty (it certainly wouldn't be the first time).
If it helps to clarify, here's the header from the original She-Freak .obj file:
# Notice of derivation/division of content IP:
# The values expressed as vertex co-ordinates, as defined on lines that begin
# with 'v', are the intellectual property of XFX Publishing, LLC
# All other mesh definition directives are the intellectual property
# of DAZ Productions, Inc.
"XFX Publishing, LLC." was (is still?) Dodger's company.
-- Walt Sterdan
His vendor page, as you pointed out, also says,
"Special thanks to the following for their contributions in the creation of this product: Dodger, Vampir3Princess and Lesthat"
-- Walt Sterdan
Oh well, She Freak isn't even all that official anyways as DAZ says they only see her as a character morph than an actual base (which is also why they never gave her a Gen 5 iteration or even a respective slot in the compatibility matrix, despite being listed among the Gen 4 females bases).
That has more to do with them not building up enough product support. And yes, the original figure that they bought form me for $1,200 was, indeed, a standalone figure based on the V3 Unimesh, just like David, Stephanie Petite, Ingenue Vicky, my Aeon figures, and, unnecessarily regrouped, M3, Freak, and my Puck, Daniel, and Mickey figures.
She-Freak 1 was just as much/little a character morph as was David, in other words.
I only recently relized Keiko was a wannabe Hitomi because I saw a morph for Keik that actually looked cute. Keiko had some nice outfits, so I bought them but she never looked right to me. Can we get a cute Hitomi base shape from Daz please? But yeah, Keiko and Aiko get along well IMO. Hiro is optional ;)
Wow, I forgot about this thread, to be honest.
I guess it's kind of pointless now seeing as how DAZ isn't even going to support half the figure line anymore...
the figure line is very fluid now. But yeah I hear ya. Even characters that get good launch support don't get anything after that(cept vickie).
Yeah, and that's been the case since we started getting new Icons every month because. By the time a PA would make a character or item optimized for a specific base that's not Victoria or Michael, it wouldn't make much sense; DAZ, Pro content-commissioned PA's and the customer base haved long since moved-on from that character base...
Well with G3F it is either this or slumming with the G2 males and their inferior joints.
though the G2M bend just fine for moi
I'm so grateful that the ladies are so lenient on us slacker men. I can't fix my joints, I was born wit em. I'll leave all comments related to how that impacts movement and if it matters in my head.
Nope, I believe you're correct... and the original Aiko and Maiko were morphs of Stephanie.
-- Walt Sterdan
That's correct.
Accidental double-post, sorry.