WARNING Anyone On YouTube UPDATE MAY 12/2021

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  • Faeryl WomynFaeryl Womyn Posts: 3,771

    Taoz said:

    Well I'm not surprised about that TOS.  But if you can say no to this sample thing what is the problem? 

    The problem is YouTube didn't tell anyone they did this, it was found out on the companies forum when some YouTubers saw it and uploaded video's about it to let everyone know. The majority of people don't know anything about this change, the auto on aspect or that they have to shut it off each individual video to stop it. A very  underhanded thing to do. The reason I know about this is because I'm subscribed to Alan Spicers channel and a manager on his discord server. He's on YouTubes forums all the time and lets people know about new things.

  • jjmainorjjmainor Posts: 500

    Faeryl Womyn said:

    Taoz said:

    Well I'm not surprised about that TOS.  But if you can say no to this sample thing what is the problem? 

    The problem is YouTube didn't tell anyone they did this, it was found out on the companies forum when some YouTubers saw it and uploaded video's about it to let everyone know. The majority of people don't know anything about this change, the auto on aspect or that they have to shut it off each individual video to stop it. A very  underhanded thing to do. The reason I know about this is because I'm subscribed to Alan Spicers channel and a manager on his discord server. He's on YouTubes forums all the time and lets people know about new things.

    They made it onerous for creators to opt out.  It's not just that you have to go through your entire catalog and deselect it for each individual video.  It's not just that they didn't tell you they were doing it.  It's also that they hide the option so you don't see it when you upload a video, and you have to go through an extra step to get to it.  It couldn't be more obvious they're trying to do this without the creators' knowledge, and that they're making it as hard as possible to opt out on your old videos hoping you give up and just leave it on.

  • LucielLuciel Posts: 475

    jjmainor said:

    Faeryl Womyn said:

    Taoz said:

    Well I'm not surprised about that TOS.  But if you can say no to this sample thing what is the problem? 

    The problem is YouTube didn't tell anyone they did this, it was found out on the companies forum when some YouTubers saw it and uploaded video's about it to let everyone know. The majority of people don't know anything about this change, the auto on aspect or that they have to shut it off each individual video to stop it. A very  underhanded thing to do. The reason I know about this is because I'm subscribed to Alan Spicers channel and a manager on his discord server. He's on YouTubes forums all the time and lets people know about new things.

    They made it onerous for creators to opt out.  It's not just that you have to go through your entire catalog and deselect it for each individual video.  It's not just that they didn't tell you they were doing it.  It's also that they hide the option so you don't see it when you upload a video, and you have to go through an extra step to get to it.  It couldn't be more obvious they're trying to do this without the creators' knowledge, and that they're making it as hard as possible to opt out on your old videos hoping you give up and just leave it on.

    Thats basically how all companies do things now, everything is in the state that suits companies first. Though it's probably that way because people in general are creatures that will settle for most things, even if they complain lots about it. So wont really care about just living with the minor annoyance. Then forget about it quickly when the next drama arrives.

    I suppose they could make it harder (email to revoke access per video), or just not give the option at all. So there's that at least. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,400

    people use bits of my videos anyway long before this, one company even tried claiming copyright on one of mine because one of their customers had more views than me on a reupload of my video that went viral and was mentioned by Pewdiepie.

    At least this way there is some sort of digital trail and compensation for those who monetise stuff and others use bits of it.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,400

    my awful video, it was me rigging the genesis April Fool prototype in in Carrara and an inside joke the internet will never get

     

    the viral reupload

     

     

    Pewdiepie's video that made the reupload viral

  • PaintboxPaintbox Posts: 1,633
    edited May 2021

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    my awful video, it was me rigging the genesis April Fool prototype in in Carrara and an inside joke the internet will never get

    Really? Wow... just did a review of your channel, monetized you would have made ~$17.000 up to now.

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    i couldnt help but notice people are putting their videos to profesional songs like lady gaga.

    is there some kind of special subscription to be allowed to do that or is it all illegal?

    thanks.

    theres a few songs i'd love to do videos to, 

  • Faeryl WomynFaeryl Womyn Posts: 3,771

    Mystiarra said:

    i couldnt help but notice people are putting their videos to profesional songs like lady gaga.

    is there some kind of special subscription to be allowed to do that or is it all illegal?

    thanks.

    theres a few songs i'd love to do videos to, 

    It's illegal, however the popularity of the AMV's makes it one of those "we'll ignore it" types of illegal. Only time they get in trouble is if the singer, musician or the production company make a complaint and that has been known to happen.

  • Faeryl WomynFaeryl Womyn Posts: 3,771

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

     

    I made a comment on the thief's video and PewDie Pie's. considering how old they are I doubt they will even see it. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,400

    Faeryl Womyn said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

     

    I made a comment on the thief's video and PewDie Pie's. considering how old they are I doubt they will even see it. 

    I have commented myself and no responses from anyone, way to many comments for anyone to see, I never complained about it just got very upset when that company he must have signed up wth to promote it came after me 

    Defy Media top 15's

    told them where to go and look at the upload dates!!!!

    much of my stuff probably that included I made creative commons and encouraged others to do fan videos, particulary my Tom R Toe and JaguarElla videos.

    So them uploading it in itself not a problem, Defy Media trying to claim rights on the otherhand was not on and the reason this new thing may help.

    The FatRat had a worse situation with fake claims and he provides free music for YouTube and bootlegs.

     

     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,400

    I wish

    I unmonetised everything it was more like $10 a month laugh and not worth the potential issues with the Australian Taxation Office and my Superannuation I am living on, not impossible but more paperwork than I wanted to do for so little. I actually pay zero tax on my measly income at the moment and don't want to complicate things.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,863

    Legally in the US, an intentionally public video, whether free or paid, can be sampled for editorial purposes. That's nothing new, been that way for decades, but the internet being the internet you can bet some people are sampling the entire video.

  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    marble said:

    Taoz said:

    marble said:

    It is interesting to watch how the copyright issues play out over time. Some years ago there was a significant problem with people copying DVDs and there were doom mongers predicting the end of the movie industry due to lost profits. A few years later that problem shifted to torrents and again, the dire predictions. These days, there is so much content available over a few relatively cheap streaming services that torrents are the kind of risky hazard that most people will not bother with.

    My former ISP give all their users free streaming access to millions of music CDs, also brand new ones, as part of your internet subscription.  I hardly ever used it though, there's tons of radio stations on the internet anyway, if you want music. 

    Yeah, when it comes to music, things have progressed even more so. Gone are the days of ripping my CD collection to my PC hard drive. My son gets Spotify free with his phone contract while I pay a few $$ for YouTube Premium  which comes with YouTube Music (the successor to Google Play Music) so I can listen to anything I want, any time I want. Plus I took the option of uploading my whole iTunes library so that I don't have to struggle with that awful piece of software ever again. Also, with YouTube Premium, I avoid having those persistant and annoying ads interrupt everything I watch so a double benefit. The downside is that YouTube as a music player is even worse now than it was when it was Google Play Music and I would prefer Spotify purely as a player, but hey, hopefully Google will get it right some day.

    OT: I just hope you folks listen to international mainstream chart toppers only, the ones on major labels. Spotify and other streaming platforms pay an absolutely ridiculous sum to the artist, so any more or less independent/underground artists would really benefit from the listeners buying directly from them, via bandcamp etc., including merch.

  • LynnInDenverLynnInDenver Posts: 147

    Yeah, I think the idea is that YouTube wants to include the "take samples" thing as part of the licensing... the issue is that they're running it (like too much stuff on the internet) as an Opt Out, when anything like this should be an Opt In. And yeah, that it has to be done on each video individually says volumes about that they want it to happen by making sure it's too onerous for many channels to actually go and change it. I only had to change it for around 30 videos, I can't imagine doing that for 100+.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Mustakettu85 said:

    marble said:

    Taoz said:

    marble said:

    It is interesting to watch how the copyright issues play out over time. Some years ago there was a significant problem with people copying DVDs and there were doom mongers predicting the end of the movie industry due to lost profits. A few years later that problem shifted to torrents and again, the dire predictions. These days, there is so much content available over a few relatively cheap streaming services that torrents are the kind of risky hazard that most people will not bother with.

    My former ISP give all their users free streaming access to millions of music CDs, also brand new ones, as part of your internet subscription.  I hardly ever used it though, there's tons of radio stations on the internet anyway, if you want music. 

    Yeah, when it comes to music, things have progressed even more so. Gone are the days of ripping my CD collection to my PC hard drive. My son gets Spotify free with his phone contract while I pay a few $$ for YouTube Premium  which comes with YouTube Music (the successor to Google Play Music) so I can listen to anything I want, any time I want. Plus I took the option of uploading my whole iTunes library so that I don't have to struggle with that awful piece of software ever again. Also, with YouTube Premium, I avoid having those persistant and annoying ads interrupt everything I watch so a double benefit. The downside is that YouTube as a music player is even worse now than it was when it was Google Play Music and I would prefer Spotify purely as a player, but hey, hopefully Google will get it right some day.

    OT: I just hope you folks listen to international mainstream chart toppers only, the ones on major labels. Spotify and other streaming platforms pay an absolutely ridiculous sum to the artist, so any more or less independent/underground artists would really benefit from the listeners buying directly from them, via bandcamp etc., including merch.

    I still listen a lot to my playlists which I uploaded from my personal library, all of which is paid-for music from CDs and pre-streaming downloads. Otherwise, I pick a song and then click "Start Radio" in which case I have no control of the selections although they tend to be (if it works properly) of a certain genre and style. I do not listen to pop chart-toppers - ever - but my preferred artists are usually big names like Dylan, Van Morrison, Eric Clapton, etc. That's often the kind of thing people of my age listen to.

  • rigomrtsfxrigomrtsfx Posts: 103

    i use to post my 3d artwork and cgi fxs and my making of horror masks and prop making there i pulled them down long ago

    the views never really did get high views ,  yes with anything you post on any site once you upload it it is no longer yours .......heres what happen back in 2004 i uploaded my videos to one site

    and a friend found my things on another site and i never made acount on that site and not only that after more digging and i called this one person that did run the site and here is what he said

    when you upload your artwork and or videos or photos they are sold to other sites with out your say so and you dont know about it and you are not payed for your artwork or videos sites

    pay another site 10 cents to one dollar per video or your work being artwork or ever a photo .....lets say you when on a trip and you had some nice photos that photo is taken and can end up any where around the world

    and used and even you your photo for a add or selling something you have no idea someone is selling something and your photo is selling it , and you have no idea and your not being payed for it

    the next thing you know you could be sued for what ever from someone half way around the world , so yes all the photos and trips you take photos are sold to other sites with out your say so

    even your ideas on youtube are taken and used by others , thats why i dont post any of my good stuff on youtube anymore ...........some where someone is taking that nice photo or seen of that land scape you have taken

    and could be useing it even in a screen saver pack on a cd ,  again once you upload it its theres to do with what they like ............ what i use to do would be make more then one version of it and post it as B&W artwork and

    make my own web site the full version or water mark it to death ,   i still do 3d artwork from time to time but got back into drawing but keeping my best ideas offline and better artwork to friends only

    i am all ways blown away at the artwork you guys make here at daz ,  i still use bryce and daz sometimes

     

  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933
    marble said:
    my preferred artists are usually big names like Dylan, Van Morrison, Eric Clapton, etc. That's often the kind of thing people of my age listen to.

    These forums don't show birth dates :)) Kudos for staying true to your roots.

  • Faeryl WomynFaeryl Womyn Posts: 3,771

    Now that youtube is granting permissions for samples to be used in shorts, they are now monetizing shorts, currently only for the US and India, don't know if that will change. This is going to be a big drive for people to take said samples and reupload to try and get a chuck of the 100 million dollars now being offered. I find it highly suspicious these two changes happening so close to each other.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    Faeryl Womyn said:

    Youtube has just implented a new option that basically gives anyone and everyone the right to take samples of your video's and use them for whatever and wherever they want, without your permission or any say in the matter. It's turned on automatically and to stop it you have to go to every single video you have, locate the option cause they buried it and turn it off.

    This second video the guy shows you where to find the option to turn off.

    I thought fair-usage had existed for a long time.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 111,173

    nicstt said:

    Faeryl Womyn said:

    Youtube has just implented a new option that basically gives anyone and everyone the right to take samples of your video's and use them for whatever and wherever they want, without your permission or any say in the matter. It's turned on automatically and to stop it you have to go to every single video you have, locate the option cause they buried it and turn it off.

    This second video the guy shows you where to find the option to turn off.

    I thought fair-usage had existed for a long time.

    Fair usage doesn't allow as much as people tend to think.

  • margravemargrave Posts: 1,822

    Mystiarra said:

    i couldnt help but notice people are putting their videos to profesional songs like lady gaga.

    is there some kind of special subscription to be allowed to do that or is it all illegal?

    thanks.

    theres a few songs i'd love to do videos to, 

    It depends. Some copyright holders allow Youtube users blanket use of their songs, but the video could be monetized and all the money would go to them (the copyright holders). So you'd have to do it for love of the game.

    I recall seeing a big list of monetizable artists somewhere on Youtube's website, but I don't recall how to find it.

  • Faeryl WomynFaeryl Womyn Posts: 3,771

    Fairuse is definitely not what many think it means. Another problem is far too many think that just because it's put on the internet, they have a right to it and can do what they want with it.

    This video does a very good job of explaining what all that mean, fairuse, copyright, creative commons, etc. and how it all pertains to YouTube.

  • FishtalesFishtales Posts: 6,228

    New email from Google about their change to the YouTube Terms of Service.

    A summary of the changes:
    • Facial recognition restrictions: The Terms of Service already state that you cannot collect any information that might identify a person without their permission. While this has always included facial recognition information, the new Terms make that explicitly clear.
    • YouTube's right to monetise: YouTube has the right to monetise all content on the platform, and ads may appear on videos from channels not in the YouTube Partner Programme.
    • Royalty payments and tax withholding: For creators entitled to revenue payments, such payments will be treated as royalties from a US tax perspective, and Google will withhold taxes where required by law.

     

     

  • WendyLuvsCatz said:

    my awful video, it was me rigging the genesis April Fool prototype in in Carrara and an inside joke the internet will never get

     

    the viral reupload

     

     

    Pewdiepie's video that made the reupload viral

    Maybe I'm going crazy, but I could've sworn I've seen a replica of that video(or something very very close to it) on a TV commercial at some point a while back. It looks really familiar.

  • charlescharles Posts: 866

    umm wait yt is doing this now but killed my 2 million views channel as being spam even though it was all original content? original, spun random bot content, but still. Who is watching the watchers?!?!?

     

     

  • Roman_K2Roman_K2 Posts: 1,277

    I guess my beef is the "flavors" or variants of Youtube. In some cases I can keep the files to do with as I choose, but on my Android tablet (say) with its newer operating system there is no direct access to the files. Used to be, I could D/L a reasonable copy of a clip and I could store it locally on a desktop computer running Windows say; being a bit slow in the "Learn New Stuff Now or Else!" dept. I appreciated the ability to trim things or make outtakes and maybe slow them down using Movie Maker (say).

    It all seems to be a negative... trend. At least Apple doesn't hassle you after you've bought something - whereas I paid a premium several weeks ago to dowload a historical docu-drama from "Amazon Prime"... I was astonished when I tried to play it and all of the files had "expired" from my hard drive.

    In case you didn't know this, when it comes to Android almost every program in the Play Store wants access to your entire device.

    Verizon tried a thing with their "Oath Corp." following their takeover of Yahoo where you needed to agree to let them read all of your e-mail. I tried to avoid signing up for that and I think the idea is now toast (Verizon wrote off the entire mess) but who's to say what's next?

  • ermullensermullens Posts: 93

    been software available for several years that downloads directly from YT by simple copy/paste of the address of the video. unless you find it uploaded somewhere else, really no way to know

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,556

    Apparently YouTube now runs some type of copyright checks on videos before they are published. Apparently the music folk all think is great. I think their computers' software needs adjusting or something. I uploaded a video with the SAME song [organ music only] playing over and over ... and get this, it claims that there is copyrighted material in 3 different spots [not the entire video, not the entire song just 3 spots] for 3 DIFFERENT songs lol ... So they published the video and looks like that's okay BUT no can monetize it [which I wasn't but still] - I sent notices to the 3 different companies all claiming copyrights on the parts of the same music ... and the way it goes then is if they maintain their position I can appeal it once more or something but they can simply ignore this appeal and if they do, then the claim is automatically dropped or they could be nice and drop it sooner. The music used was legally licensed, etc. and is supposed to be usable on YouTube commercially.

    However YouTube has also notified us via emails that even though we might not have a monetized account, they can/will place their ads on our films and make money anyways. So I figure like some others are doing, if the video cannot be monetized then they can't do this either.

    So this should be "add free" for about a month.

     

  • Faeryl WomynFaeryl Womyn Posts: 3,771

    YouTube is getting more ridiculous as time moves on.

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