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  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 2,033

    Drip said:

    PerttiA said:

    Eyecandy aside, what have they improved if anything?

    And more importantly, what did they screw up this time?
    I really hated it when they introduced the metro UI a few years back, but there's gladly some options and programs to tune that way down nowadays. Sadly, the metro UI also broke several third party UI plugins I used before. So I want to see some critical end-user reviews (so not the ones from gadgeteer early access shills) before even considering to ever "upgrade".

    I hate that wretched metro-bland pastel-colored drabness, it's too institutional for me, unfortunately, windows have been following the mac's UI design, which means there will be absolutely no UI customization beyond the extremely narrow parameters set by the useless designers, so it's third-party solutions I'm afraid...

    Hell, they even truncated the extreme usefulness of the taskbar by getting rid of the pinning program options, and instead force us to use clunky timewasting folder picking in the start menu, so instead of just selecting an icon to start a program, I have to scroll through hundreds of program/game folders... unfortunately this iteration is NOT geared towards the home user, but the corporate cubical drone!

    Yeah, I'll end up upgrading but I don't see many advantages of this crappy neutered win 10 iterations... *sigh; maybe windows 12 will be much better if the release patterns are anything to go by!

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,618

    nonesuch00 said:

    magog_a4eb71ab said:

    Drip said:

    PerttiA said:

    Eyecandy aside, what have they improved if anything?

    And more importantly, what did they screw up this time?
    I really hated it when they introduced the metro UI a few years back, but there's gladly some options and programs to tune that way down nowadays. Sadly, the metro UI also broke several third party UI plugins I used before. So I want to see some critical end-user reviews (so not the ones from gadgeteer early access shills) before even considering to ever "upgrade".

    What did they screw up? This for starters:

    "AMD processors officially compatible with Windows 11, exhibit a three-times increase in L3 cache latency with the new operating system.

    Quoted from:

     AMD Processors Lose 15% Gaming Performance with Windows 11, L3 Cache Latency Tripled 

    Not sure how much of an impact this actually has, but it might affect more than just gamers depending on the task(s) being performed.

    I have a AMD Ryzen 7 5700 APU (Zen 3) and I've noticed a performance improvement. Now I don't doubt that the bug reports are accurate but there is a limit impact to people who don't game. Only gamers are involved in the sort of repetitive cache use over & over such that's you'd actually notice those bugs to any degree at all when you suddenly wasn't as quick reflexed in your games as before. And the other is for CPUr with greater then 8 threads so likely some repetitive AI algorithms used by researchers have taken a hit in performance. The average home user won't hit those type use cases most of the time. 

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-bug-could-reduce-ryzen-cpu-performance-by-up-to-15-amd-says/ ;

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,635

    Mine is on the CPU. Just having one laying around just thought some could use it.

  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 2,265

    So is Windows 11 more secure than the mainstream Linux, Android, and Mac operating systems? If not, then how do they manage to be secure without this TPM thing while Windows 11 can't?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,048

    ...the more I read about  W11 here and on various tech journal sites, the less I want to bother with it.

    Maybe four years from now Wine will have finally matured to the point that we will be able to fully run the latest version of Daz through it on Linux with no instabilities.

    There's always hope

  • nomad-ads_8ecd56922enomad-ads_8ecd56922e Posts: 2,003

    There's also ReactOS, which is trying to be an opensource, mostly-drop-in replacement for Windows... trouble is, it's still effectively in alpha, certain parts of Windows functionality haven't been emplimented yet, and it's essentially stuck in a Windows2000-era design.

    On the other hand, there's also something called ArcaOS, which is a direct descendant of OS/2, which was basically an old Windozw NT offshoot with some nice additions and enhancements.  I get the impression ArcaOS is more complete than ReactOS wrt supporting Windows programs.... but its still rooted in the turn of the 21st Century.

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,635
    edited October 2021

    NylonGirl said:

    So is Windows 11 more secure than the mainstream Linux, Android, and Mac operating systems? If not, then how do they manage to be secure without this TPM thing while Windows 11 can't?

    If all these OSs are secure why do they offer antivirus software? All software has exploits, backdoors, and other holes that haven't been close. Just look around 

    Links removed as some were to actual hacking tools/encouraging unauthorised hacking

     

    The most secure part of the computer system is its operator since most systems are infiltrated from the inside. By use of Phishing, Credential Theft and Reuse, and Business E-mail Compromise.

    All tired true methods of gaining access to a system.

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,434
    edited October 2021

    AgitatedRiot said:

    NylonGirl said:

    So is Windows 11 more secure than the mainstream Linux, Android, and Mac operating systems? If not, then how do they manage to be secure without this TPM thing while Windows 11 can't?

    If all these OSs are secure why do they offer antivirus software? All software has exploits, backdoors, and other holes that haven't been close. Just look around 

    Links removed

    The most secure part of the computer system is its operator since most systems are infiltrated from the inside. By use of Phishing, Credential Theft and Reuse, and Business E-mail Compromise.

    All tired true methods of gaining access to a system.

    usually the nut in front of the keyboard needs a screw 

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,635
    edited October 2021

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    AgitatedRiot said:

    NylonGirl said:

    So is Windows 11 more secure than the mainstream Linux, Android, and Mac operating systems? If not, then how do they manage to be secure without this TPM thing while Windows 11 can't?

    If all these OSs are secure why do they offer antivirus software? All software has exploits, backdoors, and other holes that haven't been close. Just look around 

    Links removed

    The most secure part of the computer system is its operator since most systems are infiltrated from the inside. By use of Phishing, Credential Theft and Reuse, and Business E-mail Compromise.

    All tired true methods of gaining access to a system.

    usually the nut in front of the keyboard needs a screw 

    I tell them that it's an error between the keyboard and chair back.

      

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • HaruchaiHaruchai Posts: 2,040
    edited October 2021

    AgitatedRiot said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    AgitatedRiot said:

    NylonGirl said:

    So is Windows 11 more secure than the mainstream Linux, Android, and Mac operating systems? If not, then how do they manage to be secure without this TPM thing while Windows 11 can't?

    If all these OSs are secure why do they offer antivirus software? All software has exploits, backdoors, and other holes that haven't been close. Just look around 

    Links removed

    The most secure part of the computer system is its operator since most systems are infiltrated from the inside. By use of Phishing, Credential Theft and Reuse, and Business E-mail Compromise.

    All tired true methods of gaining access to a system.

    usually the nut in front of the keyboard needs a screw 

    I tell them that it's an error between the keyboard and chair back.

      

    PICNIC - problem in chair not in computer 

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,635
    edited October 2021

    Haruchai said:

    AgitatedRiot said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    AgitatedRiot said:

    NylonGirl said:

    So is Windows 11 more secure than the mainstream Linux, Android, and Mac operating systems? If not, then how do they manage to be secure without this TPM thing while Windows 11 can't?

    If all these OSs are secure why do they offer antivirus software? All software has exploits, backdoors, and other holes that haven't been close. Just look around 

    Links removed

    The most secure part of the computer system is its operator since most systems are infiltrated from the inside. By use of Phishing, Credential Theft and Reuse, and Business E-mail Compromise.

    All tired true methods of gaining access to a system.

    usually the nut in front of the keyboard needs a screw 

    I tell them that it's an error between the keyboard and chair back.

      

    PICNIC - problem in chair not in computer 

    That's a good one. 

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • Philippi_ChildPhilippi_Child Posts: 665

    All I need is a TPM module. I saw MSI TPM modules for sale at Amazon for $59.99 USD. There are many on eBay but I don't trust eBay like I used to.

     I didn't link the website address for the module from Amazon because I wasn't sure if I could.

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,635
    edited October 2021

    For free if you live in the USA

    Make sure it's the right one it's a SPI-TMP

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  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,618

    AgitatedRiot said:

    For free if you live in the USA

    Make sure it's the right one it's a SPI-TMP

    That's for sure as there's no standard for the TPM configuration 

    Don't assume that they are the same on all motherboards from a given manufacturer or even on the same model motherboard

    Not only can the pin configuration be different but also the actual number of pins

    I have three systems running Win10 and they each have a different TPM socket on them and two of those motherboards are from the same manufacturer, fortunately, I don't need a separate module as AMD processors have had TPM built into them for years

  • N-RArtsN-RArts Posts: 1,606

    mwokee said:

    I was content with DOS 3.1

    +1

    It's a pity Daz isn't compatible with it. I would never have upgraded to the computer that I have now.

     

    I don't intend on updating my computer to Windows 11. I'm not some type of masochist. I've had enough problems with Windows 10.

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,635

    Robert Freise said:

    AgitatedRiot said:

    For free if you live in the USA

    Make sure it's the right one it's a SPI-TMP

    That's for sure as there's no standard for the TPM configuration 

    Don't assume that they are the same on all motherboards from a given manufacturer or even on the same model motherboard

    Not only can the pin configuration be different but also the actual number of pins

    I have three systems running Win10 and they each have a different TPM socket on them and two of those motherboards are from the same manufacturer, fortunately, I don't need a separate module as AMD processors have had TPM built into them for years

    That's why I said make sure it's the right one. There are several versions for sure.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,183

    AgitatedRiot said:

    LeatherGryphon said:

    And to my surprise I discovered that my most powerful motherboard (ASUS Z490) used in papa-bear doesn't have a TPM header at all.indecision  Nor is there any mention of TPM in the motherboard manual at all.indecision

     

    I have a Gigabyte Z490 if you have the right CPU you should be able to enable it in the BIOS under PTT

    How to Check the TPM Status & Enable the CPU's fTPM/PTT • Helge Klein

    Nope, nothing in my BIOS for PTT or TPM.  Not that it really bothers me yet.  I'm just disappointed that a big motherboard like an Asus Prime-Z480-A doesn't seem to support TPM. indecision I have the latest BIOS but maybe there will be a newer one soon now that the need is known. 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,006

    Z480 isn't one of the chipsets that might be supported in this list https://www.asus.com/microsite/motherboard/ASUS-motherboards-Win11-ready/

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,635
    edited October 2021

    LeatherGryphon said:

    AgitatedRiot said:

    LeatherGryphon said:

    And to my surprise I discovered that my most powerful motherboard (ASUS Z490) used in papa-bear doesn't have a TPM header at all.indecision  Nor is there any mention of TPM in the motherboard manual at all.indecision

     

    I have a Gigabyte Z490 if you have the right CPU you should be able to enable it in the BIOS under PTT

    How to Check the TPM Status & Enable the CPU's fTPM/PTT • Helge Klein

    Nope, nothing in my BIOS for PTT or TPM.  Not that it really bothers me yet.  I'm just disappointed that a big motherboard like an Asus Prime-Z480-A doesn't seem to support TPM. indecision I have the latest BIOS but maybe there will be a newer one soon now that the need is known. 

    What exact Motherboard model do you have? What Processor is installed?

     

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,048
    edited October 2021

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    AgitatedRiot said:

    NylonGirl said:

    So is Windows 11 more secure than the mainstream Linux, Android, and Mac operating systems? If not, then how do they manage to be secure without this TPM thing while Windows 11 can't?

    If all these OSs are secure why do they offer antivirus software? All software has exploits, backdoors, and other holes that haven't been close. Just look around 

    Links removed

    The most secure part of the computer system is its operator since most systems are infiltrated from the inside. By use of Phishing, Credential Theft and Reuse, and Business E-mail Compromise.

    All tired true methods of gaining access to a system.

    usually the nut in front of the keyboard needs a screw 

    ...sounds similar to what my old Driver's Ed teacher in High school many moons ago would say:

    "The safest part of the car is the nut that holds the steering wheel." 

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    edited October 2021

    I read somewhere that more recent OEM-built systems will have all the secuity features enabled (such as TPM enabled in the Bios) but that those (such as my own) which have been assembled from parts probably won't. I ran the PC-Healthcheck and mine failed. My system was almost entirely rebuilt less than a year ago but I bought the parts and installed them myself. I've found a YouTube video showing how to find and enable TPM in the Bios (either with or without the little hardware module) but I am in no hurry to move to W11 just yet. Especially sice I have a Ryzen 5 5600x which apparently suffers performance issues with W11.

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  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,618

    If your bios has more than one option for TPM be sure to select the firmware option 

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,635

    My wife's Dell Laptop is compatible with Win 11 we bought it back in 2019. Didn't even have to go in the bios. I don't think I'll upgrade hers it took years to teach her how to avoid scams and just how to use basic functions. I drug her into the computer age. Kicking and screaming. I once saw her running down the street pulling her hair, screaming I can't take anymore after getting off the coumputer..

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,618

    AgitatedRiot said:

    My wife's Dell Laptop is compatible with Win 11 we bought it back in 2019. Didn't even have to go in the bios. I don't think I'll upgrade hers it took years to teach her how to avoid scams and just how to use basic functions. I drug her into the computer age. Kicking and screaming. I once saw her running down the street pulling her hair, screaming I can't take anymore after getting off the coumputer..

    I did some of that back in the days of the 8086s, generally when it refused to release the 5.25 floppy so that I could insert the next one 

  • hacsarthacsart Posts: 2,034
    edited October 2021

    ID-ten-T error....   (ID10T) or..

    The "Operator Trouble" light is lit.

     

    PICNIC - problem in chair not in computer 

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  • ChezjuanChezjuan Posts: 541

    NylonGirl said:

    So is Windows 11 more secure than the mainstream Linux, Android, and Mac operating systems? If not, then how do they manage to be secure without this TPM thing while Windows 11 can't?

    It's really not that uncommon, though every system does not use the specific TPM chip. Macs use Apple's version of the TPM chip, Apple's T8012 to perform the functions that the TPM chip will provide for Windows. TPM support can be enabled in Linux either by the distro provider or, more typically, by the user. ARM processors have "trust zone" technology that provides similar functions (Samsung uses this) and Google Pixels have a google chip. 

  • SixDsSixDs Posts: 2,384

    I'm sorry, but whatever happened to "The last operating system that you will ever need"? Are we all supposed to have forgotten that by now? Or has someone already pointed this out earlier in the thread?

    Marketing baloney.

    Windows 11? Don't need it, don't want it, won't use it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,048

    ...still on W7 Pro here. Haven't liked what they've done since W8 with that hideous UI. 

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,635

    kyoto kid said:

    ...still on W7 Pro here. Haven't liked what they've done since W8 with that hideous UI. 

    Support for that OS has ended. Video card makers are ending support for 7, 8, and 8.1.  

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    I usually update quickly.

    ... Not this time, I'll update when I have to due component upgrade.

    It's mostly eye-candy.

    One feature many might like is Android apps; not available 'till 22

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