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  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,805

    ChangelingChick said:

    SnowSultan said:

    And they will let us know if the EULA changes...oh my god I could never be a mod here. 

    Wanna pitch in and send them cookies with me? :D 

     

    I'd be up for it, they deserve something nice after the last three days.  :) 

    Perhaps a sticky that once again explains the most important things that people don't seem to get would be in order:

     

    * NFTs are completely separate from DAZ content/DAZ Studio and will not affect your creative workflow or shopping in any way.

    * DAZ is NOT GOING TO SELL YOUR ART for NFTs without your permission for the umpteenth time.

    * Moderators do not know DAZ/Tafi's long-term plans in regards to NFTs, so don't blame us and try not to speculate about their sales being the harbinger of the end of civilized society. Thank you.

  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,603

    AnotherUserName said:

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    Here I am again, posting I believe for the fifth time about the exact same thing, because Daz employees have been posting in this thread but people are not reading the other posts.

     

    Daz will not create NFT's of your gallery images without you performing a number of actions to say you want NFT's created of them. Currently we are not accepting requests to make NFT tokens for any gallery images but if that changes and we have a way for you to request we will let you know.

    I believe that the counter point to your statement which has also been posted previously is that EULA's can and will change at anytime the company chooses. Just because daz wont do something today dosent mean they wont do it tomorrow.

    It is not just the gallery thing. I fully trust Daz to respect copyright. Although the EULA leaves a loophole (look for "Combined Works") regarding use of gallery assets, there are a couple of reports from users that have been asked by Daz if they can use their renders, and have been compensated.

    What really sets me off is the NFT promotion disguised as a charity action. For one thing, it is not stated how much will really end up for "Black Girls CODE". The other thing is: with NFT's you are (literally) burning the future of exactly those people. Ethereum has a carbon footprint of Iceland (as of 2018). One single transation requires more energy than an average US household uses a day.

    And they say that they will move to a more energy efficient type of mining really soon. Since 2018. So really "Daz soon".

     

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,705

    AnotherUserName said:

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    Here I am again, posting I believe for the fifth time about the exact same thing, because Daz employees have been posting in this thread but people are not reading the other posts.

     

    Daz will not create NFT's of your gallery images without you performing a number of actions to say you want NFT's created of them. Currently we are not accepting requests to make NFT tokens for any gallery images but if that changes and we have a way for you to request we will let you know.

    I believe that the counter point to your statement which has also been posted previously is that EULA's can and will change at anytime the company chooses. Just because daz wont do something today dosent mean they wont do it tomorrow.

    If the EULA changes you will have to agree to the changed terms.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314

    You know you kind of get the impression [SHARING OBSERVATION HERE] that Tafi's pivoting from away from avatars and going whole hog with this NFT stuff.  The top of their landing page is all Champion NFT.

    Reminds me of when Long Island Iced Tea Corp changed it's name to Long Blockchain Corp.

  • MeneerWolfmanMeneerWolfman Posts: 431

    The sad part is that I would have gladly opened my wallet for some champion branded 3d hoodie assets and other goods that were based off of Champion's clothing line that I could use in Daz. 

  • MeneerWolfmanMeneerWolfman Posts: 431

    Also, if you really are bugged by the NFT and have no interest in it, you can use ublock origin and just block the element. The "NFT" alone is selectable under "Block element".

    Now it's one less button to clutter the site smiley

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  • AbyssalErosAbyssalEros Posts: 289

    MeneerWolfman said:

    The sad part is that I would have gladly opened my wallet for some champion branded 3d hoodie assets and other goods that were based off of Champion's clothing line that I could use in Daz. 

    We already got a lot of clothing products lately, where quality controls failed.
    I think what we artists really need are more of such products, branded with logos of companies who paid for it, in the vain hope that all those digital artists will promote their brands without revenue.

  • AnotherUserNameAnotherUserName Posts: 2,727

    Richard Haseltine said:

    AnotherUserName said:

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    Here I am again, posting I believe for the fifth time about the exact same thing, because Daz employees have been posting in this thread but people are not reading the other posts.

     

    Daz will not create NFT's of your gallery images without you performing a number of actions to say you want NFT's created of them. Currently we are not accepting requests to make NFT tokens for any gallery images but if that changes and we have a way for you to request we will let you know.

    I believe that the counter point to your statement which has also been posted previously is that EULA's can and will change at anytime the company chooses. Just because daz wont do something today dosent mean they wont do it tomorrow.

    If the EULA changes you will have to agree to the changed terms.

    True, but is it not also true that if you do not agree to the EULA, you lose license to use daz software, assets, etc.?

    Assuming that daz took a more agressive stance towards NFT's and the use of artists work, people would be forced into conforming to an NFT agreement just so that they could use everything in their accounts that they had purchased up to this point. Alot of those accounts have been used for a very long time.

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006
    edited April 2021
    SnowSultan said:

    ChangelingChick said:

    SnowSultan said:

    And they will let us know if the EULA changes...oh my god I could never be a mod here. 

    Wanna pitch in and send them cookies with me? :D 

     

    I'd be up for it, they deserve something nice after the last three days.  :) 

    Perhaps a sticky that once again explains the most important things that people don't seem to get would be in order:

     

    * NFTs are completely separate from DAZ content/DAZ Studio and will not affect your creative workflow or shopping in any way.

    * DAZ is NOT GOING TO SELL YOUR ART for NFTs without your permission for the umpteenth time.

    * Moderators do not know DAZ/Tafi's long-term plans in regards to NFTs, so don't blame us and try not to speculate about their sales being the harbinger of the end of civilized society. Thank you.

    Perhaps a sticky about NFT and the Future of Digital Content?

    Also, it won't change the store process for selling items. Whether it changes a customers relationship with the store, as far as shopping goes, is up to the customer.
    Post edited by AlmightyQUEST on
  • Mark_e593e0a5Mark_e593e0a5 Posts: 1,603

    MeneerWolfman said:

    The sad part is that I would have gladly opened my wallet for some champion branded 3d hoodie assets and other goods that were based off of Champion's clothing line that I could use in Daz. 

    What I can say for sure is that NTF's branded with Champion influences my buying behaviour.... 

  • JB007JB007 Posts: 135
    edited April 2021

    AnotherUserName said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    AnotherUserName said:

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    Here I am again, posting I believe for the fifth time about the exact same thing, because Daz employees have been posting in this thread but people are not reading the other posts.

     

    Daz will not create NFT's of your gallery images without you performing a number of actions to say you want NFT's created of them. Currently we are not accepting requests to make NFT tokens for any gallery images but if that changes and we have a way for you to request we will let you know.

    I believe that the counter point to your statement which has also been posted previously is that EULA's can and will change at anytime the company chooses. Just because daz wont do something today dosent mean they wont do it tomorrow.

    If the EULA changes you will have to agree to the changed terms.

    True, but is it not also true that if you do not agree to the EULA, you lose license to use daz software, assets, etc.?

    Assuming that daz took a more agressive stance towards NFT's and the use of artists work, people would be forced into conforming to an NFT agreement just so that they could use everything in their accounts that they had purchased up to this point. Alot of those accounts have been used for a very long time.

    Ultimately, if that comes to pass - then everybody just pulls everything from the Gallery .. 

     

     

    Post edited by JB007 on
  • murgatroyd314murgatroyd314 Posts: 1,569

    Is there a way to unsubscribe from these NFT mails without losing the daily sales mail as well?

  • AbyssalErosAbyssalEros Posts: 289

    MeneerWolfman said:

    Also, if you really are bugged by the NFT and have no interest in it, you can use ublock origin and just block the element. The "NFT" alone is selectable under "Block element".

    Now it's one less button to clutter the site smiley

    Thank you very much!
    I just switched to this addon from another blocker and kicked "NFT" out of my sight!

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,705

    AnotherUserName said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    AnotherUserName said:

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    Here I am again, posting I believe for the fifth time about the exact same thing, because Daz employees have been posting in this thread but people are not reading the other posts.

     

    Daz will not create NFT's of your gallery images without you performing a number of actions to say you want NFT's created of them. Currently we are not accepting requests to make NFT tokens for any gallery images but if that changes and we have a way for you to request we will let you know.

    I believe that the counter point to your statement which has also been posted previously is that EULA's can and will change at anytime the company chooses. Just because daz wont do something today dosent mean they wont do it tomorrow.

    If the EULA changes you will have to agree to the changed terms.

    True, but is it not also true that if you do not agree to the EULA, you lose license to use daz software, assets, etc.?

    No, but you do have to have agreed to the current EULA before you can download from the store, so if you didn't agree you'd lose access to updates/replacement downloads/new content.

    Assuming that daz took a more agressive stance towards NFT's and the use of artists work, people would be forced into conforming to an NFT agreement just so that they could use everything in their accounts that they had purchased up to this point. Alot of those accounts have been used for a very long time.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,662

    murgatroyd314 said:

    Is there a way to unsubscribe from these NFT mails without losing the daily sales mail as well?

    Customer Service response to my ticket asking this question was no. 

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,027
    I have zero concerns that Daz will try to stealth-sell my artwork, or anyone else's artwork, as NFTs. They would gain nothing from it. What I'm rapidly becoming very concerned about is whether they've already staked a significant part of their future plans on NFT promotion, because with Tafi it's increasingly obvious that this wasn't an ill-informed one-off bandwagon jump. They have a crypto hype thing going on, which alarms me because 1) every crypto hype person I've encountered made it their entire personality, and 2) believing you're on top of the game and spinning failures into psychological gold is the defining feature of that. Some people into this stuff have blue sky syndrome even when it ruins them, and there's a whole system there to insist they'll be vindicated in the end.
  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    plasma_ring said:

    I have zero concerns that Daz will try to stealth-sell my artwork, or anyone else's artwork, as NFTs. They would gain nothing from it. What I'm rapidly becoming very concerned about is whether they've already staked a significant part of their future plans on NFT promotion, because with Tafi it's increasingly obvious that this wasn't an ill-informed one-off bandwagon jump. They have a crypto hype thing going on, which alarms me because 1) every crypto hype person I've encountered made it their entire personality, and 2) believing you're on top of the game and spinning failures into psychological gold is the defining feature of that. Some people into this stuff have blue sky syndrome even when it ruins them, and there's a whole system there to insist they'll be vindicated in the end.

    Term "Successful Exit" comes to mind...

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,027
    edited April 2021
    PerttiA said:

    plasma_ring said:

    I have zero concerns that Daz will try to stealth-sell my artwork, or anyone else's artwork, as NFTs. They would gain nothing from it. What I'm rapidly becoming very concerned about is whether they've already staked a significant part of their future plans on NFT promotion, because with Tafi it's increasingly obvious that this wasn't an ill-informed one-off bandwagon jump. They have a crypto hype thing going on, which alarms me because 1) every crypto hype person I've encountered made it their entire personality, and 2) believing you're on top of the game and spinning failures into psychological gold is the defining feature of that. Some people into this stuff have blue sky syndrome even when it ruins them, and there's a whole system there to insist they'll be vindicated in the end.

    Term "Successful Exit" comes to mind...

    Somehow in spite of everything I didn't have "worrying that the leadership behind the software I make Batman fanart in might view the company as raw materials for their pet capitalist utopia projects" on my disaster dartboard. Maybe I'm just gun shy from having worked for a company that almost went under in the past five years for similar reasons. (Advice from a nobody: unless you're already wildly successful and stable, you should probably not be aiming all your efforts at the metaverse. Or gambling everything on an uncertain outcome, period.)
    Post edited by plasma_ring on
  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562

    Richard Haseltine said:

    AnotherUserName said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    AnotherUserName said:

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    Here I am again, posting I believe for the fifth time about the exact same thing, because Daz employees have been posting in this thread but people are not reading the other posts.

     

    Daz will not create NFT's of your gallery images without you performing a number of actions to say you want NFT's created of them. Currently we are not accepting requests to make NFT tokens for any gallery images but if that changes and we have a way for you to request we will let you know.

    I believe that the counter point to your statement which has also been posted previously is that EULA's can and will change at anytime the company chooses. Just because daz wont do something today dosent mean they wont do it tomorrow.

    If the EULA changes you will have to agree to the changed terms.

    True, but is it not also true that if you do not agree to the EULA, you lose license to use daz software, assets, etc.?

    No, but you do have to have agreed to the current EULA before you can download from the store, so if you didn't agree you'd lose access to updates/replacement downloads/new content.

    Assuming that daz took a more agressive stance towards NFT's and the use of artists work, people would be forced into conforming to an NFT agreement just so that they could use everything in their accounts that they had purchased up to this point. Alot of those accounts have been used for a very long time.

    This is why my DIM Download directory contains 48,000 files totaling just over 2TB. I don't delete packages after I install them, just in case I am not able to download them again.

  • RobinsonRobinson Posts: 751

    kyoto kid said:

    ...so if I have it straight, they destroyed an original piece of artwork to (hopefully) make the digital NFT of it increase in value.

    Anyone read Douglas Adams?

    “Thank you. Since we decided a few weeks ago to adopt the leaf as legal tender, we have, of course, all become immensely rich.”

    “So in order to obviate this problem,” he continued, “and effectively revalue the leaf, we are about to embark on a massive defoliation campaign, and. . .er, burn down all the forests. I think you'll all agree that's a sensible move under the circumstances."

    Blockchain (bitcoin etc.) is just one more example of mankind's unbelievable stupidity.

     

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 8,060

    It is always sensible to backup installers of purchased assets, just in case.

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562

    FirstBastion said:

    It is always sensible to backup installers of purchased assets, just in case.

    Exactly. A lot of things can happen other than not accepting a change in the EULA.

    It's hard to accept that 2TBs are being occupied on a live drive of mine, one local external drive, and my cloud backup. It seems like a pointless investment...  until that day you really wish you had.

  • Phoenix1966Phoenix1966 Posts: 1,920

    MeneerWolfman said:

    Also, if you really are bugged by the NFT and have no interest in it, you can use ublock origin and just block the element. The "NFT" alone is selectable under "Block element".

    Now it's one less button to clutter the site smiley

    Thanks. This was really helpful. 

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited April 2021

    I haven't seen an answer anywhere.

    Is it possible to opt out of emails from Daz if they contain NFT?

    If not then everything it is.

    Post edited by nicstt on
  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,137

    OK, I just went to a meeting in VR all about NFTs and I think I understand why Daz (or anyone with money) may be interested. The NFT market helps anyone who has invested in cryptocurrency. So if you pay $150 to mint an NFT and don’t make a profit, you can still make a profit if you are invested in cryptocurrency because it drives the whole market up. So if Daz as a company or the CEO or you or me have invested in cryptocurrency it’s a no lose situation. All minting drives up the market. Also if you create an NFT of your art, you WILL make money any time it is sold. For right now this whole thing really only helps people who want to invest and make money in cryptocurrency although if you’re lucky and your art sells, you can make money too because investors are more interested in driving up the market than the quality of the art which is why a lot of junk is selling. They admit it’s still the Wild West and the ‘bubble” could burst any minute. But right now investors are buying up NFTs just to drive up the market.

  • markgoode77markgoode77 Posts: 343

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    Here I am again, posting I believe for the fifth time about the exact same thing, because Daz employees have been posting in this thread but people are not reading the other posts.

     

    Daz will not create NFT's of your gallery images without you performing a number of actions to say you want NFT's created of them. Currently we are not accepting requests to make NFT tokens for any gallery images but if that changes and we have a way for you to request we will let you know.

    There is more to this than fears of art theft.  Though many people are, with justification, worried about that.  If anyone were to steal any of my work I'd consider it a compliment.

    I've had a growing sense of disillusionment with Daz for a while (and I don't think I'm alone).  Over the last few years I've spent a small fortune here (I dread to think of the actual amount, well into five figures), and I now think I've wasted it.  There seems to be next to no quality control on new products, and a lackadaisical attitude to after sales service (sales support is okay, but that's about money isn't it?)  When problems are brought to your attention, nothing happens.  The latest example, disappearing thumbnails, raised a week or so ago.  Still nothing.  How long should that take to fix?  But now we know why it isn't fixed: all your energies are focused on this NFT swindle.  We can't even get the hardware that your software needs, because scalpers and their bots are seizing it before your customers get a chance, all for this blockchain scam which you are now supporting.  Is it any wonder we're angry?  Our only outlet to vent is these forums, yet heavy handed moderation removes any post which comes close to reflecting this depth of feeling.  I'm sick of my posts being deleted (I expect this one to last about ten minutes).

    And what's happened to the content?  There was a time when every new day was exciting in the world of Daz.  Now, I believe, the word is 'meh'.  Are your PAs suffering the same disillusionment as your customers?

    There was a time when I'd recommend Daz to anyone who would listen.  I would sing its praises - Daz was a way for the artistically challenged, such as myself, to produce something of their own which resembled art.  I loved it.  Now if anyone expresses any interest I tell them to avoid it like the plague.  I'll probably stick around purely because I'm reluctant to write off all that I have spent here, not because of any customer loyalty.  I'm afraid you've lost that.

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006
    nicstt said:

    I haven't seen an answer anywhere.

    Is it possible to opt out of emails from Daz if they contain NFT?

    If not then everything it is.

    You could also contact support, but previously people reported that they asked support this and it was confirmed that all the newsletters are part of the newsletter you sign up for.
  • Kaleb242Kaleb242 Posts: 344

    Wonderland said:

    OK, I just went to a meeting in VR all about NFTs and I think I understand why Daz (or anyone with money) may be interested. The NFT market helps anyone who has invested in cryptocurrency. So if you pay $150 to mint an NFT and don’t make a profit, you can still make a profit if you are invested in cryptocurrency because it drives the whole market up. So if Daz as a company or the CEO or you or me have invested in cryptocurrency it’s a no lose situation. All minting drives up the market. Also if you create an NFT of your art, you WILL make money any time it is sold. For right now this whole thing really only helps people who want to invest and make money in cryptocurrency although if you’re lucky and your art sells, you can make money too because investors are more interested in driving up the market than the quality of the art which is why a lot of junk is selling. They admit it’s still the Wild West and the ‘bubble” could burst any minute. But right now investors are buying up NFTs just to drive up the market.

    Look up Metakovan — Vignesh Sundaresan — the one who started this whole NFT gold rush by purchasing Beeple's NFT for $69 million in the Christie's auction... heavily invested in cryptocurrency and working in the blockchain space.

  • AbyssalErosAbyssalEros Posts: 289

    markgoode77 said:

    DAZ_Rawb said:

    Here I am again, posting I believe for the fifth time about the exact same thing, because Daz employees have been posting in this thread but people are not reading the other posts.

     

    Daz will not create NFT's of your gallery images without you performing a number of actions to say you want NFT's created of them. Currently we are not accepting requests to make NFT tokens for any gallery images but if that changes and we have a way for you to request we will let you know.

    There is more to this than fears of art theft.  Though many people are, with justification, worried about that.  If anyone were to steal any of my work I'd consider it a compliment.

    I've had a growing sense of disillusionment with Daz for a while (and I don't think I'm alone).  Over the last few years I've spent a small fortune here (I dread to think of the actual amount, well into five figures), and I now think I've wasted it.  There seems to be next to no quality control on new products, and a lackadaisical attitude to after sales service (sales support is okay, but that's about money isn't it?)  When problems are brought to your attention, nothing happens.  The latest example, disappearing thumbnails, raised a week or so ago.  Still nothing.  How long should that take to fix?  But now we know why it isn't fixed: all your energies are focused on this NFT swindle.  We can't even get the hardware that your software needs, because scalpers and their bots are seizing it before your customers get a chance, all for this blockchain scam which you are now supporting.  Is it any wonder we're angry?  Our only outlet to vent is these forums, yet heavy handed moderation removes any post which comes close to reflecting this depth of feeling.  I'm sick of my posts being deleted (I expect this one to last about ten minutes).

    And what's happened to the content?  There was a time when every new day was exciting in the world of Daz.  Now, I believe, the word is 'meh'.  Are your PAs suffering the same disillusionment as your customers?

    There was a time when I'd recommend Daz to anyone who would listen.  I would sing its praises - Daz was a way for the artistically challenged, such as myself, to produce something of their own which resembled art.  I loved it.  Now if anyone expresses any interest I tell them to avoid it like the plague.  I'll probably stick around purely because I'm reluctant to write off all that I have spent here, not because of any customer loyalty.  I'm afraid you've lost that.

    I can only wholeheartedly second this.
    I would add to it that in addition to all the issues, DAZ Productions, Inc. has increased the prices for bundles and reduced the purchase incentives. Pro Bundles now have less content for a higher price, with nearly nothing extra coming along in the sales compared to the old bundle sales.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    plasma_ring said:

    PerttiA said:

    plasma_ring said:

    I have zero concerns that Daz will try to stealth-sell my artwork, or anyone else's artwork, as NFTs. They would gain nothing from it. What I'm rapidly becoming very concerned about is whether they've already staked a significant part of their future plans on NFT promotion, because with Tafi it's increasingly obvious that this wasn't an ill-informed one-off bandwagon jump. They have a crypto hype thing going on, which alarms me because 1) every crypto hype person I've encountered made it their entire personality, and 2) believing you're on top of the game and spinning failures into psychological gold is the defining feature of that. Some people into this stuff have blue sky syndrome even when it ruins them, and there's a whole system there to insist they'll be vindicated in the end.

    Term "Successful Exit" comes to mind...

    Somehow in spite of everything I didn't have "worrying that the leadership behind the software I make Batman fanart in might view the company as raw materials for their pet capitalist utopia projects" on my disaster dartboard. Maybe I'm just gun shy from having worked for a company that almost went under in the past five years for similar reasons. (Advice from a nobody: unless you're already wildly successful and stable, you should probably not be aiming all your efforts at the metaverse. Or gambling everything on an uncertain outcome, period.)

    Yeah... I did loose my company (and everything I had) ten years ago because someones bubble burst and the ripple effects ceased the investments I was making my living out of with my employees for years to come... My english is lacking in finding the words to describe how much I despise those who are using companies and other peoples hard earned money just as stepping stones in pursuing their own private benefit

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