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  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 2,033
    edited July 2021

    outrider42 said:

    I've been seeing these reports of "Good news! GPU prices are coming down!" and have yet to see much evidence of this in person. Only certain areas of the world are seeing any drops.

    I wouldn't get my hopes up at all. They may drop a little, but this drop might be very brief. China shut down all it crypto mining operations, true, but these operations are not simply going to call it quits, it is extremely naïve to think that. There is too much money to be made. Instead, they are relocating to different countries. They are looking for places that are more favorable for mining. That means low electricity costs and a political landscape that is kind towards crypto. This transition will take a few months, but once these operations are back up I believe very strongly that prices will surge yet again.

    I truly do believe this simply will not end unless drastic changes happen in GPU mining. We can hope that Intel joining the GPU market may help, but I just don't see it altering things enough. It will be the exact same situation, the miners will buy up all the stock and grow their operations while scalpers horde the rest. Nvidia could produce 20 million GPUs, it wouldn't matter. Keep in mind that Nvidia has already shipped more GPUs than they did with Turing, and the pace is not far off Pascal. When people talk about a shortage, it isn't really a stock shortage, it is more about the insane demand. But crypto is the single biggest driver of that demand. So how much stock there is simply doesn't matter. If nothing changes I do see this harming PC gaming down the road. It is pretty hard to sell video games if nobody has the hardware to play them. The market prices have totally shut out the low and mid range markets, these kinds of gamers are what drives most sales. I have to say I am getting pretty tired of coming up short trying to buy a 3090. I have received numerous alerts but have been unable to score. It is getting out of hand. So while I cannot stand the thought of satisfying some scalper, I can understand why somebody might. Besides...the 3090 does mine well so you could make the difference back.

    That is another overlooked aspect of the prices. I see comments like this all the time, with people saying they paid a scalper price but used mining to make the difference they paid back. This is also part of the problem! Not only are they rewarding scalpers, but they are contributing to the crypto prices. I cannot blame the idea, many of the people in this category are just trying to make lemonade out of lemons. But it is what it is.

    They even found a mining operation that was using Playstations! So not even consoles are immune to this crypto cancer.

    Two things that will ease up on this bullsiht crypto/scalper dynamic, one: would be if NVidia themselves and their partners limit the number of units sold to 2, using physical home addresses for purchasers, and two: legislation punitive actions against general scalping making it illegal, as it is illegal to scalp tickets to entertainment events, why not goods and services?

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    takezo_3001 said:

    Two things that will ease up on this bullsiht crypto/scalper dynamic, one: would be if NVidia themselves and their partners limit the number of units sold to 2, using physical home addresses for purchasers, and two: legislation against general scalping, as it is illegal to scalp tickets to entertainment events, why not goods and services?

    What would happen to commodity market then? laugh 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,056

    This is getting political, please stop.

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 2,033
    edited July 2021

    PerttiA said:

    takezo_3001 said:

    Two things that will ease up on this bullsiht crypto/scalper dynamic, one: would be if NVidia themselves and their partners limit the number of units sold to 2, using physical home addresses for purchasers, and two: legislation against general scalping, as it is illegal to scalp tickets to entertainment events, why not goods and services?

    What would happen to commodity market then? laugh 

    It survived pretty well before crypto and scalping, I'd wager it would survive again without them... wink

    Richard Haseltine said:

    This is getting political, please stop.

    Sorry, about that, but I'll edit my post...

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,053
    edited July 2021

    outrider42 said:

    scott762_948aec318a said:

    kyoto kid said:

    outrider42 said:

    I've been seeing these reports of "Good news! GPU prices are coming down!" and have yet to see much evidence of this in person. Only certain areas of the world are seeing any drops.

    I wouldn't get my hopes up at all. They may drop a little, but this drop might be very brief. China shut down all it crypto mining operations, true, but these operations are not simply going to call it quits, it is extremely naïve to think that. There is too much money to be made. Instead, they are relocating to different countries. They are looking for places that are more favorable for mining. That means low electricity costs and a political landscape that is kind towards crypto. This transition will take a few months, but once these operations are back up I believe very strongly that prices will surge yet again.

    I truly do believe this simply will not end unless drastic changes happen in GPU mining. We can hope that Intel joining the GPU market may help, but I just don't see it altering things enough. It will be the exact same situation, the miners will buy up all the stock and grow their operations while scalpers horde the rest. Nvidia could produce 20 million GPUs, it wouldn't matter. Keep in mind that Nvidia has already shipped more GPUs than they did with Turing, and the pace is not far off Pascal. When people talk about a shortage, it isn't really a stock shortage, it is more about the insane demand. But crypto is the single biggest driver of that demand. So how much stock there is simply doesn't matter. If nothing changes I do see this harming PC gaming down the road. It is pretty hard to sell video games if nobody has the hardware to play them. The market prices have totally shut out the low and mid range markets, these kinds of gamers are what drives most sales. I have to say I am getting pretty tired of coming up short trying to buy a 3090. I have received numerous alerts but have been unable to score. It is getting out of hand. So while I cannot stand the thought of satisfying some scalper, I can understand why somebody might. Besides...the 3090 does mine well so you could make the difference back.

    That is another overlooked aspect of the prices. I see comments like this all the time, with people saying they paid a scalper price but used mining to make the difference they paid back. This is also part of the problem! Not only are they rewarding scalpers, but they are contributing to the crypto prices. I cannot blame the idea, many of the people in this category are just trying to make lemonade out of lemons. But it is what it is.

    They even found a mining operation that was using Playstations! So not even consoles are immune to this crypto cancer.

    ...indeed, this Crypto Rush II needs to be shut down, permanently.  Crypto currencies were developed for those who don't want transactions traced. which primarily is the criminal element. as all cyber ransom demands are based in Biitcoin or some other form of "digital; currency".  We as 3D artists and gamers should not be paying to support this corruption. 

    /soapbox.

    Actually, that's not the reason at all.

    https://medium.com/bitcoin-blockchain-explained/why-was-bitcoin-created-20ab3a65d952 

    Many things start from lofty ideals. But they often get twisted with time to become something completely different. People can paint all the sunshine and rainbows around crypto all they want, but the fact remains it is extremely resource heavy and THE #1 currency of criminals. When they hack hospitals and literally hold lives hostage, the hackers only request bitcoin as payment. And now that big businesses are getting involved with massive mining operations, any thoughts of crypto equalizing the playing field is just naive. The people who already have money stand the most to gain from crypto, because they can afford to build larger mining rigs than anybody else. Crypto is just a numbers game.

    An influx of currency often leads to inflation. In the old days, this was fairly simple, as governments minting more coin could lead to more money on the streets which led to inflation. But today minting new coin can be done digitally by anybody with a computer. With dozens of new crypto currencies popping up all the time this means there are lot of new digital tokens in the wild which would not exist otherwise. This in turn leads to excessive inflation, and we are directly experiencing rapid inflation right now. There are of course many factors behnd inflation, but make no mistake crypto is contributing to the current conditions. People who make money mining have this "free" money to spend, which allows them to outbid others for products, thus driving up prices for everybody. When you mine crypto, that is what is what it feels like, you are making money for nothing. All you need is a decent GPU and electricity. You don't need to do anything once the rig is running. You can go do whatever you want to while your mining operation makes money or you. With this comes a different attitude towards the value of money. I am sure many of you have heard the expression "Money doesn't grow on trees." Well mining crypto you can get pretty close to that!

    ...exactly. 

    The real sad part is there are mining viruses going around which can turn your system into a background mining rig for someone on the other side or the world.   This is why it is so important to keep your AV and firewall up to date as well as your malware scanning/removal software. 

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  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited July 2021

    Whelp, the card has left Orlando, FL and is on its way to CT...it's supposed to be delivered by 9PM tomorrow (Wednesday) and requires a signature at delivery. It's coming via UPS and I will say that I've had the best luck with UPS so i'm glad of that. Fingers crossed!

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  • GatorGator Posts: 1,320

    Awesome!  Good luck!  It's a great card.

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 2,033

    melissastjames said:

    Whelp, the card has left Orlando, FL and is on its way to CT...it's supposed to be delivered by 9PM tomorrow (Wednesday) and requires a signature at delivery. It's coming via UPS and I will say that I've had the best luck with UPS so i'm glad of that. Fingers crossed!

    Congrats, enjoy that juicy 24 Gb VRAM goodness!  You'll be able to render, encode videos and even play a game all at the same time, I see that you have a beefy PSU, as anything less than 1KW (750-850W) will shut down your PC if you do any heavy multi-tasking! (Should have gotten a 1.2k Watt PSU myself, but I got a platinum tier for a little under $300)

     
  • winmathwinmath Posts: 142

    I managed to get a 3090 by standing on line at a Best Buy for a few hours this morning. The line wrapped around 3/4 of the store by the time the staff started handing out tickets (one per/customer) at 7:30 am. But they seemed to have a few hundred RTX cards. The tickets for 3060s and 3080 went quick. Followed by 3070s. They still had a few 3090s left when the store opened (early for RTX cards only) at 8:00 am.  I think most of the buyers in line were able to get a card.

    Lots of happy campers that did not want to pay scalper prices.

    Now time to repurpose the i7-6700K CPU 4.00GHz/GTX 970 and build the new computer!

  • magog_a4eb71abmagog_a4eb71ab Posts: 769

    takezo_3001 said:

    melissastjames said:

    Whelp, the card has left Orlando, FL and is on its way to CT...it's supposed to be delivered by 9PM tomorrow (Wednesday) and requires a signature at delivery. It's coming via UPS and I will say that I've had the best luck with UPS so i'm glad of that. Fingers crossed!

    Congrats, enjoy that juicy 24 Gb VRAM goodness!  You'll be able to render, encode videos and even play a game all at the same time, I see that you have a beefy PSU, as anything less than 1KW (750-850W) will shut down your PC if you do any heavy multi-tasking! (Should have gotten a 1.2k Watt PSU myself, but I got a platinum tier for a little under $300)

     

    Definitely! I went with a EVGA T2 1600-watt PSU for my system build just to be on the safe side. I think they need to start looking into ways to improve efficiency of graphics cards. They keep on getting bigger in size & more power hungry. If they make them any bigger/power hungry, they'll have to start reinforcing motherboards & PCIe slots to compensate... and we might have to start using range plugs for our desktops. laugh

  • Dim ReaperDim Reaper Posts: 687

    Congratulations on getting your new card - you will love the difference it makes to DS.

    Regarding the power needs, I recently bought a meter that plugs into the plug socket as I was concerned about running multiple cards.  I'm running a 5960X with a 3090 and a 2080Ti.  Under rendering load, the system is pulling between 760W and 840W.  I'm using a 1200W PSU.  Always good to have some overhead, but the 3090s are not as monstrously power-hungry as I feared they might be.

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 2,033

    magog_a4eb71ab said:

    Definitely! I went with a EVGA T2 1600-watt PSU for my system build just to be on the safe side. I think they need to start looking into ways to improve efficiency of graphics cards. They keep on getting bigger in size & more power hungry. If they make them any bigger/power hungry, they'll have to start reinforcing motherboards & PCIe slots to compensate... and we might have to start using range plugs for our desktops. 

    Yeah, my main reasons why I need a large PSU are dealing with equal parts GPU/CPU concerns and the fact that I have a siht-ton of HDDs both internal and external!

    Dim Reaper said:

    Congratulations on getting your new card - you will love the difference it makes to DS.

    Regarding the power needs, I recently bought a meter that plugs into the plug socket as I was concerned about running multiple cards.  I'm running a 5960X with a 3090 and a 2080Ti.  Under rendering load, the system is pulling between 760W and 840W.  I'm using a 1200W PSU.  Always good to have some overhead, but the 3090s are not as monstrously power-hungry as I feared they might be.

     Tell that to the 650W crowd, as they have a pathological obsession with holding onto their measly PSUs while scrimping as much juice as they can out of those things, seriously I've seen them lose their minds over anyone suggesting anything above 650W for their 3080/3090s!

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    It's here! Box was undamaged from shipping. All packaging was sealed and unopened. The card is one of the newer black-lipped ones, so I was happy about that. Now I can start ordering everything else!

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  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    winmath said:

    I managed to get a 3090 by standing on line at a Best Buy for a few hours this morning. The line wrapped around 3/4 of the store by the time the staff started handing out tickets (one per/customer) at 7:30 am. But they seemed to have a few hundred RTX cards. The tickets for 3060s and 3080 went quick. Followed by 3070s. They still had a few 3090s left when the store opened (early for RTX cards only) at 8:00 am.  I think most of the buyers in line were able to get a card.

    Where are you located, though? All the Best Buy stores around here don't have much in the way of computer gear beyond tablets. 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795

    winmath said:

    I managed to get a 3090 by standing on line at a Best Buy for a few hours this morning. The line wrapped around 3/4 of the store by the time the staff started handing out tickets (one per/customer) at 7:30 am. But they seemed to have a few hundred RTX cards. The tickets for 3060s and 3080 went quick. Followed by 3070s. They still had a few 3090s left when the store opened (early for RTX cards only) at 8:00 am.  I think most of the buyers in line were able to get a card.

    Lots of happy campers that did not want to pay scalper prices.

    Now time to repurpose the i7-6700K CPU 4.00GHz/GTX 970 and build the new computer!

    Wow! I'd have to drive over a hundred miles but if Best Buy or Microcenter either one told me they'd be getting stock & I could believe I'd be there at 6 or 7 AM too.

  • nomad-ads_8ecd56922enomad-ads_8ecd56922e Posts: 2,003

    Might want to pay attention to this video, btw.  Seems there's a fault with (some of?) the 3090 cards that might result in them going POP inside and stop working, and so suggests some settings changes to make as a precaution.  Particularly if you're going to play... certain games.  :D  (About 7 minutes)

     

     

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    nomad-ads_8ecd56922e said:

    Might want to pay attention to this video, btw.  Seems there's a fault with (some of?) the 3090 cards that might result in them going POP inside and stop working, and so suggests some settings changes to make as a precaution.  Particularly if you're going to play... certain games.  :D  (About 7 minutes)

     

     

    Seems simple enough...but I'd imagine you wouldn't want your GPU running rampant frame-wise anyways. I'm really hoping that the issues reported with the FTW3 Ultra have been ironed out. I was seeing a lot of stuff, but really nothing new since March 2021...which hopefully means that things have improved via software and/or firmware updates. 

    Also no worries on me ever wanting to play that colonization simulator. Ick.  

  • nomad-ads_8ecd56922enomad-ads_8ecd56922e Posts: 2,003

    Yeah, closest thing I came to "gaming" these days is.... hanging out on Second Life, and to me that's more like a great big chat-room with scenery,  :D

     

    That said, I don't expect to get a 3090, since I'd need about double the system ram to what the 3090 has as vram, and my current motherboard won't take more than the 32gigs it already has on it. I'm hoping one of the upcoming desktop-card versions of either the 3070 Super or 3080 Super will have 16 gigs of vram, but I'd settle for a 14 gig vram version if that's what they gave instead.  (The laptop version of one of those (I forget which) is 16 gigs of vram, but there's nothing that obligates them to put the same ram amount in the desktop model of that card.)

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited July 2021

    nomad-ads_8ecd56922e said:

    Yeah, closest thing I came to "gaming" these days is.... hanging out on Second Life, and to me that's more like a great big chat-room with scenery,  :D

     

    That said, I don't expect to get a 3090, since I'd need about double the system ram to what the 3090 has as vram, and my current motherboard won't take more than the 32gigs it already has on it. I'm hoping one of the upcoming desktop-card versions of either the 3070 Super or 3080 Super will have 16 gigs of vram, but I'd settle for a 14 gig vram version if that's what they gave instead.  (The laptop version of one of those (I forget which) is 16 gigs of vram, but there's nothing that obligates them to put the same ram amount in the desktop model of that card.)

    I'm a gamer, just not that game, lol. For MMO's I play The Lord of the Rings Online, Elder Scrolls Online, and Guild Wars 2...trying to juggle between the three. I'm also into single-player RPG's like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Skyrim, etc. 

    I know there is always bad apples, but I have to wonder how many people are having issues caused by a combination of inadequate hardware. Everything is connected. The PSU. The motherboard. So I have to wonder if that could also be part of the issue. I mean, these cards draw power like never before. Thankfully I'm starting over with a completely fresh build, so I'm going to buy a more hardcore PSU and motherboard. I also noticed quite a few people mentioning that serial #2014 has a high incidence of failure...mine is #2114, so fingers crossed.  

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  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611

    Good to watch - 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,053
    edited July 2021

    ..well the one benefit in my case, I don't bother with games. 

    It would be interesting though to learn if it might occur with rendering as the process does put a heavy load on the card for an extended amount of time.

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Availabilty and prices of the 3090 are definitely going in the right direction... Ready for immediate delivery 40 cards (8 different models) with prices starting from 2420 euros (vat included), new cards from a reputable online store...

  • Joe2018Joe2018 Posts: 294

    Currently in Germany more and more stores (online and local) have 3090 available under 2000 Euros (incl. VAT). Also prices for the other cards are dropping. It is possible to get a 3060 12GB between 500 and 600 Euros (incl. VAT).

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    As they have managed to twist my arm to keep me out of the workplace for the next two weeks, maybe I should put on a hazmat suit, jump into my trusty orange 2005 Opel Astra STW and head for the "Land of limitless speed" cheeky

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,053

    ...Wir fahren, fahren, fahren auf der Autobahn...

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    Especially in August wink

  • winmathwinmath Posts: 142

    melissastjames said:

    winmath said:

    I managed to get a 3090 by standing on line at a Best Buy for a few hours this morning. The line wrapped around 3/4 of the store by the time the staff started handing out tickets (one per/customer) at 7:30 am. But they seemed to have a few hundred RTX cards. The tickets for 3060s and 3080 went quick. Followed by 3070s. They still had a few 3090s left when the store opened (early for RTX cards only) at 8:00 am.  I think most of the buyers in line were able to get a card.

    Where are you located, though? All the Best Buy stores around here don't have much in the way of computer gear beyond tablets. 

    The cards were available in a very limited number of stores. I got mine at a store in Waldorf Maryland. 

  • winmathwinmath Posts: 142

    nonesuch00 said:

    winmath said:

    I managed to get a 3090 by standing on line at a Best Buy for a few hours this morning. The line wrapped around 3/4 of the store by the time the staff started handing out tickets (one per/customer) at 7:30 am. But they seemed to have a few hundred RTX cards. The tickets for 3060s and 3080 went quick. Followed by 3070s. They still had a few 3090s left when the store opened (early for RTX cards only) at 8:00 am.  I think most of the buyers in line were able to get a card.

    Lots of happy campers that did not want to pay scalper prices.

    Now time to repurpose the i7-6700K CPU 4.00GHz/GTX 970 and build the new computer!

    Wow! I'd have to drive over a hundred miles but if Best Buy or Microcenter either one told me they'd be getting stock & I could believe I'd be there at 6 or 7 AM too.

    I hope Best Buy will offer cards in different stores next time. This would give more opportunities for non-scalpers to get the cards.

  • vedetevedete Posts: 14

    Purchase a complete new PC with a RTX 3090 to replace my GTX 980 ti.  Did my first renders this morning and today...  It is just SO FAST!  I find it a bit loud when rendering but I guess it's the price to pay for speed and quality ;-)

    • CPU: Intel Core i9 10850K 3.60GHz (5.20GHz Turbo), 10-Core 20-Thread
    • GPU: NVIDIA EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 24GB
    • Motherboard: ASUS Rog Strix Z590-E Ganing Series WIFI 6 AX 200
    • RAM: 32GB RGB DDR4 3200MHz (2x16GB) (will upgrade with 2 more16GB)
    • SSD: 1TB Intel 660P M.2 NVMe SSD + Samsung 2TB 2.5
    • CPU Cooler: RGB AIO 240MM Liquid Cooling
    • PSU: 850W 80 Plus Gold PSU
    • Case: Rosewill SPECTRA D100 ATX Mid Tower With Tempered Glass Case
    • WiFi: Yes
    • Bluetooth: Yes
    • VR Ready: Yes
    • Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (free upgrade to Windows 11 upon release)
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,053
    • RAM: 32GB RGB DDR4 3200MHz (2x16GB) (will upgrade with 2 more16GB)

    ...indeed at least doubling your system memory would be advisable particularly when you start getting more ambitious and create larger and/or more involved scenes. Being able to cover triple the VRAM would be better but that means 128 GB on that particular MB. 

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