Is it me? Sorry but dForce classic jeans - no.
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Don't get me wrong. The 3D creative artists can do things I can only dream of. However when I look at, for example, https://www.daz3d.com/md-dforce-classic-jeans-outfit-for-genesis-8-and-81-male I don't see it as what it describes. It doesn't look like real denim, real jeans. It looks fake. Sure that might be rather harsh but then there's the price. Plus the extra for textures. That's too much. Maybe I'm in the minority and if so then ok but I need to see some more stitch work, material texture and especially, if dForce, nore weight to the material. (Maybe it's the promo shots that just don't promote the quality?)
There are some excellent material models out there and I don't mind paying top dollar for it but I feel that some kind of recent quality control (for the price) is lacking.
If I am massively out voted on this then Ok I will admit that should readdress my own issues.
As I said, I appreciate the effort that the PAs put into products but sometimes, well ... this is just an opinion from an individual that maybe shouldn't share their opinion?
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For being dForce they all look weirdly flat, funnily so. The thighs and hips look like the poor fellow was still in them when they got ironed last.
I really dont see the point of dforce denim. Denim is a stiff fabric and would be better suited as a conforming clothing.
Texturing requires skill and good material reference. This looked more like a prison garment which is what I thought it was when it showed up in my feed. It has a uniform blue jumpsuit feel.
Nope, it is not just you.
These were made years ago-https://www.daz3d.com/streetwear-jeans-for-genesis.
If Stonemason just re-released them for gen 8, maybe throw in a couple texture options, I bet they would sell like hotcakes.
I agree with the majority. Denim doesn't need to be dforced. I don't use the males much, but like many here I am always looking for quality realistic looking clothing for them and this missed the mark.
Funny, I am working on a project and the first goal is a realistic indian war calvary outfit and of course, there is none, so i am looking in every nook and cranny in every 3D store to see what I can use to kitbash, model or retexture myself and the choices are pretty slim. At first glance I thought these pants and boots might work, but nope
I would love to see him make some new clothes, too, but those jeans, shirt and boots do work nicely on G8M.
For me it's looks second, morphs (especially open fly and buttons for shirts/jackets) first... and dForce is in many cases just an excuse for not adding morphs.
Looks great though, but it' just another jeans set...
...isn't there a Genesis to G8M conversion script? Even at full price Streetwear is a better value.
I still sometimes use the 3DWizard's old Jeanz for V4 as they fit fine to G3F and look better.
+1
The moment I saw the ad my only thought was, "DAZ's quality control is slipping."
Aha! Well that answers part of the question. Thanks.
Denim can still clip through seats so dForce with timeline prevents it. I set denim to 400 GSM, 45-60 Buckling ratio, and 15% buckling stiffness
There is this product: https://www.daz3d.com/rssy-clothing-converter-from-genesis-to-genesis-8-male which will do the job
However for tight fitting clothing like jeans then the Genesis clone provided free with G8M will likely do a pretty good job.
Sorry I don't need it. I don't find much need for dforce on men's pants unless they are super loose. I'd much rather have the detail with conforming clothing.
Yikes! One look at those dForce Classic Jeans textures and it was "game over, man...game over" for me
Why can't we - the DAZ CUSTOMERS - have a star-rating system or a review section on a product's page? It would certainly lift the 'quality' game!
As a person who mainly renders males, I agree with Serene. The detail is needed to match the quality of a good figure model, such as, say, Torment. So many d-force men's items create a jarring clash with the model- if you are going for a more realistic look.
"I'm so tough, I iron my shirts... while I'm wearing them." -- George Smilovici
I do think it's a bit of a leap to go from - "there are 1 or 2 dforce jeans I don't like" immediately to "therefore all dforce jeans are bad and worse than conforming jeans"
There are plenty of bad conforming jeans out there with no morphs, mushy details, textures I don't like etc. does that mean conforming clothing doesn't work for jeans?
I really like the dforce jeans of Mada and IH Kang make... I also like the conforming jeans they have made. So, for me at least, there seems to be an obvious delineating feature and it isn't dforce vs conforming
I think all the "why do I like this older stonemason jean?" comments in here speaks to my point.
"why do I like this older stonemason jean?" maybe its because they're conforming, or maybe its the same reason older stonemason scenery sets still look really good
I have a lot of older jeans that look better than these, some conformers, some dforce. The jeans to the G3M Hoodie outfit are nice and the fly even opens on the correct side ;). They stretch a bit at the crotch tho on G8M.
to each his own. Sure there are bad mens conforming jeans, but there are tons of horrible dforce pants and seldom are even the halfway decent ones very realistic..
I will take a well made conforming pants to thin dforce pant any day of the week.
These really look good:
https://www.daz3d.com/streetwear-jeans-for-genesis
...one thing I found about G8 dForce clothign is it converts better to G3 than conforming clothes for G8.