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It should be a DO item not PC+ item and you guys will get fewer complaints.
Secondly, if you compare it with https://www.daz3d.com/structures something like this would be around 30-40+$ with just one texture set. (You need + license to use it in 3d game, and it's a solo seat vs the other store's price)
IMO PC+ only items idea is interesting but most people with PC+ looks for cheap bargains not only PC+ item. Something like this should be left for the season pass. (But if you do that you will get even more complaints from the PC+ people)
You should/could test it if there is a need for something like this, but the good old PC+ sales are much more appreciated IMAO.
Yeah, plants are the new bus stops
I'd say the main clientele of DAZ are hobbyists dabbling with art, not artists - which always has some professional ring to me - so the available money is very diverse. Coming back to my Lamborghini example: some peoples' hobby is collecting sports cars and they can afford to buy every new model of a certain company as soon it hits the shelves, others who just use a car to get from A to B and have less money available wouldn't even dream about ever possessing one luxury car... some DAZ users - professional or hobbyist - have enough available funds to buy every product that DAZ puts out, independent of price (or price/usefulness ratio) and others have a tight budget each month.
I won't blame DAZ trying different ways to sell their products (or rather the products made by their PAs), but on the other hand I don't feel a lot compassion with them when their attempts don't work out. DAZ is a business, so their main goal is to make money. Might have been many years ago, when it was driven by people with a more artistic approach, but as the changes over the last couple years - the timespan in which was able to notice them - show, now it's more the financial targets that matter.
The PC+ page says "Save an EXTRA 30% OFF* ALL Daz Original Items - including new releases", which doesn't seem to apply to this PC+ exclusive.
Staying objective and leaving "how things ring" to a person out of the equation ...
There are photographers who are hobbyists and those who are professional, just as there are artists who do it for a hobby and those who do art for money ... they are all, nevertheless, artists. Moreover, art is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think you want to disabuse people of that notion, do you? I am not... far from it. I consider us all artists. I am inclusive about this.
The fact is that not everybody writes poetry (a poet), takes pictures (a photographer), does ceramics (a potter), does music (a muscian) ... and also makes money at it (which is what pros do, but not all professional-level skilled artists want to or are making money at it). Saying one is a "soccer or basketball player" doesn't mean one is professional making money off of it, or even particularly skilled or talented.
Regardlss of definition, "artists aren't the richest people on earth" seems indisputable and, IMO, a good sales strategy will keep that uppermost in mind.
I just realized that I've been thinking about these "exclusive items" all wrong.
Every so often, DAZ proposes something that you can only buy if you're a PC+ (soon to be DAZ+) or Season Pass member or whatever, and my reaction is always "Why would I care if it's 'exclusive' or not? What does it matter to me how many other people have a copy of this model?"
But it finally dawned on me that this isn't the point. They're not trying to make the object more attractive to people who already have a PC+ or Season Pass membership; they're trying to encourage people who don't have a membership to get one. The idea is that someone will look at it and go "Oh boy, I want that crime-scene restaurant so bad, I guess I better get a PC+ membership."
So it's not really a 'perk' for members, as it's presented. It's simply a way of trying to sell subscriptions.
That said, this particular one seems like an odd choice. It's a nicely-made model, to be sure, but it's highly specific and not exactly inexpensive. Someone is going to have to want that restaurant very badly in order to spend $30 plus a minimum $24 for a quarterly membership just to get their hot little hands on it. If I were on the fence about getting a PC+ membership, the regular PC+ items -- a large and varied range of sometimes high-quality models at below-market prices -- would be a much more compelling draw.
Still, what do I know? DAZ has apparently built a substantial business out of playing psychological games with people's must-buy-the-shiny instincts, so maybe 'exclusive' items are just another stroke of their sinister marketing genius.
I thinks it's great and the quality is amazing. The only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger would be a 'clean' version as mentioned by a few people. If I'm going to spend $30, I don't want to have to retexture (if possible) parts of the scene not to mention I don't have the matching 'clean' shaders, so things would look off.
LOL. There are many incentives to be PC+ but spending $29.95 on a single product is not one of them. You can almost pick up an entire bundle for that price so where's the incentive? Sale after sale after sale after sale after sale Daz comes up with poorly conceived schemes so why should this be any different? I'm sure Daz considers these to be a "success" because they earn X dollars but what they never understand is they could have made three times X. The complaints pile up after each sale and they never get it, all they see is X dollars and fail to realize it could have been three times X. Tell you what Daz, run the numbers on how many people sign up for PC+ and then buy the crime scene product. That will tell you what you really need to know.
I don't have much to add here other than, I also wished this restaurant had a clean version.
I also hope it ends up being one of those PC+ items that get an additional 60% off later down the road whenever you purchase whatever new PC+ item of the week.
good of you don't already own every item in the free bundle. i put it in my cart so i wouldn;t have to look at it any longer.
I guess it's a different experiment on what works and what doesn't for marketing products, but I'd have to agree that this is a fail in every aspect. I just can't wrap my head around how this appeals to existing PC+ members, or how it sells subscriptions. Since this is a set price, there's no discount really. It seems yet another example of Daz trying to use FOMO to sell.
What happens when it's no longer "New"? Does it stay at this $29.95? Go to full price at $39.95? It doesn't seem to be a standard 30% New discount. Does it become accessible to non-PC members after losing New? Or after PC+ annual sale is over where with coupons, DO discount and regular sales a PC+ member would get it much cheaper?
I think this is amazing personally. Pair this up with the Future Slums set from Kitbash and you've got a great exterior/interior scene! And I get it, thirty bucks is steep but then I think about how much time it would take me to sit down and design and model everything needed to match it, it would take so much more time than thirty bucks worth. It is a neat idea to have something exclusive for PC+ members.
Now as for a non-clean version, you could probably just turn off the police tape and such like that, and then just retexture the booth and such with blood to make it clean. I might be in the minority, but I typically retexture things anyways with stuff from Quixel or Daz shaders when I'm doing something for an animation or something that isn't a quick render for fun.
I think it's pretty cool, but I agree with everyone who wonders how it would clean up.
It looks like the blood splatter on the floor are Decals (if you look at the props component list).
I can't tell what the blood splatter on the big dinner booth is, but it might be integral to the prop... which may not be an issue depending on where the camera is and how many figures are in the scene (i.e. if it's covered up in the camera's eye, it ain't there).
Pricing? It's really neither here nor there with me. I don't think I complain much about price... it's just an objective fact. Opinion on price is more subjective, and it's not one that bothers me. It's either in my price range or it isn't, and that's about it.
well next 50% off sale at the Epic Marketplace it might be one of the many things I will look at again
I usually buy a big bunch of much much cheaper things though
whats this "Future Slums" product?
I don't think I can link it since it's on another site, but google Kitbash 3D Future Slums. Kitbash just finished a sale so these are all full price which is far out of reach for most folks, but usually around Thanksgiving they have another big one where it's either 40-50% off or buy two get one free or something like that. With Kitbash though, I've found the only way to really make it work is to bring it into Blender first and then export the buildings you want as OBJs, and then you just have to retexture it all with either theirs or your own. I downloaded their OBJ of the sets and brought it into Daz, but it was actually more work than setting it up in Blender because you can move around the viewport so much quicker in Blender. The sets they have are amazing and when you see it, you'll notice how perfectly it fits with this crime scene set.
The price is now taking the PC discount.
the price is now very reasonable. Thanks. It will go into the cart for sure at this price point. yea.
thanks. wow ..nice stuff there. Yes, above my pay grade for sure, but worth saving up for.
well I bought it and a blink item with the coupy
just one, too easy to get carried away otherwise
$16.47 ... very reasonable, but I can't add it to the cart, even with a membershipin the cart.
I like it. Looks well done, very detailed, good price. I have no use for a chinese language set tho (or whatever that language is). ;)
Laurie
Yep. Into the cart, then the library. Done and dusted.
It's a really neat restaurant scene... good for modern-futuristic Chinatown. You might be able to strip out the language and then add back features of other urban ethnic dive-restaurants, like Mexican flags or beer signs for a Mexican joint, for instance. It looks like a Chinatown kind of set, which fits dystopian/cyber-punk settings.
It's a surprisingly compact scene in terms of MB as well. It's showing 163 MB? The textures must not be crazy huge files.
You might need to sign up first, I'm not 100% of the workflow regarding this... admittedly it is a new feature, so it might not be that clever just yet.
Agree, $16.47 is an acceptable price.
You might want to change the promo's, they still say $29.95.
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It is after an expensive vet bill. Although, the less said about that, the better.
Yea, I appreciate that,.. just hope they're on the mend!
...I do a lot of cyber based scenes and like the concept however like a few others would be nice to have a "clean" version as it would be a great set for various scenes though this would be good for the aftermath of a Shadowrun or meet with the "Johnson" (nameless person who hires runners for a job) that went sideways .