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The GPU temperature isn't the issue, at full load, the GPU temps stayed below 60C, but the VRAM temps shoot up toward 100C and over. This doesn't happen to all RTX3090. I know it happens to the Founder Edition and some reference cards. It is more of a bad cooling design on certain brands, not all RTX3090. You can use GPU-Z and monitor the VRAM temps.
Well there I go :) I will check my VRAM temps too. With my main GPU temps, pretty sure am good, but will check. Thanks for info.
SSDs are not the standard for storage as they're too expensive for the same say, 16TB as you can get with a mechanical drive, (Ask anyone in video production, of course, they use SSDs for scratch disks, but they store their videos on HDD) sure the mainstream uses SSDs, but the mainstream is not storing a lot of stuff on their PCs nor are they power users, you'll have to buy a $3.3k 16TB SSD vs a $570 16TB mechanical drive, it's just not practical if you need a lot of storage, and yes, I do!
I'd go with that (5950x with a 3090), I'll just add a 850 watt supply is sufficient, and 64 GB of RAM is also probably fine for most Daz Studio work.
I have a scene with 10 Genesis 3 & 8 characters, and TWO Daz scenes, Photoshop, browser, and some other apps open and I'm at 54 GB. According to Precision X1 & Task Manager I'm using almost all the VRAM. One scene is ROG's Red Crow Inn at max texture quality. Most of the figures I used Scene Optimizer to lower the texture size. At this level, I don't see doing too much more because Studio is getting a bit sluggish. With more aggressive memory optimization I'm sure I could squeeze more in, but as mentioned Studio is a bit sluggish I'd hate to work like this all the time.
On the PSU, my card is a EVGA Hybrid 3090 FTW3 card, one of the highest drawing 3090's out there. My UPS indicates while rendering I'm drawing 590-600 watts. My 850 watt PSU has been going strong and does appear to have some headroom (IIRC often recommended is 20%).
Maybe with version 5 we'll see Studio handle more complex scenes more efficiently/better. We can hope.
...so went over to Aventum (as they actually build workstations) and this is what I pieced together (I'm sure I could probably do better spending a good amount of time Googling everything on my own, but need to start dinner).
System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Aventum Studio Workstation
Exterior Finish: Black Metallic Matte Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X (32-Core) (Boost Up to 4.5 GHz)
Motherboard: ASUS Prime TRX40-Pro S (AMD TRX40 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices) (ECC Support)
System Memory: 256GB DDR4 3200MHz
Power Supply: 1200W EVGA (Modular) (80 Plus Gold)
Expansion Bay: Firmware TPM Activation - Windows 11 Upgrade Ready - (BIOS)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (500GB Samsung Pro) [boot]
Storage Set 2: 1x SSD (4TB Samsung 860 PRO SATA) [content library]
Storage Set 3: 1x Storage (10TB Seagate IronWolf)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA RTX A6000 48GB (Outputs: 4 x DisplayPort 1.4a) (Professional) [the heart of the beast]
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: HydroLux PRO: Exotic Custom Cooling System (CPU Only)
HydroLux Tubing Style: Flexible Tubing (Requires HydroLux Liquid Cooling System)
HydroLux Fluid Color: Blue Flexible Tubing + Clear Fluid (Requires HydroLux Liquid Cooling System)
Cable Management: Exotic Cable Management - Blue - (Cable Combs with Custom Color Sleeved Extension Cables)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Software Control: Digital Storm Thermal Management Control Board & Software
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Total Cost: $14,656.00
This doesn't include additions like a UPS (the only one they had was pretty anemic for this system), Keyboard, trackball, displays, and AV.
SSD servers are becoming common in some sectors. Video production is actually one of those sectors. HDD arrays are simply not fast enough to cope with multiple video editors simultaneously hitting a server with huge read/write loads when the footage they are editing is raw 8k footage.
In a way you could consider these SSD servers as a giant communal scratch disk. I have seen videos of 200tb to 1 petabyte SSD servers being built for this purpose. Once the projects are completed, the raw footage and completed footage are moved across to more traditional HDD servers. The production efficiency gained by the solid state server can outweigh the cost for some studios.
Yes, but does it play solitaire?
I think there's a app for that.
...well since it has W10, I imagine it does.
the real question is can it play Crysys at 8K?
nope. At least not crysis remastered.
The pro grade GPUs such as in this build do not perform in games any better than the top end gaming cards do, and a 3090 can only do crysis remastered at ~35 fps on 4k on the highest settings. So, maybe 5 fps at 8k
Ah, five frames a second. My eyeballs used to get like that after a couple pots of coffee and two packs of cigarettes.
For me, the real question is would you actually trust whoever Digital Storm's(or any other builder's) shipper is to handle a fully assembled system that costs near $15,000? I know I sure as hell wouldn't. Way too many potential headaches; especially when you have to send it back through more rough handling for troubleshooting/repairs. Most people receive their systems with no problems, but I wouldn't want to be one of the unlucky customers after dropping that much cash on a desktop.
...probably a safer bet than that iMac Pro which was little more than a notebook built into a display with a 16 GB Vega GPU and only two hamster wheel fans for cooling which cost around 13,000$
They at least build actual dedicated workstations, the others primarily build gaming systems. I looked at AVA Direct but to get the memory needed to support an RTX A6000 meant aving to get a only available in a rack mount chassis and they only offer Intel i series (no Xeon) CPUs and no CPU liquid cooling. The one I worked up came to 11,308$, but would also require a standalone server rack (800mm depth capable of mounting both the chassis and UPS which is also rack mount).
That said as I mentioned I could probably build a similar system for less, but it meant spending a good part of the day "window shopping" for the components and to get an RTX A6000 just by itself is not easy as the sellers require having to contact them to get a "quote".
Here's one
...unfortunately I'm in the States and this appears to be in Finland. The shipping costs would likely be ridiculous.
Well, the Radeon GPU's are doing much more per Watt as NVidia. Same with my current setup. iMac Pro running Windows 10 via Bootcamp, using an RTX 3090 eGPU. dForce simulation with the in-built Vega 56 is MUCH faster than the 3090 one. Doesn't help much on macOS, though. And I have to run DS on Win10 to use iRay via the eGPU. Though, thermal management is much better than on an average non-Apple rig. I never had the fans speeding up without CPU rendering. Almost no application is using all the 10 cores of a Xeon CPU.
I wonder how much that would be in USD. If its anywhere near $5,000 USD, they're asking way too much for a PNY branded A6000 since that's bottom-of-the-barrel in that series.
...for dForce that is interesting as the 3090 supports OpenCL 3.0 while the Vega 56 only supports OpenCL 2.0. One would think that the 3090 would handle the simulation better..
...5,999€ is 7,045 USD at the current exchange rate. Indeed that is far more than the 4,649 USD MSRP and even those offered by resellers which on the average are going for about 5,500 USD.
However I believe that price also includes a 24% VAT (if my translation of "Sisältää alv" ("Includes VAT") is correct which if subtracted would bring the cost of the card itself to around 5,354 USD.
The prices on this side of the pond are VAT included (24%), ie. they dont lie about how much you actually have to pay
I've seen this thread get a lot of attention, I'm more of a Sysadmin / Programmer and working on expanding my creative side (Freelancer).
I've been working on this workstation build design for a while, I don't consider it a perfect build, especially since new stuff comes out in 3-6mo's.
However if you don't know how to build a Computer, certaintly don't start here, get a professional workstation built for you.
Since most live in the US on this forum, I'll give everyone how much it cost in dollars at 25k-30k.
I recently priced such a shipment it is only about $130 USD. The card itself costs over $7000 USD.
Agree.
Especially with:
... So damn true, except maybe less than 6 months!
I bought a first gen Threadripper.
I'll upgrade when the next one is released.
32 cores is going to be expensive though - coupled with 128GB ram: especially so.
...4 A6000s? Only two can be "NVLinked" together for rendering purposes.
..here in the States VATs are not assessed so only the base 5,354 USD price plus 130 USD shipping should apply.
Found a couple this morning, one at CDW for 4,934 USD (+61 USD shipping) and another at Newegg for 5,055 USD that includes free shipping. That illustrates the smaller mark-up on pro grade cards (likely just due to the chip shortage) vs. consumer ones which continue to be snapped up by speculators and scalpers).
The lowest price I could find on a 12 GB RTX 3060 was 719 USD on eBay which is a 108% mark-up. compared to the A6000 at CDW which is only a about 6% increase over MSRP and the one at Newegg that is about an 8% mark-up..
If that was aimed at my build. They are in pairs. one pair in WDDM mode, the other pair in TCC Mode. I'm aware Nvlink is fiddly, generally a lot better on workstation cards though.
...ah yes W10 WDDM, I forgot (my work system is still W7). So I take it the pair in TCC mode would be doing the heavy lifting for rendering. But why a second set?
Also, with two 48 GB cards liked together pooling memory for rendering, I'd consider increasing the system RAM to 512 GB
Definitely a "beast" of an M with. 7 PCIe 4.0 X16 slots, 8 channel memory support up to 2 TB and active cooling for the heatsink..
So the case can also support two PSUs., interesting for a full tower, though I've seen such provisions in rack mount chassis..
Yeah trying to keep my beast plans under 20K though that motherboard is sweet. for the price, I expected it to cost more.
WDDM mode is just the default, TCC, is a compute mode. Normally if in WDDM mode, even if you don't have a monitor attached it loads things as if it does need to, this takes up resources, even on a beefy GPU it's an issue you have deal with.
So it does have a performance benefit having those GPU's not attached to the monitor in TCC mode, as a common trick is to use dummy plugs, for those cards that can't go into TCC mode, as every GPU in a Nvlink pair should be attached to a monitor, unless it's in TCC mode, as this disable video output. Dummy plugs don't stop the resource issues btw, if it's still in WDDM mode.
The ones in the TCC mode, will be doing slight more work, but I'd not count heavy lifting, about 10% difference, but it's enough to be noticable in tests. With GPUDirect, there is less of a need to go upto 512Gb, but I will of course reassess this nearer the time of actually going through with the purchase. GPUDirect this means with later versions of Win10 (I think) and 11, files are sent directly from NVME to GPU, rather than via System ram, in between while also being processed by CPU.
With how I'd use it, I'd be sending it highest possible textures, highested Geometry, little to no optimisation, so the only processing would be done by the GPU, not the CPU from my understanding, unless Daz3d does not fully implement it.
Why? I've moved into being a Visual Novel writer, programmer and designer, planning an Otome VN, so yeah I'm shooting myself in the foot you could say, I need a lot of male focused stuff, for a female audience, for a huge story I'm writing with my wife, but I'm managing so far... with well my laptop as it screams at me, each time it tries to render something. I'm really interested in a lot of the hair, particle, water physics, soft body rendering etc, as someone who did AI after University and done a bit of everything since, I want to really push to see what these a6000 could do and make it look gorgeous.
Yeah it's alot more realistic if I just put two a6000 in there, and I have designs for an in between system aswell, as I have few good spare parts around here, but just not enough to quite put a system together.
Or for the price of 2 x A6000 cards... You buy 4 x A5000 cards and $2000 of RAM
@ DP WES, ...generally rule of thimb for Iray GPU rendering is to have at least 3x the total VRAM in system RAM for rendering purposes which would be around 270 to 280 GB given that memory pooling will not give you a full 96 GB) and 4x if you plan to create fairly ambitious scenes and don't want to bother much with a tonne of optimising.