DS 4.14 - a total no sale for me...

DS 4.14 - a total no sale for me...

I am a  hobbyist with limited time... so now I have to re - learn how to set up a scene among many other things.  Frankly I don't care if 4.14 is a fabulous upgrade, it just made my life more difficult and less fun...

At least I won't need to spend a lot of money on an nvidia gpu when I upgrade my pc...

Probably no one cares anyway, but I just had to vent.

Bye all, been fun while it lasted.

Comments

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165

    you donlt have to use fliament. and can continue with iray,. not one has said i was either or . Daz still offers 3delight or renderman as well no one says you have to use it

  • LorraineLorraine Posts: 963

    Not sure what the problem is, 4.14 hasn't affected how I use Studio, I'm still a 3dl user and nothing has changed. I am interested in how filament might be useful on my desktop, it's not available on my laptop (integrated graphics with only OpenGL4.0), as not having to do a render to see where shadows lie would speed up my workflow. If you continued to use either 3dl or iray life would shuffle on as though filament were a figment of your imagination.

  • duckbombduckbomb Posts: 585
    thrain9 said:

    DS 4.14 - a total no sale for me...

    I am a  hobbyist with limited time... so now I have to re - learn how to set up a scene among many other things.  Frankly I don't care if 4.14 is a fabulous upgrade, it just made my life more difficult and less fun...

    At least I won't need to spend a lot of money on an nvidia gpu when I upgrade my pc...

    Probably no one cares anyway, but I just had to vent.

    Bye all, been fun while it lasted.

    Ok.

    I dunno, I think adding new features and expanding the platform capabilities was a step in a positive direction, at least to me. 

    To each their own.

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    thrain9 said:

    DS 4.14 - a total no sale for me...

    I am a  hobbyist with limited time... so now I have to re - learn how to set up a scene among many other things.  Frankly I don't care if 4.14 is a fabulous upgrade, it just made my life more difficult and less fun...

    At least I won't need to spend a lot of money on an nvidia gpu when I upgrade my pc...

    Probably no one cares anyway, but I just had to vent.

    Bye all, been fun while it lasted.

    Wut? Like literally nothing has changed. Just keep using Iray or 3DL like you've always done in the past. 

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited November 2020

    Why does everyone think that just because Daz added Filament that the whole program is completely different??! You can have the EXACT SAME INTERFACE that you've always used, right down to the open gl preview if you want. Nothing has changed EXCEPT for the addition of Filament, which you can use - OR NOT.

    Laurie

    Post edited by AllenArt on
  • jd641jd641 Posts: 462
    AllenArt said:

    Why does everyone think that just because Daz added Filament that the whole program is completely different??! You can have the EXACT SAME INTERFACE that you've always used, right down to the open gl preview if you want. Nothing has changed EXCEPT for the addition of Filament, which you can use - OR NOT.

    Laurie

    You don't even have to update to 4.14. I'm staying on 4.12 for now since the 445.98 nvidia drivers are working perfectly for my 1070/970 and unless a script needs the latest version, I'll be sticking with this until then.

  • ChadCryptoChadCrypto Posts: 596
    edited November 2020

    Dude, Daz Studio is Free. How can you say it's a no sale? LOL!  

    Don't leave ,  i agree with the others. Nothing has changed that much. 

    Just gives more options and brings more people to use the software. 

     

     

    Post edited by ChadCrypto on
  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 12,027
    edited November 2020
    AllenArt said:

    Why does everyone think that just because Daz added Filament that the whole program is completely different??! You can have the EXACT SAME INTERFACE that you've always used, right down to the open gl preview if you want. Nothing has changed EXCEPT for the addition of Filament, which you can use - OR NOT.

    Laurie

    I'm starting to think there must have been a thread on another forum spreading some misinformation about the newest Daz Studio release. I can't explain, otherwise, why people are coming out of the woodwork falsely claiming things like the program being really different. I'm going to put on a tinfoil hat for a second and wonder if it has anything to do with Poser getting a new version recently as well. lol *Removes tinfoil hat.*

    Post edited by 3Diva on
  • 3Diva said:
    AllenArt said:

    Why does everyone think that just because Daz added Filament that the whole program is completely different??! You can have the EXACT SAME INTERFACE that you've always used, right down to the open gl preview if you want. Nothing has changed EXCEPT for the addition of Filament, which you can use - OR NOT.

    Laurie

    I'm starting to think there must have been a thread on another forum spreading some misinformation about the newest Daz Studio release. I can't explain, otherwise, why people are coming out of the woodwork falsely claiming things like the program being really different. I'm going to put on a tinfoil hat for a second and wonder if it has anything to do with Poser getting a new version recently as well. lol *Removes tinfoil hat.*

    I keep seeing the same forum users coming into these threads, I am doing an animated Filament render on my older PC without a graphics card while I wait for them to arrive heredevil

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    3Diva said:
    AllenArt said:

    Why does everyone think that just because Daz added Filament that the whole program is completely different??! You can have the EXACT SAME INTERFACE that you've always used, right down to the open gl preview if you want. Nothing has changed EXCEPT for the addition of Filament, which you can use - OR NOT.

    Laurie

    I'm starting to think there must have been a thread on another forum spreading some misinformation about the newest Daz Studio release. I can't explain, otherwise, why people are coming out of the woodwork falsely claiming things like the program being really different. I'm going to put on a tinfoil hat for a second and wonder if it has anything to do with Poser getting a new version recently as well. lol *Removes tinfoil hat.*

    LOL.

    If someone takes 5 minutes and sets up a default scene, they'd never even know that Filament had been added except for the Tonemapping and Environment options now in the scene tab. And even those you still use the same as always (same settings). Other than that...

    Laurie

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I don't use filament or animaton and I'm still doing studio just like usual. I haven't noticed the sky has fallen yet.

  • The only change I can see in the layout itself is adding filament as an option, and moving the environment and tone mapping out of render and into it's own tab where you get your assets. Sure, if you haven't upgraded your nvidia driver yet iray probably won't work, but update it and you're good to go. 

  • MelissaGTMelissaGT Posts: 2,611
    edited November 2020

    The only change I can see in the layout itself is adding filament as an option, and moving the environment and tone mapping out of render and into it's own tab where you get your assets. Sure, if you haven't upgraded your nvidia driver yet iray probably won't work, but update it and you're good to go. 

    I'm using an NVIDIA driver from July and 4.14 Iray works fine. 

    Post edited by MelissaGT on
  • The only change I can see in the layout itself is adding filament as an option, and moving the environment and tone mapping out of render and into it's own tab where you get your assets. Sure, if you haven't upgraded your nvidia driver yet iray probably won't work, but update it and you're good to go. 

    I'm using an NVIDIA driver from July and 4.14 Iray works fine. 

    Do you know what specific driver version that is you're using? I'm holding off updating my driver because it causes issues with other things, and because of that I was holding off on upgrading DS.

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,640
    thrain9 said:

    DS 4.14 - a total no sale for me...

    I am a  hobbyist with limited time... so now I have to re - learn how to set up a scene among many other things.  Frankly I don't care if 4.14 is a fabulous upgrade, it just made my life more difficult and less fun...

    At least I won't need to spend a lot of money on an nvidia gpu when I upgrade my pc...

    Probably no one cares anyway, but I just had to vent.

    Bye all, been fun while it lasted.

    It might shock you, but up until about 3 years ago I was running DS 2.3! I'm currently running DS 4.9.

    You don't HAVE to upgrade if you don't want to. In fact, for any pros out there (I know you said you're a hobbyist) I don't recommend you update until Daz works the bugs out!

    I may upgrade to DS 4.12 to take advantage of dForce (I own a ton of dForce clothes).

    So just enjoy the software for what it is. I would suggest after 5 or 6 months (time for a revision or 2) to download a copy of DS 4.14 in case you need it in future.

    Remember, it's FREE, so relax & enjoy.
  • try the beta

  • PaintboxPaintbox Posts: 1,633

    try the beta

    That's what I am doing. I run BOTH 4.14 beta and 4.12 latest.

    All my scenes seem to work fine, so I feel confident I could switch if I want to right now. But I can enjoy both till I am ready. 

     

  • HylasHylas Posts: 5,284

    OH NO, something has chaaaaaaanged! Mind you, not a change that impacts me in any meaningful way, positive or negative... but none the less, it's chaaaaange! Therefore it's baaaaaaaaaad! Baaaaaaaaaaaad, I tells you!

  • ...for some users maybe it has nothing to do with newest driver but rather with the GPU architecture, because the minimum requirements for 4.14 has changed. If you still work with a Keppler GPU eg. 700 Series GTX 760 like me IRAY won't work in DS 4.14, irrespective of the driver you use.

    I have both DS 4.12 and 4.14 and whereas DS 4.12 works with GTX 760 I have to use a GTX 1070 TI for DS 4.14. I know these GPU's are old but gold :-)

     

  • well there is the Mac users with Big Sur crying

    they have good reasons to wail

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314

    well there is the Mac users with Big Sur crying

    they have good reasons to wail

    We're all mostly grown-ups here.  Users with niche hardware need to accept that there will be inconveniences that accompany their choices.  As for the OP: they'll be back.

  • Sevrin said:

    well there is the Mac users with Big Sur crying

    they have good reasons to wail

    We're all mostly grown-ups here.  Users with niche hardware need to accept that there will be inconveniences that accompany their choices.  As for the OP: they'll be back.

    Yea I'm still waiting on the Amiga port :(

  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 9,293
    Sevrin said:

    well there is the Mac users with Big Sur crying

    they have good reasons to wail

    We're all mostly grown-ups here.  Users with niche hardware need to accept that there will be inconveniences that accompany their choices.  As for the OP: they'll be back.

    Yea I'm still waiting on the Amiga port :(

    And I thought you were a Commodore 64 user ....

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    thrain9 said:

    DS 4.14 - a total no sale for me...

    I am a  hobbyist with limited time... so now I have to re - learn how to set up a scene among many other things.  Frankly I don't care if 4.14 is a fabulous upgrade, it just made my life more difficult and less fun...

    At least I won't need to spend a lot of money on an nvidia gpu when I upgrade my pc...

    Probably no one cares anyway, but I just had to vent.

    Bye all, been fun while it lasted.

    What are you on about? The latest Daz is so good, I can have my alt preview window set to Iray and it's almost real-time on my 3070. I am finding filament to be pointless though, but my stuff is set for iray, not filament so that's probably why.

  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562
    Kaylakaze said:

     

    thrain9 said:

    DS 4.14 - a total no sale for me...

    I am a  hobbyist with limited time... so now I have to re - learn how to set up a scene among many other things.  Frankly I don't care if 4.14 is a fabulous upgrade, it just made my life more difficult and less fun...

    At least I won't need to spend a lot of money on an nvidia gpu when I upgrade my pc...

    Probably no one cares anyway, but I just had to vent.

    Bye all, been fun while it lasted.

    What are you on about? The latest Daz is so good, I can have my alt preview window set to Iray and it's almost real-time on my 3070. I am finding filament to be pointless though, but my stuff is set for iray, not filament so that's probably why.

    Because you are a higher tier gpu user hence Iray is satisfied, new update is good for rtx gpu and lot of gtx stopped working with Iray with this update. Anyone can confirm, is GeForce GT 730/4GB still working with Iray? As it is a 4GB gpu hence will not render most non optimized scenes but I guess small scenes will work with this gpu.

  • lilweeplilweep Posts: 2,801

     

    thrain9 said:

    DS 4.14 - a total no sale for me...

    I am a  hobbyist with limited time... so now I have to re - learn how to set up a scene among many other things.  Frankly I don't care if 4.14 is a fabulous upgrade, it just made my life more difficult and less fun...

    At least I won't need to spend a lot of money on an nvidia gpu when I upgrade my pc...

    Probably no one cares anyway, but I just had to vent.

    Bye all, been fun while it lasted.

    huh lol

  • Yea I'm still waiting on the Amiga port :(

    The port was going smoothly until the development team tried to support HAM mode. Sadly, they were never quite the same after that...

  • I think the OP meant Poser 12, they didn't like the features of the new Poser 12.

  • 3Diva said:
    AllenArt said:

    Why does everyone think that just because Daz added Filament that the whole program is completely different??! You can have the EXACT SAME INTERFACE that you've always used, right down to the open gl preview if you want. Nothing has changed EXCEPT for the addition of Filament, which you can use - OR NOT.

    Laurie

    I'm starting to think there must have been a thread on another forum spreading some misinformation about the newest Daz Studio release. I can't explain, otherwise, why people are coming out of the woodwork falsely claiming things like the program being really different. I'm going to put on a tinfoil hat for a second and wonder if it has anything to do with Poser getting a new version recently as well. lol *Removes tinfoil hat.*

    I think this must be it. There's been a steady stream of posters doing these sort of flyby posts. 4.14 added a render engine that I found pretty pointless and moved some stuff around in a way I thought was more logical but will take some getting used to.

    Yes, the new iRay version ended support for some reasonably recent cards but those cards had next to no VRAM and with the current version of iRay how was anyone using them anyway?

  • Closing this as it does rather seem to be dog-piling on the OP.

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