Leaping Lizards - Reptilian 6? What's next?

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited December 1969

    Curious how the skin applies to Genesis 2 male without the lizard morphs.
    This is what it looks like on Michael 6:

    Very nice! Thanks for showing that!

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,790
    edited December 1969

    Could someone explain what the Control Parameter is for this figure and if it's possible to dial in morphs on specific areas as others have hoped for (like only the legs, only the hands, etc)? Thanks in advance.

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075
    edited December 1969

    Unflateable Pony 6! :ahhh: :ahhh:

  • Twilight76Twilight76 Posts: 318
    edited December 1969

    no Keiko ;)

  • R25SR25S Posts: 595
    edited December 1969

    I wonder if it will be a new Version of the Little Mermaid?
    http://www.daz3d.com/keiko-the-little-mermaid

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,329
    edited December 1969

    Could someone explain what the Control Parameter is for this figure and if it's possible to dial in morphs on specific areas as others have hoped for (like only the legs, only the hands, etc)? Thanks in advance.

    I would expect that the control parameter is a master slider that sets both head and body morphs at once, though I haven't installed yet to be able to check.

  • thd777thd777 Posts: 945
    edited December 1969

    Could someone explain what the Control Parameter is for this figure and if it's possible to dial in morphs on specific areas as others have hoped for (like only the legs, only the hands, etc)? Thanks in advance.

    I would expect that the control parameter is a master slider that sets both head and body morphs at once, though I haven't installed yet to be able to check.

    Correct. That is indeed what it is (controls body + head). The legs and tail are geografts and do not have any morphs. So if you leave the reptile legs off, you can have a reptile body/head with humanoid legs.
    Ciao
    TD

  • Jay Jay_1264499Jay Jay_1264499 Posts: 298
    edited December 1969

    Gotta say massive applause for the two new monsters. Amazing details, gutted I'm broke at the moment!

    I do hope for a Gen 2 female reptile soon also. But in the meantime I'll just stare at the two new figures in awe!

  • Ryuu@AMcCFRyuu@AMcCF Posts: 773
    edited December 1969

    Love seeing this sort of new product! :-)

    But we definitely need more outfits for all these guys, the minotaurs, dragonfolk, etc.

    Just becasue they're monsters doesn't mean they should forced to run around like a bunch of uncivilized barbarians!

    Ever think that maybe the reason they're mugging everybody in sight is because the stores always close up when they come into town to shop for suits? :coolmad:

  • bytescapesbytescapes Posts: 1,905
    edited December 1969

    I do hope for a Gen 2 female reptile soon also. But in the meantime I'll just stare at the two new figures in awe!

    Technically, as reptiles don't lactate, a Gen 2 female reptile wouldn't have breasts. And without getting into the intricacies of reptile genitalia in a family forum, let's just say that it can be pretty hard to tell boy reptiles and girl reptiles apart.

    So the Reptilian 6, although based on Genesis 2 Male, could equally well be male or female.

    Reptiles may exhibit various forms of sexual dimorphism (the different sexes have different appearances), including coloration, presence of features such as crests or frills, and size differences. However, those would probably be easy enough to implement. I haven't been able to find out whether there's any rule about size ratios: whether males are bigger than females, or vice-versa, but you could decide for yourself how that should go.

  • Jay Jay_1264499Jay Jay_1264499 Posts: 298
    edited December 1969

    Love seeing this sort of new product! :-)

    But we definitely need more outfits for all these guys, the minotaurs, dragonfolk, etc.

    Just becasue they're monsters doesn't mean they should forced to run around like a bunch of uncivilized barbarians!

    Ever think that maybe the reason they're mugging everybody in sight is because the stores always close up when they come into town to shop for suits? :coolmad:

    Good points, but if I had the physique that Minotaur has I'd be walking around all day in a loincloth as well!

  • WakakanadaWakakanada Posts: 208
    edited December 1969

    Is there a morph to make the tail bigger? I would like to do a Spiderman Lizard character but I would like a larger [more Godzilla-like] look to the tail.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited December 1969

    The ability to dial-in some morphs and to use the textures for other critters make the set a keeper for me. I'm not so much into the default Reptilian head or the teeth (especially the teeth) but the body and tail are quite useful and I really like the texture expansion by Sarsa/ DAZ Originals. Useful stuff for making your alien figures more different. I hope to see more textures that allow for more alien figures.

    Agree about getting more togs/clothing for the 'monster' characters. Perhaps something a bit modern to get away from the jungle/tribal/Gor look for a while.

  • Jay Jay_1264499Jay Jay_1264499 Posts: 298
    edited December 1969

    angusm said:
    I do hope for a Gen 2 female reptile soon also. But in the meantime I'll just stare at the two new figures in awe!

    Technically, as reptiles don't lactate, a Gen 2 female reptile wouldn't have breasts. And without getting into the intricacies of reptile genitalia in a family forum, let's just say that it can be pretty hard to tell boy reptiles and girl reptiles apart.

    So the Reptilian 6, although based on Genesis 2 Male, could equally well be male or female.

    Reptiles may exhibit various forms of sexual dimorphism (the different sexes have different appearances), including coloration, presence of features such as crests or frills, and size differences. However, those would probably be easy enough to implement. I haven't been able to find out whether there's any rule about size ratios: whether males are bigger than females, or vice-versa, but you could decide for yourself how that should go.

    Interesting so would the morph and materials word on a gen 2 female as well?

  • XenomorphineXenomorphine Posts: 2,421
    edited December 1969

    thd777 said:
    Could someone explain what the Control Parameter is for this figure and if it's possible to dial in morphs on specific areas as others have hoped for (like only the legs, only the hands, etc)? Thanks in advance.

    I would expect that the control parameter is a master slider that sets both head and body morphs at once, though I haven't installed yet to be able to check.

    Correct. That is indeed what it is (controls body + head). The legs and tail are geografts and do not have any morphs. So if you leave the reptile legs off, you can have a reptile body/head with humanoid legs.
    Ciao
    TD

    That's... Really sad news. I always wanted Genesis 2 to have properly taloned, digitigrade legs like this has.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,692
    edited December 1969

    thd777 said:
    Could someone explain what the Control Parameter is for this figure and if it's possible to dial in morphs on specific areas as others have hoped for (like only the legs, only the hands, etc)? Thanks in advance.

    I would expect that the control parameter is a master slider that sets both head and body morphs at once, though I haven't installed yet to be able to check.

    Correct. That is indeed what it is (controls body + head). The legs and tail are geografts and do not have any morphs. So if you leave the reptile legs off, you can have a reptile body/head with humanoid legs.
    Ciao
    TD

    That's... Really sad news. I always wanted Genesis 2 to have properly taloned, digitigrade legs like this has.

    You can load only the legs.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited December 2014

    Here we have some of the morphs applied to G2Male.=-)

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  • WakakanadaWakakanada Posts: 208
    edited December 1969

    Hmm...keep getting "Download Failed" in DIM...wonder if it's cause so many people are scooping this up!?!!!

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,790
    edited December 1969

    You can load only the legs.

    Well now things are getting confusing. ;) So if I have this straight, you can load the reptile head separately, the reptile body separately, or both at once, and the legs and tail are geografted figures that you can fit onto any G2M character. Does the tail have posing morphs?

  • XenomorphineXenomorphine Posts: 2,421
    edited December 2014

    Loading the legs on their own, yeah, I guessed. But they won't look right on certain figures without the ability to dial them in by percentages. I'd imagine particularly slender/skeletal/emaciated creatures might well suffer from that.

    Not that I'm complaining! Stuff like the Minotaur, I don't really have much use for. This, I have definite use for - and those diverse skins are certainly going to come in useful for the various Creature Creator stuff.

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  • LintonLinton Posts: 543
    edited December 1969

    Ohh, how I would KILL for a male drider (half drow, half spider), like in the Forgotten Realms stories.

    Not a female one like the Poser for V4 Ariadne, but one for the men like all driders are. (Poor bastards are punished by Lloth and turned into half man, half spider creations who are virtual zombies to the priestesses who control them.

    Unlikely, but here's hoping!

    You could try to make your own... Use primitives to make an arachnid lower body (surely, creating the legs - and then posing them - will take lots of time). Spheres should be useful. Then load a male morph, hide the lower parts, place him inside the spider and parent them to each other. It could work.
    )

    I have done a little bit of practice with primitives, still figuring my way around them, and making a spider realistic enough to make it work is just a little beyond my skills so far.

    Then adding textures is just a little more than I am currently capable of. However, I can afford to buy one if someone was to make one ...

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    edited December 1969

    So, first we got a Minotaur, now we get a Lizardman? If this follows through in the same way the Genesis monsters did, there's at least one more waiting in the wings. Anyone want to take bets on what it (or they) will be?

    Werepoodle.

    What else could it possibly be?

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,296
    edited December 1969

    Ohh, how I would KILL for a male drider (half drow, half spider), like in the Forgotten Realms stories.

    Not a female one like the Poser for V4 Ariadne, but one for the men like all driders are. (Poor bastards are punished by Lloth and turned into half man, half spider creations who are virtual zombies to the priestesses who control them.

    Unlikely, but here's hoping!

    You could try to make your own... Use primitives to make an arachnid lower body (surely, creating the legs - and then posing them - will take lots of time). Spheres should be useful. Then load a male morph, hide the lower parts, place him inside the spider and parent them to each other. It could work.
    )

    I have done a little bit of practice with primitives, still figuring my way around them, and making a spider realistic enough to make it work is just a little beyond my skills so far.

    Then adding textures is just a little more than I am currently capable of. However, I can afford to buy one if someone was to make one ...

    There's a much easier option if you have GenX2. There are a couple of spider-bodies out there like Val3DArt at Rendo's L'Arahna, so you could just roll the necessary morphs over from V4 to G2M and then sub the genesis figure for the gen 4.

  • KinichKinich Posts: 924
    edited December 2014

    Okay the Reptilian was a must buy for me, a Christmas treat for myself so here are a couple of quick renders, the first the plain Reptilian figure without the legs, though you can't tell with this crop, the second is a result of me dialling various Creature Creator morphs, to my mind it is somewhat reminiscent of the Gremlins from the film of the same title.

    Edit, okay the forum software loaded the images in reverse order, so please read the above the same way.

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  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 3,071
    edited December 1969

    angusm said:
    I do hope for a Gen 2 female reptile soon also. But in the meantime I'll just stare at the two new figures in awe!

    Technically, as reptiles don't lactate, a Gen 2 female reptile wouldn't have breasts. And without getting into the intricacies of reptile genitalia in a family forum, let's just say that it can be pretty hard to tell boy reptiles and girl reptiles apart.

    So the Reptilian 6, although based on Genesis 2 Male, could equally well be male or female.

    Reptiles may exhibit various forms of sexual dimorphism (the different sexes have different appearances), including coloration, presence of features such as crests or frills, and size differences. However, those would probably be easy enough to implement. I haven't been able to find out whether there's any rule about size ratios: whether males are bigger than females, or vice-versa, but you could decide for yourself how that should go.

    Well, "technically" reptiles aren't humanoid and walk around on two legs either. ;-)

    This mini-rant isn't aimed at angusm (honest) but rather for everyone who "knows" that dragons, reptoids and all other various aliens and imaginary creatures absolutely have to adhere to a very, very narrow and biased guideline... "technically".

    While I appreciate that some people can only see creatures like this as Earth lizards reshaped, I prefer to think of them as aliens having reptilian characteristics.

    On Earth, we have mammals who have hair, are warm-blooded, have mammary glands and suckle their young and lay eggs (Monotremes).

    On Earth, we have a mammal who has "scales" (pangolin).

    If you want to tell me that "your" humanoid aliens can't have mammary glands, no problem, but that doesn't mean that someone else's can't.

    It certainly doesn't mean it's "technically" impossible.

    If something is standing right in front of you, then "technically" it must be possible. If it doesn't seem "technically" possible, then you've made some errors in your observations and it's time to recalibrate. Your assumptions must be wrong, since it clearly exists. ;-)

    If dragons actually existed, they might just as well be related more to chickens than to lizards (like a certain feathered, winged serpent), so why can't they be warm-blooded?

    Giant "ants"?

    No problem.

    Granted, if these giant "ants" were just a normal ant grown to monstrous size without any other changes whatsoever then I freely admit that the square/cube law would make them impossible.

    However, the ability to accept that something can grow to giant size while also "knowing" that the material making up said creature can't possibly change is self-limiting. A giant "ant" just has to be made of different material, material that would support its new size and weight.

    Heart not big enough to pump blood through a huge body? Why assume the heart, material and internal structure is identical to a normal-sized being?

    Scientific thought is awesome, but instead of seeing something awe-inspiring and lifting one's nose with an "impossible!" why not see what's clearly possible (you're looking right at it!) and use the same scientific method to explain why it actually might be possible?

    There's always an explanation.

    Explosion and "whooshing" sounds in space? Why get annoyed, why not assume that, since you're hearing it, there must be some explanation... like sensors built into the audio/visual system that synthesizes the sounds, acting as a type of sensory additive to help you track what's happening more naturally, like an audio motion detector that lets you use one of your senses to track enemies approaching that are out of your line of sight?

    I'm all for science (my university major was chemistry) but I prefer to have it work side-by-side with my imagination, not against it.

    If there's a female with reptilian traits AND mammary glands standing right before you, then "technically" it exists, and there must be some explanation beyond what you've come to expect. Saying it's not "technically" possible when it's standing right there in front of you just sounds silly.

    Put me on the Rawn's-Female-Reptile-With-Breasts waiting list. ;-)

    -- Walt Sterdan

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,559
    edited December 1969

    wsterdan said:
    angusm said:
    I do hope for a Gen 2 female reptile soon also. But in the meantime I'll just stare at the two new figures in awe!

    Technically, as reptiles don't lactate, a Gen 2 female reptile wouldn't have breasts. And without getting into the intricacies of reptile genitalia in a family forum, let's just say that it can be pretty hard to tell boy reptiles and girl reptiles apart.

    So the Reptilian 6, although based on Genesis 2 Male, could equally well be male or female.

    Reptiles may exhibit various forms of sexual dimorphism (the different sexes have different appearances), including coloration, presence of features such as crests or frills, and size differences. However, those would probably be easy enough to implement. I haven't been able to find out whether there's any rule about size ratios: whether males are bigger than females, or vice-versa, but you could decide for yourself how that should go.

    Well, "technically" reptiles aren't humanoid and walk around on two legs either. ;-)

    This mini-rant isn't aimed at angusm (honest) but rather for everyone who "knows" that dragons, reptoids and all other various aliens and imaginary creatures absolutely have to adhere to a very, very narrow and biased guideline... "technically".

    While I appreciate that some people can only see creatures like this as Earth lizards reshaped, I prefer to think of them as aliens having reptilian characteristics.

    On Earth, we have mammals who have hair, are warm-blooded, have mammary glands and suckle their young and lay eggs (Monotremes).

    On Earth, we have a mammal who has "scales" (pangolin).

    If you want to tell me that "your" humanoid aliens can't have mammary glands, no problem, but that doesn't mean that someone else's can't.

    It certainly doesn't mean it's "technically" impossible.

    If something is standing right in front of you, then "technically" it must be possible. If it doesn't seem "technically" possible, then you've made some errors in your observations and it's time to recalibrate. Your assumptions must be wrong, since it clearly exists. ;-)

    If dragons actually existed, they might just as well be related more to chickens than to lizards (like a certain feathered, winged serpent), so why can't they be warm-blooded?

    Giant "ants"?

    No problem.

    Granted, if these giant "ants" were just a normal ant grown to monstrous size without any other changes whatsoever then I freely admit that the square/cube law would make them impossible.

    However, the ability to accept that something can grow to giant size while also "knowing" that the material making up said creature can't possibly change is self-limiting. A giant "ant" just has to be made of different material, material that would support its new size and weight.

    Heart not big enough to pump blood through a huge body? Why assume the heart, material and internal structure is identical to a normal-sized being?

    Scientific thought is awesome, but instead of seeing something awe-inspiring and lifting one's nose with an "impossible!" why not see what's clearly possible (you're looking right at it!) and use the same scientific method to explain why it actually might be possible?

    There's always an explanation.

    Explosion and "whooshing" sounds in space? Why get annoyed, why not assume that, since you're hearing it, there must be some explanation... like sensors built into the audio/visual system that synthesizes the sounds, acting as a type of sensory additive to help you track what's happening more naturally, like an audio motion detector that lets you use one of your senses to track enemies approaching that are out of your line of sight?

    I'm all for science (my university major was chemistry) but I prefer to have it work side-by-side with my imagination, not against it.

    If there's a female with reptilian traits AND mammary glands standing right before you, then "technically" it exists, and there must be some explanation beyond what you've come to expect. Saying it's not "technically" possible when it's standing right there in front of you just sounds silly.

    Put me on the Rawn's-Female-Reptile-With-Breasts waiting list. ;-)

    -- Walt Sterdan

    and don't forget all the scifi and fantasy tv, films, comics that feature humanoid reptillians and other humanoid creatures the females have humanoid breasts/genitals Doctor Who, V (the original series from the 80's), Star Trek, probably Star Wars franchise, and many many others and it is Science Fiction fantasy and also in this wide universe if there are any creatures like this out there they may look like that and not how we perceive a reptillian humanoid should look like our reptiles minus breasts and one more thing there are plenty of creatures past and present that contradict what we perceive should be and look like plenty of freakingly weird creatures exist some don't even look real but are

  • XenomorphineXenomorphine Posts: 2,421
    edited December 2014

    With a reptilian humanoid character, I'd imagine breasted versions would appeal to the 'furry' community (or would it be 'scaly', in her case?). Reptilian looks lend themselves a heck of a lot easier to anthropomorphic stuff than I'd imagine squirrels and stuff do (if only because humans typically don't have fur all over them, which makes the psychological connection easier to make).

    Personally, I'd be amused to put one in a science-fiction uniform to parody 'Star Trek. :)

    For any other uses, I'd dial out the breasts, though. I remember Dark Horse comics brought out a in-house guide for writers who would be involved in their 'Predator' adaptation stories. It's an alien, sure, but it has most traits in common with reptilian life. Dark Horse had the advice: If you're close enough to tell its gender, then you're already dead. :)

    Of course, lots of fan-boys got their fun by drawing 'female' Predators with huge breasts, not comprehending that breast-feeding would be, at best, an insanely risky proposition for the mothers when you're a species which has jaws which are a cross between crab legs and an industrial shredder... You wouldn't want soft tissue anywhere near a mouth like that, infant or not!

    Plus, y'know... Reptiles generally don't have lips which can be easily formed for suction, so...

    That's why I'd dial cleavage out for a would-be G2F Reptilian, but maybe retain them if I was doing a parody or maybe something aimed at kids (who tend to appreciate obvious clues when you're trying to imply that something has a particular status/gender).

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited December 1969

    I tend to want to use content like this for the parts =-)

    So whether something scaly has breasts or not is entirely up to the creator and the species being depicted. In many ways scales seem a logical physical adaption and preferable to certain environments than skin.

    If we are talking aliens, the sky is the limit. It..might for example be a masculine trait to have mammary glands for nursing, or that gender is different or exists in multiples we do not have here.

    In any case, Reptilian is a great addition to the DAZ Studio library for me, and I love it- for the body shape and texture set.

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 3,071
    edited December 1969

    With a reptilian humanoid character, I'd imagine breasted versions would appeal to the 'furry' community (or would it be 'scaly', in her case?). Reptilian looks lend themselves a heck of a lot easier to anthropomorphic stuff than I'd imagine squirrels and stuff do (if only because humans typically don't have fur all over them, which makes the psychological connection easier to make).

    Personally, I'd be amused to put one in a science-fiction uniform to parody 'Star Trek. :)

    For any other uses, I'd dial out the breasts, though. I remember Dark Horse comics brought out a in-house guide for writers who would be involved in their 'Predator' adaptation stories. It's an alien, sure, but it has most traits in common with reptilian life. Dark Horse had the advice: If you're close enough to tell its gender, then you're already dead. :)

    Of course, lots of fan-boys got their fun by drawing 'female' Predators with huge breasts, not comprehending that breast-feeding would be, at best, an insanely risky proposition for the mothers when you're a species which has jaws which are a cross between crab legs and an industrial shredder... You wouldn't want soft tissue anywhere near a mouth like that, infant or not!

    Plus, y'know... Reptiles generally don't have lips which can be easily formed for suction, so...

    That's why I'd dial cleavage out for a would-be G2F Reptilian, but maybe retain them if I was doing a parody or maybe something aimed at kids (who tend to appreciate obvious clues when you're trying to imply that something has a particular status/gender).

    No problems here; to clarify, my only problem is when people point out that something imaginary is scientifically "wrong" when it ain't necessarily so. I can agree with your preferences above, but I could also point out that humans have teeth capable of ripping flesh from bone and still manage to suckle at their mother's breast. It's not a huge leap to think that Predators could develop their ripping and tearing parts later on. Have we seen baby Predators? Do they come from eggs, do they pop out ready to take down small deer on their own, or lie in their cribs tearing apart cow legs from day one? ;-)

    -- Walt Sterdan

  • wsterdanwsterdan Posts: 3,071
    edited December 1969

    IIf we are talking aliens, the sky is the limit. It..might for example be a masculine trait to have mammary glands for nursing, or that gender is different or exists in multiples we do not have here.

    I'm reminded of the hermaphroditic, reptilian Dracs from Enemy Mine (my wife loved that movie). ;-)

    -- Walt Sterdan

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