Upgrading to Iray
Rowanessque
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Hiya, if I am in the wrong place please redirect my question.
So I am in the market to buy a new computer, I am hoping that it will be able to accept Iray I have a couple of questions, is it okay if I bullet point them.
1. AMD or Intel processor?
2. The minimum Geforce GTX graphics card for an Iray render and the maximum.
3. How does Octane work with Geforce
I am thinking of going to PCSpecialist and letting them build it for me? what do you think about people who build computers, am I better off going to a retailer and fitting my own graphics card.
My budget is min 500 to top 1000 pounds, not dollars as I live in the UK. I love Daz Studio but my old computer just doesn't have the power to do all the things it needs to do and everything in Daz is going Iray. Have you noticed that all the things we pay now are Iray exclusive and 3 Delight is getting left to the back seat.
Well I hope I am in the right forum, sorry if I need to move this.
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You should be looking for an RTX card.
Hiya, if I am in the wrong place please redirect my question.
You're in the right place!
So I am in the market to buy a new computer, I am hoping that it will be able to accept Iray I have a couple of questions, is it okay if I bullet point them.
1. AMD or Intel processor? This is up to you and your preference. The difference between the two is pricing with AMD being the most cost effective. I personally have only ever used Intel CPUs and have never had an issue.
2. The minimum Geforce GTX graphics card for an Iray render and the maximum. The best RTX card would be any variation of the RTX 3090 but super expensive for a hobbyist. The minimum that I would suggest for acceptable performance would be an RTX 2080 Super. Regardless of the GPU you pick they are extremely difficult to buy due to a world wide chip shortage thanks to the pandemic.
3. How does Octane work with Geforce. I couldn't tell you because I've never used Octane but I know from others that it is a faster engine than Nvidia's Iray and provides amazing results. With that being said, a GTX 1080ti and above will be sufficient. Again, I'd ask someone else as my info is based on others and not my own experience.
4. I am thinking of going to PCSpecialist and letting them build it for me? what do you think about people who build computers, am I better off going to a retailer and fitting my own graphics card. It will always be more cost effective to build your own PC but components are scarce atm. Also, it is worth noting that it is not difficult to build your own PC as there are so many videos online that can help you through the process. I've been building my PCs for over 5 years and they have all been incredible.
5. My budget is min 500 to top 1000 pounds, not dollars as I live in the UK. I love Daz Studio but my old computer just doesn't have the power to do all the things it needs to do and everything in Daz is going Iray. Have you noticed that all the things we pay now are Iray exclusive and 3 Delight is getting left to the back seat. Your budget is pretty slim but can make due if you build it yourself. But you'll have to wait anyways due to the shortage. Even prebuilts are hard to come by now AND they are overpriced due to the shortage as well.
Well I hope I am in the right forum, sorry if I need to move this.
It would help, if you had told what kind of computer your old one is (which motherboard, processor, how much RAM, GPU)
Imho, the best (most economical) way to upgrade your system, is to do it one or two components at a time, especially when having a low budget.
My next upgrade will be the motherboard and the processor and I expect to pay around 1300eur for them
DAZ3D will work on any PC any build, just depends how you intend to use the editor, if your looking to do iray renders sometimes it's about knowning which buttons to push or slide, my old 8GB core 2 with a 8gb card renders most things well, it comes down to use of light, if your looking to create large Iray scenes you'll probably require a good CPU with enough onboard ram also investing in a decent GPU 8GB Vram and up is good. you'll want something that supports things like Ray Tracing for better performance.
I find Nvidia have better graphics cards that last longer & are better suited to a range of PhysX drivers, i have had zero issues with my Nvidia MSI 2080ti 12GBVram and my intel i9 10th gen Xcore with 256GB onboard ram plenty for whatever needs doing, tho my most recent setup will cost you around $8500 AUD give or take a few dollars depending on where you source the parts, should never have an issue in life with my current setup i could launch a mission to Mars with this equipment!
Wow thank you everyone that is really helpful, I will read and reread and digest what all of you are telling me. I am 53 and a full time carer so buying something too expensive isn't really an option because of limits on time. I just want a good upgrade. The idea of building it myself scares me ha ha, what if I damage something with an electrical discharge, I know that sounds daft but I will look at the videos on line. I have an old case upstairs in the "art room" so may be I should look at building my own.
How on earth do I put a 64 bit processor into 32 bit machine, scratches head and waits for answers, I will of course look on line and see whats what, thank so much. Forgive me for not quoting all of you seperately as you have all been extremely helpful. I might even upload Octane on this old girl and see what happens. So someone asked me what this computer is, its Win 7, 32 bit, I will have to look up the other information about mother board and processor and post it later. thanks a million everyone. xxx
Depending on the actual hardware that's inside your old machine, you might be able to get away with upgrading the RAM, GPU, and installing Windows 10.
Just because your Windows 7 install is 32 bit, does not say anything about your actual CPU. 64 bit consumer CPUs have been on the market since 2003, THe graet thing is that these CPUs can also run 32bit code at full speed.
If your CPU is a Core i7, Core i5, AMD A8, A10 series, or AMD FX CPU, you should be in pretty good shape to just have some upgrades done to make the computer like new again. (High end computers from 8 years ago are still pretty good candidates for upgrading)
Check the specs on your Motherboard. Maximum supported RAM is important (How many slots and maximum GB) If your board supports at least 32GB you will be fine for the next 5 years.
Idealy you want to get a Nvidia RTX card with at least 8GB of video RAM.
I recently got myself an RTX 3090 FE (Had to buy a prebuilt) and it works great for rendering out scenes. Originally I was using dual 1080ti cards until one quit. Then the second one started crashing but could render very slowly with my old 1070ti confirming it was the card. However, this would not do so I had to bite the bullet and buy a prebuilt just for the card. That said it has been running my backlog and doing a faster better job than I am used to. Biggest problem is heat. The vram is reaching 104 when rendering so the blower gets noisy. EKWB is coming out with a dual sided waterblock assembly in September that will run $300-$600 depending on your card so keep that in mind.
The only issue I had was at first was a weird one. The system kept saying it couldn't allocate the memory until I disabled cpu rendering.
It needs to be pointed out that whatever you decide on, you have to make sure your parts fit together when building a computer. You can't go out and buy any old graphics card thinking it will fit your sockets on the motherboard, if you don't know what kind of sockets you have., My son in law suggests starting with the motherboard and get everything to fit from that point. If you're not sure of this information, my son got a graphics card and it turned out to be so big, he needed a whole new tower and have everything built from there, just to fit one graphics card. How many pins something has, the dimentions of things, these all must be taken into consideration before buying.
I got a new machine from Scan, but my options came to about £1300.
That was the only way to get hold of a new RTX 3060 graphics card in the current market.
I spent more afterwards on increasing the memory to 32GB, on another SSD and more case fans.
You can get a RTX 3060 system for under £1000 if you reduce the CPU and initial memory, but be prepared to spend later to get it up to spec.
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/scan-gamer-rtx-intel-core-i5-10400f-16gb-ddr4-12gb-evga-rtx-3060-1tb-m2-ssd-win-10-see-info
I can recommend Overclockers to build your PC. I have an Amd Ryzen 3600 plus an RTX 3060 with 12gb memory plus 16gb Ram. Very quick renders even with a 6 or 7 characters and a full set